Well, someone had to be proud of Saddam's sons, life in prison was far too harsh. Do what your're gonna do, now. Exactly, still on the 4th course too. Are the trooops home yet? Is Iraq done now?
How 'bout ...... now? Same crap as Kennedy-Johnson-Nixon.
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So are you telling me that you foresaw foreign fighters coming into Iraq to fight a war that is not theirs? Because that is what's going on here.
Yes. Absolutely. Most anyone could see that if Sadaam was removed by force, then there would be a huge vacuum left, wich would be filled by factional fighting. Yugoslavia was the most obvious and recent example.
As far as foreign fighters arriving....i think one of the mistakes that the US planners made was not understanding the Islamic world. Moslems believe in Islam first. Their countries second. If you attack muslims, you attack them all. Add into that the general dislike of the great 'Satan in the West', and the oppressive regimes that a lot of these people live under, that they see being supported by the west, then for sure, foreign fighters are gonna show up and have a pop at the invaders.
Foreign fighters, in fact, make up a tiny percentage of the people doing the fighting in Iraq. Its mostdefinately a homegrown insurgency. People dont like being invaded. Would you?
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C'mon. The reason you and those other millions of people who "knew" this was going to be disaster were simply philospohically opposed to war, empirialism, a misguided sense of capitalists preying on oilfields, and some such.
No. NO. NO.
I was against it, because I like the signatories of the Geneva Convention see acts of aggressive warfare as the absolutely worst crime that a country can commit. Don't matter wether its the US or the USSR or Burkino bloody Faso. It solves nothing, and is an admittance of total failure. Of diplomacy, of spirit and of humanity. It solves nothing. and what made it even worse was that it was the USA who was doing it. You are s'posed to be the 'good guys'!
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Had this turned out as planned, you'd still have been ******** about Halliburton and our colonization of Iraq, because at its heart, you just don't like the United States projecting power, regardless of the reason.
I'd never heard of Halliburton before this, just so you know.
Your right there. I dont like the projection of power. Its just bullying by another name, but 'if' it had worked out 'as planned' (whatever that is/was) then I would have been gob-smacked. It would have been the first time in history that a a foreign power had achieved anything in the ME other than death, destruction and ultimately their own humiliation.
Gratz on proving me right. /golf clap
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Ps. Monxdot, Fuck off.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
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Ps. Monxdot, Fuck off.
"I'll... I'll show those guys! I'll come in once a week and type... nonsense! Yeah! That'll restore my pride!"
It's cute that he still thinks about how badly he got owned at least once a week.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Been asking Bushies this question everywhere.
How do you turn a former dictatorship into a freedom loving democracy at the same time you want it to become a destination for terrorists?
You got any ideas Totem?
How do you turn a former dictatorship into a freedom loving democracy at the same time you want it to become a destination for terrorists?
You got any ideas Totem?
Simple, on your last day in office you pardon all the Gitmo detainees and order the Marines to open the gates. This will assure Raul Castro an interesting first year in office, as he has to coordinate with the UN the return flights to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Iran. Keep in mind these “freedom fighter†are now 8 years older and have new ideas for their nations similar to Nelson Mandela being freed in Africa. When they return home and find they have no benefits coming from their own people, they should have a desire to become the solution. Unfortunately, for Al Quada the prisoners at Gitmo have had the opportunity to study the Koran, have been alone in meditation, and are no longer “The Students†and I’d imagine they have some teaching they plan on accomplishing. We are talking 1 year to maximize the situation for a Republican victory in 2008 and utilizing every possible scenario to force the Democrats to have to run for the office.
It isn’t what the Republican Plans are but what compromises the Democrats are going to have to make should they take office in 4 years. I’d imagine they are looking at which Republican has the best shot of correcting the situation and who best to run against them to assure a loss so they don’t have to fix the problem. I noticed as Ms. Pelosi was sitting opposite G. W. she looked like a cat in a rocking chair factory. I’d imagine that Mr. Gates had just given her the briefing on the actual situation in the Middle East and she’s shaking like a dog crapping razor blades. Should she not retire in the next two months I’d be highly surprised because she has to be at stress factor 10. I’d imagine she’s crying herself to sleep as she realizes that it takes oil to manufacture the Kevlar she’s calling for in Personal Armor and Prosthetic Devices and that is going to require manufacturing using current pollution standards, or out sourcing to China. She has her Union supporters telling her that if she costs them jobs she can kiss hers goodbye and that has to be one hell of an awakening.
Everyone is discussing G. W. and his body language as he greeted Ms. Speaker. To me it looked like a protective father feeling sorry for her. She’s had a hell of a burden placed on her narrow shoulders and to give her credit she’s already taken a hard line with China for the good of the nation. Read Jimmy Hoffa Jr. has just scored a victory for Union donations to the Democratic War Chest.
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If you attack muslims, you attack them all. Add into that the general dislike of the great 'Satan in the West', and the oppressive regimes that a lot of these people live under, that they see being supported by the west, then for sure, foreign fighters are gonna show up and have a pop at the invaders.
This guy wins. No more to be said. Go hump your bible and pray to die now.
Uh-huh. And that's why Muslims are so busy slaying each other in baker's dozens these days in Iraq, right? Ooooh, I get it. In a show of solidarity to those who have been killed by US troops and munitions, these gallant stalwarts of Islamic integrity are wiping each other out so that they will have more company in Paradise. How thoughtful of them.
As for the US projecting power, paulsol, name for me another country that you believe could or would do a better job-- and don't give me some Pollyanna-ish wishful thinking about, "Why does anybody has to project power anyways?" because the answer is nature abhors a vacuum, especially in the political atmosphere. I really don't mean to sound insulting, but your idea that somehow if there was an absence of an American presence in the Middle East that things would settle down. Personally, I think we need a second opinion on this. I know! Let's ask Iran what they think! Or Syria. Or China. Or Russia. Or... you get the idea I hope.
For as bad a job as you believe we are doing, I'd love to hear who you believe has the capability to enact solid, peaceful change. Maybe the Amish or Quakers might do, except they are of the Christian variety and they don't have any guns to back those wonderful ideas up, but who knows? Maybe handchurned butter is like Prozac.
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As for the US projecting power, paulsol, name for me another country that you believe could or would do a better job-- and don't give me some Pollyanna-ish wishful thinking about, "Why does anybody has to project power anyways?" because the answer is nature abhors a vacuum, especially in the political atmosphere. I really don't mean to sound insulting, but your idea that somehow if there was an absence of an American presence in the Middle East that things would settle down. Personally, I think we need a second opinion on this. I know! Let's ask Iran what they think! Or Syria. Or China. Or Russia. Or... you get the idea I hope.
For as bad a job as you believe we are doing, I'd love to hear who you believe has the capability to enact solid, peaceful change. Maybe the Amish or Quakers might do, except they are of the Christian variety and they don't have any guns to back those wonderful ideas up, but who knows? Maybe handchurned butter is like Prozac.
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For as bad a job as you believe we are doing, I'd love to hear who you believe has the capability to enact solid, peaceful change. Maybe the Amish or Quakers might do, except they are of the Christian variety and they don't have any guns to back those wonderful ideas up, but who knows? Maybe handchurned butter is like Prozac.
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I'm thinking Richard Nixon and Richard Winters might disagree a tad bit here.
I know, no Richard jokes...
Yeah, while Tricky D1ck was from Quaker stock, I think you'd agree he was, at best, a nominal Quaker.
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see acts of aggressive warfare as the absolutely worst crime that a country can commit.
So as long as a country carries out acts of aggressive warfare through radical religious terrorist groups, they are free from punishment? ****.
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Maybe handchurned butter is like Prozac.
Slathered on fresh, hot biscuits? You bet your ***.
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