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Right or wrong, he'd become the percieved "problem".
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
An administration that considers 50.7% a mandate would have no problem keeping ol' Rummy around, public perception notwithstanding.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I don't know if it's so much about Bush trying to build a "legacy". I think he's more looking to 08 at this point. With the Dems in power in Congress, they can't endlessly point the finger at everything that goes wrong and blame Republicans. Well. They can, but it wont get them more votes down the line.
Right, they have to wait untill they have the whitehouse, too, controll all branches of government, then have disasterous failures and blame them on Bush.
I mean that's the model right?
Tell me again how independent voters were effected by Kerry and how huge it was.
Huge!
Echo! Echo! Echo!
Right, they have to wait untill they have the whitehouse, too, controll all branches of government, then have disasterous failures and blame them on Bush.
I mean that's the model right?
Tell me again how independent voters were effected by Kerry and how huge it was.
Huge!
Echo! Echo! Echo!
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MR. McCLELLAN: ...I think some in the media have chosen to use the word "imminent."
Q The President himself never used that word?
MR. McCLELLAN: Those were not words we used. ...
Q The President himself never used that word?
MR. McCLELLAN: Those were not words we used. ...
They must have known it would be too painful to watch Prez try and say "imminent". Unfortunately they couldn't find any other words for "nuclear".
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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Par for the course. Midterm elections and the beginning of second terms are always prime times for replacements and firings. Think about the Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, as an example. Or George Stephanopoulouslouslouslouslous at the beginning of Clinton's second term. He quit/got fired/was replaced (take your pick) even though he was golden in that administration.
Rumsfeld, on the other hand, served his purpose as a lightning rod and now has been offered up as the sacrificial lamb. His blood is being spilt to placate the American people and to show a willingness to the opposition party that he, Bush, is serious about bipartisanship. Every administration needs a lightning rod.
When the military leadership expresses no confidence in their boss, I'd expect any president to flush the SecDef. No surprise there at all.
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Par for the course. Midterm elections and the beginning of second terms are always prime times for replacements and firings. Think about the Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, as an example. Or George Stephanopoulouslouslouslouslous at the beginning of Clinton's second term. He quit/got fired/was replaced (take your pick) even though he was golden in that administration.
Rumsfeld, on the other hand, served his purpose as a lightning rod and now has been offered up as the sacrificial lamb. His blood is being spilt to placate the American people and to show a willingness to the opposition party that he, Bush, is serious about bipartisanship. Every administration needs a lightning rod.
When the military leadership expresses no confidence in their boss, I'd expect any president to flush the SecDef. No surprise there at all.
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On further examination of this thread I see most of you have expressed surprise at Rumsfeld's resignation. Please tell me you guys are a little more politically savvy than this. Please. And do you really expect to see to see him indicted for anything?
If you do, please refer to my other thread where I ask the question of what do the Democrats do now? Prosecuting, persecuting, or any kind of rearward fixation is precisely the kind of myopia that will doom your party to the scorn of the American people. The overwhelming message of this election is to get moving, not belabor the mistakes of the past.
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If you do, please refer to my other thread where I ask the question of what do the Democrats do now? Prosecuting, persecuting, or any kind of rearward fixation is precisely the kind of myopia that will doom your party to the scorn of the American people. The overwhelming message of this election is to get moving, not belabor the mistakes of the past.
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I don't think it's surprise as much as glee.
Rummy received the official kiss of death on Friday, when Bush vigorously affirmed that Rumsfeld would be on his team until the end of his, Dubya's, term. As we learned from Powell, Brown ("you're doin' a heck of a job, Brownie!"), et. al, a statement of support from Dubya in a time of even mild crisis is the mark of doom.
Cause that's how he roll, dawg.
Rummy received the official kiss of death on Friday, when Bush vigorously affirmed that Rumsfeld would be on his team until the end of his, Dubya's, term. As we learned from Powell, Brown ("you're doin' a heck of a job, Brownie!"), et. al, a statement of support from Dubya in a time of even mild crisis is the mark of doom.
Cause that's how he roll, dawg.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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Rummy received the official kiss of death on Friday, when Bush vigorously affirmed that Rumsfeld would be on his team until the end of his, Dubya's, term. As we learned from Powell, Brown ("you're doin' a heck of a job, Brownie!"), et. al, a statement of support from Dubya in a time of even mild crisis is the mark of doom.
Doesn't bode well for King Maliki of Iraq if thats the case then. (and I tend to think that it is)
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And that's what I told the Prime Minister. He comes wondering whether or not we're committed. He hears all kinds of stories here in the United States. And I assured him that this government stands with the Iraqi people.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
No suprise, just suprised they dumped him this fast. Thought it would be at least a week or two before they did it.
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I know this is not in the context of that statement, Smash, but it's true. Kerry submarined his plans for a 2008 run at the presidency with his gaffe. Independents, Democrats, ketchup lovers-- pretty much everyone who otherwise might consider him for another nomination views him as radioactive now. The only ones who would wholeheartedly support him announcing his candidacy would be his opposition, and then only because he'd be easy prey compared to Osama, err, Obama and Hillary.
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I know this is not in the context of that statement, Smash, but it's true. Kerry submarined his plans for a 2008 run at the presidency with his gaffe. Independents, Democrats, ketchup lovers-- pretty much everyone who otherwise might consider him for another nomination views him as radioactive now. The only ones who would wholeheartedly support him announcing his candidacy would be his opposition, and then only because he'd be easy prey compared to Osama, err, Obama and Hillary.
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Well, I guess in the end at least this means that NASA will get funding again. thats a plus. We're probably doomed though now. I'm talking Clinton-Gingrich government shutdown era doomed. Should be Interesting Times ahead.
But yeah, rumsfield was an ***. he killed the Crusader artilliary program!
But yeah, rumsfield was an ***. he killed the Crusader artilliary program!
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Hah, can you see that system being deployed to the Middle East?!? The Muzzies would all strap bombs on to themselves to keep something named the Crusader from firing what conspiracy theorists would undoubtedly believe were holy water anointed RAP rounds. Lol.
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I know this is not in the context of that statement, Smash, but it's true. Kerry submarined his plans for a 2008 run at the presidency with his gaffe.
He had no shot at the nomination. None. Zero. Nada. He basically saved his wife some money. ******* Mark Warner had to ruin everything for my 08 plans, now I'll have to decide between someone like Biden, who just *cannot* raise money, Hillary who can't win because she can't carry anything south of Virginia having a ******, Obama who can't win the south because he's not only a negro, but an upity negro from Chicago, Bill Richardson who's brownish, Even Bye Bye who's charismaless and pronably some nutcase to the left of me who will end up getting all the good primary soundbites.
Say, if Bill and Hillary swap genders, he can run again right?
right??
Seriously though, Edwards may have the ground game this year and looks a little older than 11 now, so there might be hope yet.
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Yeah, he likely didn't have much a chance at winning the nomination, but it certainly didn't stop him from making all the right sounds and going through the motions of pre-campaigning to give it a try. If nothing else, it clears the board a bit more for the rest of them who'll want to give it a go.
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Smasharoo wrote:
He had no shot at the nomination. None. Zero. Nada. He basically saved his wife some money. @#%^ing Mark Warner had to ruin everything for my 08 plans, now I'll have to decide between someone like Biden, who just *cannot* raise money, Hillary who can't win because she can't carry anything south of Virginia having a ******, Obama who can't win the south because he's not only a negro, but an upity negro from Chicago, Bill Richardson who's brownish, Even Bye Bye who's charismaless and pronably some nutcase to the left of me who will end up getting all the good primary soundbites.
Say, if Bill and Hillary swap genders, he can run again right?
right??
Seriously though, Edwards may have the ground game this year and looks a little older than 11 now, so there might be hope yet.
Evidently, also Tom Vilsack.
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Evidently, also Tom Vilsack.
Evidently, also Tom Vilsack.
Thumb with eyes.
Nope, that's it. I'm on the "Edwards and his jolly fat wife" bandwagon!
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He had no shot at the nomination. None. Zero. Nada. He basically saved his wife some money. @#%^ing Mark Warner had to ruin everything for my 08 plans, now I'll have to decide between someone like Biden, who just *cannot* raise money, Hillary who can't win because she can't carry anything south of Virginia having a ******, Obama who can't win the south because he's not only a negro, but an upity negro from Chicago, Bill Richardson who's brownish, Even Bye Bye who's charismaless and pronably some nutcase to the left of me who will end up getting all the good primary soundbites.
Say, if Bill and Hillary swap genders, he can run again right?
right??
Seriously though, Edwards may have the ground game this year and looks a little older than 11 now, so there might be hope yet.
Say, if Bill and Hillary swap genders, he can run again right?
right??
Seriously though, Edwards may have the ground game this year and looks a little older than 11 now, so there might be hope yet.
While I like Edwards, I'm still not sure he has a viable shot for the presidency. I think he still could be a good choice as a vice presidential candidate to fill the southerner need. However, there might be some stigma having been attached to Kerry.
Sadly, I have to agree with Smash's assessment on Obama. While he is very charismatic and has great potential, I think he doesn't have enough experience yet in public office. It wouldn't hurt him to run now, though, to get some experience to the grind that is presidential campaigning and maybe even latch onto a ticket as a possible VP choice.
Neither do I think Hillary could beat John McCain (if he runs, which looks highly likely). Hillary, while having the bucks behind her to run a tough campaign, is still too much of a polarizing choice.
My money is on Al Gore - if he decides to run. He's more than capable of funding another run, now that he's making big bucks for being on Apple's Board of Directors and is also an adviser at Google. He's got a substantial grassroots effort wanting him to run for president as well. He was vice president during a time of peace and strong economy. He's experienced. His run against Bush in 2000 was obviously quite close. Some political strategist on Hardball yesterday was saying Gore would have an excellent chance, but that he should hold off jumping into the race too soon.
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My money is on Al Gore - if he decides to run. He's more than capable of funding another run, now that he's making big bucks for being on Apple's Board of Directors and is also an adviser at Google. He's got a substantial grassroots effort wanting him to run for president as well. He was vice president during a time of peace and strong economy. He's experienced. His run against Bush in 2000 was obviously quite close. Some political strategist on Hardball yesterday was saying Gore would have an excellent chance, but that he should hold off jumping into the race too soon.[/b]
He'd lose in a crushing landslide to McCain.
Not that he'd have any chance in hell of making it through the primaires.
My money is on Al Gore - if he decides to run. He's more than capable of funding another run, now that he's making big bucks for being on Apple's Board of Directors and is also an adviser at Google. He's got a substantial grassroots effort wanting him to run for president as well. He was vice president during a time of peace and strong economy. He's experienced. His run against Bush in 2000 was obviously quite close. Some political strategist on Hardball yesterday was saying Gore would have an excellent chance, but that he should hold off jumping into the race too soon.[/b]
He'd lose in a crushing landslide to McCain.
Not that he'd have any chance in hell of making it through the primaires.
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He'd lose in a crushing landslide to McCain.
Not that he'd have any chance in hell of making it through the primaires.
Not that he'd have any chance in hell of making it through the primaires.
Why do you think that would be the case?
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McCain holds the middle and is appealing to the independents and moderate Democrats. Republicans would vote for him in droves just to retain the Oval Office, while Algore retains the stink of failure. What stink of failure you might ask? That noxious odor that continues to cling to him from going to the Supreme Court to turn the election in his favor and the malodorous funk of corruption from his time in Veep campaigning for $ and skirting the legal line of propiety.
That and Algore is morbidly obese. The pundants and comedians would have a field day with his bloated a$$.
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That and Algore is morbidly obese. The pundants and comedians would have a field day with his bloated a$$.
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Here's a question for you guys: If Rumsfeld was so ineffective, then why is Al Qaida so happy he's gone? Moreover, if they are winning as they claim they are due to their combat prowess and Bush's incompetance, then why are they so pleased the Democrats have taken over congress?
Al Qaida claims to hvae 12k fighters in Iraq
"On the audio tape made available on militant Web sites, the al-Qaida in Iraq leader also welcomed the Republican electoral defeat that led to the departure of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld." If they are so effective against a Rumsfeld-led American Army, then why be glad that is changing?
"Al-Muhajir, also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, also urged the U.S. to stay in Iraq so his group would have more opportunities to kill American troops. 'We haven’t had enough of your blood yet,' he told the U.S." Again, why welcome the change in parties in Washington if it leads to US troops leaving sooner then?
"Describing President Bush as 'the most stupid president' in U.S. history, al-Masri reached out to the Muslim world and said his group was winning the war in Iraq faster than expected due to U.S. policies." Not to belabor the point, but if they are so effective against this administration, then why encourage a policy change which would negate those gains? Unless they expect US policy to be even more ineffective now that Democrats are in control of Congress...
Challenging the Bush administration, he said: 'I tell the lame duck do not rush to escape as did your defense minister ... stay on the battleground.'"
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Al Qaida claims to hvae 12k fighters in Iraq
"On the audio tape made available on militant Web sites, the al-Qaida in Iraq leader also welcomed the Republican electoral defeat that led to the departure of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld." If they are so effective against a Rumsfeld-led American Army, then why be glad that is changing?
"Al-Muhajir, also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, also urged the U.S. to stay in Iraq so his group would have more opportunities to kill American troops. 'We haven’t had enough of your blood yet,' he told the U.S." Again, why welcome the change in parties in Washington if it leads to US troops leaving sooner then?
"Describing President Bush as 'the most stupid president' in U.S. history, al-Masri reached out to the Muslim world and said his group was winning the war in Iraq faster than expected due to U.S. policies." Not to belabor the point, but if they are so effective against this administration, then why encourage a policy change which would negate those gains? Unless they expect US policy to be even more ineffective now that Democrats are in control of Congress...
Challenging the Bush administration, he said: 'I tell the lame duck do not rush to escape as did your defense minister ... stay on the battleground.'"
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Even the NYT is so exuberant that they too coould care less whether his 'resignation' was forthcoming or "asked". Propaganda > History. Factoid < Fact.
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