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#1 Nov 08 2006 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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I'm still grinning like a cheshire cat about the outcome of the elections, and agree with most of Smash and Flea's lines of thinking. (No surprises there).

I watched Bush's speech and saw some sign of political astuteness that he has to now mollify the house.

So what does this mean for the world outside of the USA of Ame'cuh?

Tony Bliar's now (potentially) even more isolated and standing (very shakily) alone where Iraq's concerned. He might use the anticipated softening of Washington's stance to be less gung-ho and appease his own simmering party members.

It might be the tipping point for his imminent handover to Gordon 'laughing boy' Brown (long odds on that though - still reckon Tony will hold out til June '07)

Will Palestine be given a sense that Israel can no longer do what the fUck it likes without challenge? Enough to contain the Hamas hardliners long enough for meaningful dialogue between Jerusalem and Jericho?

Might it mean some serious support for the range of environmental treaties that USA has undermined by either vetoing or stepping away from?

Could we start seeing other nations backing the US, British and Canadian troops in Afghanistan? I know there are others there, but not in serious numbers. NATO and the UN have been calling for other countries (France & Germany in particular) to ante up and back the campaign seriously.

I know some of those are tenuous, and I suspect as time wears on we'll see the downside of a weakened Oval Office, but the possibilities are intriguing.

You might almost call them 'unknown unknowns' Smiley: sly
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#2 Nov 08 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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The international news blogs I've been reading have all pretty much echoed the sentiment, "Oh! so some Americans HAVE been paying attention. How nice."

I suspect there will be lots and lots of juicy news after the first of the year, as Demo controlled committees start asking awkward questions.
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#3 Nov 08 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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So what does this mean for the world outside of the USA of Ame'cuh?


Who is this Tony Blair guy? En-viro-mental trea-ties? Other Nations? I'm sorry you lost me. Iraq is somewhere near Europe right?







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#4 Nov 08 2006 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Will Palestine be given a sense that Israel can no longer do what the @#%^ it likes without challenge? Enough to contain the Hamas hardliners long enough for meaningful dialogue between Jerusalem and Jericho?


/Raises hand....
Sadly it would appear that it hasn't made a jot of difference to the people of Beit Hanoun



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Tony Bliar's now (potentially) even more isolated and standing (very shakily) alone where Iraq's concerned. He might use the anticipated softening of Washington's stance to be less gung-ho and appease his own simmering party members.


He may make some simpering noises to try to quell his detractors, but I think that judging by this story, it will be business as usual....

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In Geneva today, at the new review of the conventional weapons treaty, the British government will be using the full force of its diplomacy to ensure that civilians continue to be killed, by blocking a ban on the use of cluster bombs. The numbers of cluster bombs deployed are mind-boggling. The US air force released 19m over Cambodia, 70m in Vietnam and 208m in Laos. Over much shorter periods, the US and the UK dropped some 54m cluster bombs on Iraq during the 1991 Gulf war and around 2m during the 2003 Iraq invasion. Israel scattered 4m cluster bombs over Lebanon during its latest invasion earlier this year, almost all of them during the final 72 hours.


As for the rest.....its gonna take a hell of a lot to convince the rest of the world that the US can be trusted again. Its certainly gonna take a lot more than one conciliatory speach, and a resignation.

Edited, Nov 8th 2006 at 6:05pm PST by paulsol
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#5 Nov 08 2006 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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What if the resignation was Bush's?







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#7 Nov 08 2006 at 6:39 PM Rating: Default
Every one join in the i hate bush waggin!President lincoln was hated too but he is now one of the best presidents we ever had.

Edited, Nov 8th 2006 at 7:02pm PST by LordCecil
#8 Nov 08 2006 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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LordCecil wrote:
President lincon


Never heard of him. Smiley: lol
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#9 Nov 08 2006 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
He was the lead singer of that one band I think Tare.
#10 Nov 08 2006 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, I thought that was Clintun.

Hah!
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#11 Nov 08 2006 at 8:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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he is now one of the best presidents we ever had.


Well, strictly speaking, he is now a moldering pile of dust in the rags of a formal suit.
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#12 Nov 08 2006 at 10:08 PM Rating: Default
He died before his time. but is remeber'd for freeing slaves and bunch of other goods things back then he was probley 70%- i dont like our president 30% i like the president. i'm just saying if bush gets shot he's gonna become popular then what you gonna do lol.
#13 Nov 08 2006 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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STFU, idiot.

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#14 Nov 08 2006 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
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And, yeah, I'm speaking for all of us here.

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#15 Nov 08 2006 at 11:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Will Palestine be given a sense that Israel can no longer do what the **** it likes without challenge?


Yes and no. They'll think that regardless, because they're Isreal, but Baker's very likely ascendency influence-wise along with the marginalizing of the Richard Pearle/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Kissenger set will signifigantly weaken they're actual position. Weaken it enough to stop lobbing artilliary shells wherever they feel like it, probably not. Weaken it enough to prevent them from making a pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear program without explicit US backing, probably.

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#16 Nov 09 2006 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
It's hard to know exactly what impact this will have on the rest of the world.

I don't think it will have any impact on Israel's actions, even with regard to a pre-emptive strike on Iran. If they really feel threatened, they'll do it.

As for the UK, well TB is a lame duck anyway. Like Bush, he's worried about his legacy, which means he's going to do fUck all for the rest of his term. It might mean that Brown will try to allie himself with the Dems more, which would be in line with his slightly more leftist stance than Tony, but even he will suck the cOck he's given.

The environment might just be one area where things move forward quicker. Or, rather, where things move backwards more slowly. The Stern report, the measures taken in California, the fact that the Dems tend to be less retarded on this issue, might just make an interntional framework of some sort possible. Eventhough this is a long-term prospect, since those things take so much time. Kyoto is dead and buried, so they'll have to redraft something new. 10 years is optimistic, I think.

It is quite possible that the US will be more open to international cooperation than before. I'm pretty sure most of the Democrats realised that going alone in Iraq was a mistake, and that these actions need the broad support of the "interntional community". Hopefully this will push the new government towards a more internationalist approach, not just on peace and security, but on other issues as well. There is no doubt that Rumsfeld departure and Bush's weakening will make other European nation more willing to do business with the US on the international scene. Whether anything practical and solid will come out of this is doubtful, but it will be a start, and might lay some foundations for future.

One thing that will most likely happen though, except if we get a terrorist attack soon, is that most countries will feel as though a page has been turned. The end of the Bush nightmare is in sight. Maybe, just maybe, things like Guanta (if they close it soon), Iraq (if they leave soon and the country doesnt turn into a bloodbath), Abu, will become relics of the Bush administration, and the US can say "it was them before, now we're different). That, coupled with more sensible and sensitive decisions on the international scene, might just help to ease the strained relationship between the West and the Muslim world.

That's a lot of "ifs", and a lot of maybes.

But, if nothing, most people in Europe seem happy about the rseults of this election. People are letting out a sigh of relief. This morning in the tube, people were wearing bright colours, giving each other hugs, and singing "Imagine all the people... la la la".

Ok, maybe not, but it kinda felt that way.
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#17 Nov 09 2006 at 3:51 AM Rating: Good
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I'm inclined to agree with Red. Israel will do whatever they will keep them from being overrun or destroyed by their Muzzie neighbors. If that requires a little radiation therapy, well... I wouldn't bet against them showing restraint since Iran hasn't tempered their rhetoric about wiping Israel off the face of the earth. What I do think is that it would require a trigger, something that made Israel believe their destruction was nigh. In the meantime, if a target of opportunity was made available, such as making an air sortie to ruin Iran's nuclear capability by conventional munitions, yes, absolutely they'd do it.

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#18 Nov 09 2006 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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On the Latin American front, Chavez is saying that the results of this vote indicate that Americans, do, in fact "have a conscience" and is viewing it as punishment for Bush's policies.

My translation on the fly wrote:
The President of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, affirmed today that the Congressional elections in the United States represent a "beating" to the President of this country, George W. Bush, as documented by Venezuelan news station Unión Radio on its website.

"Last-minute news, this beating that they gave the President of the United States, it looks like it's a beating in the United States", said the leader, who is in open opposition to the Bush government.

In a foreign press conference, Chávez assured that the democratic victory in Congress was "without a doubt a punishing vote", which in his judgement is evidence that "the citizens of the United States have a brain and a conscience". In regards to this, he also pointed out that this is proof that Americans are "without a doubt, against the war in Iraq, against corruption, and against the corruption scandals that have surrounded the United States government, against the abuse of their own country".


Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 7:47am PST by Atomicflea
#19 Nov 09 2006 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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I think a few selected poems are called for.





The Unknown

As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.


—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

Glass Box

You know, it's the old glass box at the—
At the gas station,
Where you're using those little things
Trying to pick up the prize,
And you can't find it.
It's—

And it's all these arms are going down in there,
And so you keep dropping it
And picking it up again and moving it,
But—

Some of you are probably too young to remember those—
Those glass boxes,
But—

But they used to have them
At all the gas stations
When I was a kid.


—Dec. 6, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing

A Confession

Once in a while,
I'm standing here, doing something.
And I think,
"What in the world am I doing here?"
It's a big surprise.

—May 16, 2001, interview with the New York Times

Happenings

You're going to be told lots of things.
You get told things every day that don't happen.

It doesn't seem to bother people, they don't—
It's printed in the press.
The world thinks all these things happen.
They never happened.

Everyone's so eager to get the story
Before in fact the story's there
That the world is constantly being fed
Things that haven't happened.

All I can tell you is,
It hasn't happened.
It's going to happen.


—Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing

The Digital Revolution
Oh my goodness gracious,
What you can buy off the Internet
In terms of overhead photography!

A trained ape can know an awful lot
Of what is going on in this world,
Just by punching on his mouse
For a relatively modest cost!


—June 9, 2001, following European trip

The Situation

Things will not be necessarily continuous.
The fact that they are something other than perfectly continuous
Ought not to be characterized as a pause.
There will be some things that people will see.
There will be some things that people won't see.
And life goes on.


—Oct. 12, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing

Clarity

I think what you'll find,
I think what you'll find is,
Whatever it is we do substantively,
There will be near-perfect clarity
As to what it is.

And it will be known,
And it will be known to the Congress,
And it will be known to you,
Probably before we decide it,
But it will be known.

—Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing
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#20 Nov 09 2006 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:

The Digital Revolution
Oh my goodness gracious,
What you can buy off the Internet
In terms of overhead photography!

A trained ape can know an awful lot
Of what is going on in this world,
Just by punching on his mouse
For a relatively modest cost!


—June 9, 2001, following European trip


Is he implying that Europeans are trained apes? That's what I'm getting... But then again, great poets are always mysterious, and their metaphors tortuous, and their allegories pernicious.

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#21 Nov 09 2006 at 8:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kelv, those are hilarious.
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