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#52 Nov 14 2006 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll make this very plain, so that you can understand. I'm not the kind of person that absentmindedly parrots the opinons of others, and that is why you don't understand my dislike of Bolton. Warm the cockles of your heart with the knowledge that my dislike of him is justfied and informed while I can roll around in the happy mud of my total disregard of your investment in my opinion.


If that's really true Flea, then why not tell me *why* you dislike the man? Can you tell me what he's done in his job (or previously in his career) to make you dislike him to such a degree?

Anything? You keep claiming you're not just parroting what you've heard from others, yet I've yet to see you post a single reason why he's a bad UN ambassador. How can I not just assume you're acting on blind assumption here? You're not giving me any reason to believe otherwise...
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#53 Nov 14 2006 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Have you? More importantly, has Flea? She was the one with the automatic "he's a ninny" position. I was simply trying to get her to assess whether her beliefs about the man are based on fact, or she's just repeating what she's heard others say about him.


No, I'm sure someone who worked in D.C. on issues related directly to the UN knows far less about the man than a telephone repairman in San Diego.

Only makes sense.

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#54 Nov 14 2006 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
How about Bolton stuffing up the reconcilition process in the ME by vetoing the censor of Israel for the slaughter of women and children recently?

On know they have a right to defend themselves I forgot, yep pre-emptive strike if we kill all the Palestinian children viola! no more conflict.

He is a Grade A top quality douche, when your own party had concerns Gbaji aren't you worried???

Edited, Nov 14th 2006 at 6:56pm PST by BBBD
#55 Nov 14 2006 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
Everytime I come into the Asylum and see this thread I automatically think that Flea is referring to Michael Bolton. Either one going to hell would be fine but still.
#56 Nov 14 2006 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Have you? More importantly, has Flea? She was the one with the automatic "he's a ninny" position. I was simply trying to get her to assess whether her beliefs about the man are based on fact, or she's just repeating what she's heard others say about him.


No, I'm sure someone who worked in D.C. on issues related directly to the UN knows far less about the man than a telephone repairman in San Diego.

Only makes sense.


No it doesn't. It's not about qualifications Smash. It's about actually supporting your position on something (or someone as it happens here).

I've listed several very specific events and actions Bolton has been involved in and why I believe he's done a good job. Is it ridiculous to expect that someone insisting that he's a disaster at the UN actually do the same?


I know that *you* are ridiculous all by yourself, but I kinda was hoping for more from Flea. Something to show that her opinions were formed by objective observation/analysis of Bolton rather then just knee-jerk repetition. I don't expect you to understand why that's important of course...
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#57 Nov 14 2006 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I kinda was hoping for more from Flea.
She's in bed but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that her point is that she doesn't really care what you were "hoping for" or whether or not you validate her dislike for the guy.
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#58 Nov 14 2006 at 10:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I know that *you* are ridiculous all by yourself, but I kinda was hoping for more from Flea.


Tsk tsk, personal attacks. Someone's still grumpy about all of the policies he supported being miserable failures repudiated by the American people I guess.

Chin up, sport, you still have an adovacte of further class stratification and over intrusive government interference in your life and the loss of civil liberty in the White House for two more years.

That's something, isn't it, kitten?

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#59 Nov 14 2006 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
Smasharoo wrote:

Have you? More importantly, has Flea? She was the one with the automatic "he's a ninny" position. I was simply trying to get her to assess whether her beliefs about the man are based on fact, or she's just repeating what she's heard others say about him.


No, I'm sure someone who worked in D.C. on issues related directly to the UN knows far less about the man than a telephone repairman in San Diego.

Only makes sense.



I agree the majority of people killed at the Pentagon on 9-11 were telephone repairmen so they would have a reason to become far more interested in world politics afterwards. New York City lost their main cellular transmitters that day also.

As Bolton is the Son of an AFL CIO fire fighter, he's looking at the situations in the world from a different perspective. As a Soldier who has served in the National Guard, another layer is added to his thought process. Granted George Voinovich (R) Ohio disagreed with the appointment where as Steve LaTourette (R) Ohio stood by it. I would like to hear what my elected officials have to say in 2006 as the man has developed his record. Keep in mind that Voinovich was the Commander and Chief of the Ohio National Guard and has continued to mature, as his decisions became more complex then sending troops to the Olympics in Georgia or for training in South America. He's been sending them to other places to help other people.

Steve is not only my representative he's my neighbor and a friend. George is my former Commander and Chief, I respect him for making tough decisions that affect my life and when he tells me to fire up the ambulance I snicker and tell him the engine is already running. I task them with making the tough decisions that affect my life and as I’m posting this I can only assume they have kept me breathing for another day so I’ll saddle up in the morning and see where I’m sent. I’ve got a new Commander in Chief elect who’s a Democrat, he’s promised to keep sending me places to meet interesting people and I’m looking forward to the challenges.
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As a Soldier who has served in the National Guard, another layer is added to his thought process.


Sorry, lost it after reading this sentance. You'd really have to edit the post and delte that line because the uncontrollable laughter doesn't let me get through the rest of what I am sure is a well reasoned argument as to why appointing a longtime partisan hack with nothing vaguely approching a qualified resume as ambassador to the UN makes any kind of sense.

It's quite possible I could swayed by your cunning rhetorical iron clad discussion of how he deserves the post because he threatened elections officials in Florida in 2000, or how is utter lack of experience and complete disregard for the UN as a body for constructive diplomacy make him uniquely qualified for reshaping the position held by Adali Stevenson and Bush Sr. from a valuable post presenting the face of the US to the world into one that could be accomplioshed qith equal facility by a chimpanse wearing a sandwich sign reading "USA Number1!!"

Possible, but probably not overly likely. Either way, he's dead in the water, so let's all have a good cry for the loss of a great moustache. If Geraldo retires, I may have to grow one to uphold the noble history.



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#61 Nov 15 2006 at 2:54 AM Rating: Decent
Smasharoo wrote:

As a Soldier who has served in the National Guard, another layer is added to his thought process.


Sorry, lost it after reading this sentance. You'd really have to edit the post and delte that line because the uncontrollable laughter doesn't let me get through the rest of what I am sure is a well reasoned argument as to why appointing a longtime partisan hack with nothing vaguely approching a qualified resume as ambassador to the UN makes any kind of sense.

It's quite possible I could swayed by your cunning rhetorical iron clad discussion of how he deserves the post because he threatened elections officials in Florida in 2000, or how is utter lack of experience and complete disregard for the UN as a body for constructive diplomacy make him uniquely qualified for reshaping the position held by Adali Stevenson and Bush Sr. from a valuable post presenting the face of the US to the world into one that could be accomplioshed qith equal facility by a chimpanse wearing a sandwich sign reading "USA Number1!!"

Possible, but probably not overly likely. Either way, he's dead in the water, so let's all have a good cry for the loss of a great moustache. If Geraldo retires, I may have to grow one to uphold the noble history.





Oh man what was I thinking, maybe Guard and Reserve have provided the US with Washington, Lincoln, Truman, T Roosevelt, John Kennedy, LBJ, Congressman Audie Murphy, Ronald Reagan, Ed Koch, Tammy Duckworth...
#62 Nov 15 2006 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I kinda was hoping for more from Flea.
She's in bed but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that her point is that she doesn't really care what you were "hoping for" or whether or not you validate her dislike for the guy.
You get me. You...really..*snif*...get me.

Pretty much, gbaji. Unlike my beloved and Smashiepants and the rest, I have christmas ornaments to sew and novelas to watch. I can't waste my time explaining a stance to you when I know for a fact nothing I say will make sense to that mass of cottage cheese you call a brain. I wear your disappointment like a badge of honour.
#63 Dec 04 2006 at 7:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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The news today wrote:
WASHINGTON -- Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his temporary appointment expires within weeks, the White House said Monday.

Bolton's nomination has languished in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for more than a year, blocked by Democrats and several Republicans. Sen. Lincoln Chafee, a moderate Republican who lost in the midterm elections Nov. 7 that swept Democrats to power in both houses of Congress, was adamantly opposed to Bolton.
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President Bush gave Bolton the job temporarily in August 2005, while Congress was in recess. Under that process, the appointment expires when Congress formally adjourns, no later than early January.

The White House resubmitted Bolton's nomination last month. But with Democrats capturing control of the next Congress, his chances of winning confirmation appeared slight. The incoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Democratic Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, said he saw "no point in considering Mr. Bolton's nomination again."

While Bush could not give Bolton another recess appointment, the White House was believed to be exploring other ways of keeping him in the job, perhaps by giving him a title other than ambassador. But Bolton informed the White House he intended to leave when his current appointment expires, White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said.
So long, Walrus-face.
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#64 Dec 04 2006 at 8:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, that's a shame.
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#65 Dec 04 2006 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, that's a shame.


I know I'm all broken up about it.

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#66 Dec 04 2006 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that's a shame.


I know I'm all broken up about it.

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Should we burn a walrus in his honour?

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#67 Dec 04 2006 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
I, personally, prefer to ignore the aspects of our political process which I have little to no influence over. If the only way I can voice my opinion in a matter is by voting for a guy who I HOPE will vote for a guy to vote for some other guys who are voting on a vote to be voted for by some other guys... my enthusiasm wanes. I could throw a boomerang in the DMV and be exponentially more productive.

However, I will submit, for consideration of the more learned pundits here, this:

Bolton is frighteningly WASPy. The man looks his father was a fried cod dinner and his mother was a jar of Mayonnaise. He's so blindingly white that the people of Rhode Island can't even SEE him without wearing sunglasses.

I just don't feel like I can trust somebody like that to represent our fine country at the United Nations. He seems too likely to take the podium and, not realizing the microphone is on, look at one of his buddies and say something like, "What's with all those sand monkeys wearing the funny bathrobes?"

That said, I have no legitimate knowledge of his tenure as ambassador and I can only tremor in fear at the thought of who might replace him. You know who I want to be ambassador?

Bill Cosby.
#68 Dec 04 2006 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Well. Since no one could actually say why they thought Bolton was a bad ambassador, is it too much to ask if anyone has a clue who might replace him and why that choice would be better?

I know. Asking the world here...
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#69 Dec 04 2006 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
I already said Bill Cosby.

If Reagon could be president, Schwarzenegger can be governer... then Cosby can easily be an ambassador. I'd like to know one reason why he couldn't be.
#70 Dec 04 2006 at 10:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd have to see a short list of possible appointees. Obviously Dubya isn't going to pick anyone I'd propose as a first choice.

The problem he faces is that his administration has already chewed up and spat out the careers of so many solid conservatives. Colin Powell would have been a decent choice; that's not going to happen.
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#71 Dec 04 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Because I wouldn't wish that on him. He's had it rough enough, leave the man be.

Edit: Cosby that is.

Edited, Dec 4th 2006 1:04pm by Ranzera
#72 Dec 04 2006 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
That is true. Mister Cosby is beginning to look like a pile of old wallets.

But his immense worldly experience brings more to the table than some recycled think-tank hack.

Wait, let me throw in a few more words that show how politically aware I am. I have been thoroughly inundated by all the proper media outlets, so I my opinions should be taken seriously.

Beltway. Yellow cake uranium. Sectarian violence. Zarqawi. Terror! Centrist. "That's one crazy ***** (said in reference to Hilary Clinton). War on Christmas.
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Well. Since no one could actually say why they thought Bolton was a bad ambassador, is it too much to ask if anyone has a clue who might replace him and why that choice would be better?
Tennessee Tuxedo. He's better dressed and already has Bolton as a sidekick.
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#74 Dec 04 2006 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd have to see a short list of possible appointees. Obviously Dubya isn't going to pick anyone I'd propose as a first choice.


Lol. Considering you're waiting for a short list before putting anything out there, that's kind of a given, isn't it? Doubly so since no one here (and I'll toss you in that list) can name any real reason why Bolton *isn't* good for the job. Which kinda makes me assume that for most people, the criterial pretty much consists of "I don't agree with any choice Bush makes".

Which is fine. Moronic IMO, but that's your right. I was just kinda hoping that someone would actually have the guts to admit that that's how they're forming their opinions on this issue.

Whatever.
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#75 Dec 04 2006 at 4:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll give you some reasons I think Bolton is unqualified for the job: he's intentionally obstreperous; he is not a diplomat in any sense of the word; he has said for the record many times that the UN should not exist, but if it must exist the US should not be part or party to it.

He has no experience or inclination as a statesman, least of all to an entity whose very existence he violently opposes. He lacks the temperament for compromise and delicate negotiation. He is, as Bush chose him to be, a hired gun specifically intended to "lay down the law" to the UN.

What do you think makes him qualified?
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#76 Dec 04 2006 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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Gbaji like most conservatives feels that Bolton would be suitable for the job because he would speak plainly and authoritatively to the UN which happens to be full of darkies. Brown people need to have someone speak to them simply, otherwise they might not 'get it'.
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