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#27 Nov 07 2006 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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I do not think they have pictures next to our names. His name could be either male or female.
#28 Nov 07 2006 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Voted this morning. I was surprised to see a whole bunch of police around and yet when I got in to vote, no checking of id or anything. I could have easily said I was my neighbor and voted on their behalf, then come back later.


well at least at both polling stations they required a photo ID. i saw zero police.
#29 Nov 07 2006 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Already voted. I have my little "I voted" flag sticker on my sweater.

Print some of those up on my computer and hang around outside the polling place slapping them on the sweaters of hotties with nice racks, that guy has a great idea.
#30 Nov 07 2006 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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I just got a kick out of the fact half the police force for our town was stationed around in the school where we vote, but just twiddling their thumbs doing absolutely nothing.


Thats your tax dollars paying off-duty officers overtime to maintain order at the voting booths.
#31 Nov 07 2006 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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I don't have to show any ID wehn I go vote. I just walk in a a do it and leave.


I called the BoE and asked them waht's to stop me from going to every voting place in the state and voting. She said: " I dunno , sir ".


that's greatSmiley: lol
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#32 Nov 07 2006 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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I called the BoE and asked them waht's to stop me from going to every voting place in the state and voting. She said: " I dunno , sir ".
They should at least check your name against the list of registered voters for that precinct. I didn't have to show a photo ID and I'm not sure if they would have asked for my voter's reg. card had I not had it in hand. But they did at least make sure that the name I was giving was registered in that precinct.

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 11:20am PST by Jophiel
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#33 Nov 07 2006 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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but whats to stop you from saying you are your neighbor if you know their address and surname? Thats what stood out in my mind
#34 Nov 07 2006 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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I voted, now I just hope that no one tried to hack into the touch screen machine I used. I just don't trust Diebold to make sure my vote is counted correctly.

In my family, we joke that if I don't get out and vote each and every election, my mom will come back to haunt me. I'm happy to say that for once I had younger voters waiting behind me as I casted my ballot. Normally it's just old retirees.

Now to see how the last minute ads did in getting out the vote. It had been a sure thing for the Dems 2 weeks ago, but we all know that the Republicans had more sepecial interest money to spend. I wonder if the Diebold CEO promised any states to Bush this year.

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#35 Nov 07 2006 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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For some reason when I tried to vote I was just shown the door amid grumbles about 'redcoats' and 'Tea Tax'

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FFS Go out and vote. Pubbie, Dem, Indypendunt, whatever. just Vote!
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#36 Nov 07 2006 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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but whats to stop you from saying you are your neighbor if you know their address and surname?
Erm... Good breeding? Smiley: grin
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#37 Nov 07 2006 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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but whats to stop you from saying you are your neighbor if you know their address and surname? Thats what stood out in my mind


Nothing.

What's to stop your neighbor from doing that to you? Nothing.

Ever had it happen?

The sky's not falling!! The sky's not falling!!

Your kids won't get hit by lightning if they play in the rain, and no one's going to pretend to be you to vote twice.

Pretend to be a dead person, sure, I mean that's tradition.

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#38 Nov 07 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Im not worried about the sky falling nor would I care overly much if someone voted in my name. Irked? Maybe. Beyond upset? Cmon this is Mass! We all know how its going to turn out anyways.

As for good breeding, sure. But we all know even by a small population here that not everyone has the best of breeding or intentions in mind.

Besides, not that I would do it, but just the thought that if I could made me think for a minute Smiley: wink
#40 Nov 07 2006 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Just got back from the library, hope everyone else here voted as well.
#41 Nov 07 2006 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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but whats to stop you from saying you are your neighbor if you know their address and surname? Thats what stood out in my mind


Nothing.

What's to stop your neighbor from doing that to you? Nothing.

Ever had it happen?

The sky's not falling!! The sky's not falling!!

Your kids won't get hit by lightning if they play in the rain, and no one's going to pretend to be you to vote twice.

Pretend to be a dead person, sure, I mean that's tradition.


Lol. Isn't it interesting that Smash seems to be trying really really hard to convince people that it's not a problem that anyone could vote as anyone else?

Coincidence? I think not!
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#42 Nov 07 2006 at 5:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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By in large, it's probably not. At least not as DSD describes.

If I was going to conduct vote fraud on any large scale, I'd run the very real risk of John Q. Public coming to the polls and being told he already voted in his precinct. Which would likely lead to Mr. Public showing ID and starting an investigation.

I suppose I could vote for my neighbor if he and I were in cahoots and I knew he was staying home but I wouldn't be able to vote for my whole block. There's better ways to try to throw the vote than voting as other legitimately registered voters.
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#43 Nov 07 2006 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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I will say at least one Maryland voter proved it was possible to vote twice this election according to WBAL TV. He used an absentee ballot 10 days ago and then went to the polls today and the e-machines hadn't flag him for voting yet.


In Maryland it doesn't matter if you trust the polling machines or absentee ballots, Diebold machines are used to count your vote either way.
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Polls are closing here and the results are trickling in. I'm a little spastic monkey refreshing the election sites.

So far my favorite result was being told the Democratic House candidate here was leading the Republican candidate -- 9 votes to 3 Smiley: laugh
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#45 Nov 07 2006 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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If I was going to conduct vote fraud on any large scale, I'd run the very real risk of John Q. Public coming to the polls and being told he already voted in his precinct. Which would likely lead to Mr. Public showing ID and starting an investigation.


Where exactly will that lead though? If the person who voted earlier did not provide any ID and he wasn't photographed (considered intimidation and not allowed), then you really don't have anything to go on other then a mistake. You can hopefully allow the actual guy to show ID and vote, but you can't actually unvote the bogus guy. We don't attach voters to ballots, so this is impossible.

In other words, you have absolutely nothing to lose by attempting this type of voter fraud. Find people who live in the area but who aren't registered to vote. Register them yourself and vote for them. A very small percentage of those people might later show up to vote, but that'll be seen as a small anomaly. The much larger number of people who don't vote and therefore will never discover that someone is voting for them will simply never be detected by any means.

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I suppose I could vote for my neighbor if he and I were in cahoots and I knew he was staying home but I wouldn't be able to vote for my whole block. There's better ways to try to throw the vote than voting as other legitimately registered voters.


Again. You're assuming that you vote for registered voters. That's the wrong way to do it. Find people living in the area who are *not* registered voters. Register them with a bogus address. The majority of states don't check the addresses, nor keep their registration lists up to date anyhow (I'm not even going to bother pointing out which party overwhelming opposes any sort of tracking or checking on this though!). Once you have those names on the list, they'll appear on the lists in the precinct houses as well. Then you just have your people show up and sign the names you've registered.


The only time anything unusual will appear is if someone who's not registered to vote when you do this later registers and tries to vote. But that's going to be a very small number in relation to those who'll likely never vote, giving you large numbers of free votes. This process is really only limited to the number of people you can trust to pull off the scam. Obviously, if the same guy tries to vote over and over in the same polling place, it's going to be spotted. So you've got to have a decent sized group of people who spread themselves out across multiple polling places. That's really the biggest restriction on this type of fraud.
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You're assuming that you vote for registered voters.
No, DSD did. She asked what was keeping her from walking in today and claiming to be her neighbor (or husband) at the polls. On an individual basis, not too much. On a large scale basis, the scenario she presented isn't much of a threat.

Try and pay attention.
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#47 Nov 07 2006 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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well at least at both polling stations they required a photo ID. i saw zero police.
You guys do realize, that photo ID is NOT a requirement for voting, right?

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 6:38pm PST by Yanari
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Depends on the state, I believe. I thought some states had passed ID laws for voting.

Edit: State ID Laws

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 6:43pm PST by Jophiel
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#49 Nov 07 2006 at 6:47 PM Rating: Good
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I stand corrected.

Of course Minnesota is one of five states that allows registration at the polling place. Crazy election rules actually trying to make voting accessable and convenient.

Before you say it, Gbaji, we tend to have relatively problem free elections here.
#50 Nov 07 2006 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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I cant see people going large scale pretending to be others, thus making it actually a huge deal. Like Joph said, there are easier ways to mess with the polls.

What I was originally talking about, that seemed to get off track, was the fact that there were a lot of police force at the voting area in my sleepy little town, but no other types of safety measures, expl ID checking.
#51 Nov 07 2006 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
Well looks like Bob Casey Jr. absolutely beat down Rick Santorum here in Pennsylvania, which is great for the libbies.
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