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Perhaps. And maybe it is cultural. But, given that the entire idea of the action was that Israel would be condemned for firing upon the women, I don't think that the culture there is all that much different on this point.

If it were all college boys, I have no doubts that the Israelis would have used significantly more force. Which, by itself, would make the action less cowardly (and no doubt less effective).

I completely agree. Add suicide-bombings, and you have the worst PR campaign ever.

Having said that, I do think the Palestinains are past the point of caring about PR. They've realised it dosen't make any difference whether people like you and I like them or not.

The real issue is with Israel. They have the power. And the situation they are in today is untenable. And they know it.

Realistically, and from Israel's point of view, there is only one long-term solution: to have a viable, economically propserous, and politically stable Palestinian State.

The only other alternative is ethnic cleansing. But that's it.

The situation today is untenable: The Palestinians are dirt-poor, uneducated, pissed-off, most have been born in refugee camps, and are endoctrinated with hatred towards Israel (See Borat's Chase the Jew race in Kazakhstan). These people do not make good neighbours. At all.

And the other option, Greater Israel, is favoured by asSholes such as Avigdor Lieberman. These kind of people that preach about a Greater Israel are crazy. "Greater Israel" would mean one thing: an apartheid state. It's either that, or then end of Israel as we know it. Since Israel is a democracy, and considering the demographics forces, a Greater Israel would mean that the Arabs are the majority.

I highly doubt any Israeli wants that.

So a viable and stable Palestinian state is the only possible long-term outcome for Israel.

And the mind-boggling thing is that they are going about it in such an aporling and distorted way.


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Edited, Nov 6th 2006 at 10:27am PST by RedPhoenixxxxxx

French keyboards =/

Yes, they are the elected government. While I agree that that should mean that we don't overthrow them, it doesn't mean that we have to react "well" to them. Elected or not, it's still a bunch of guys who refuse to recognize Israel and who continue to wage attacks upon it.

Those who want to live a normal life would be better served by voting differently next cycle. Perhaps someone more moderate is in order.

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Here is where I wonder about their ideas about PR and their "age old convention.


Wehn we go through our everyday lives we are bombarded with worldly images from our TV and newspapers and radios and movies and entertainment. we pretty much have been aware more or less of a global cultural perspective. They probably never had many movies and stories with the same kind of heroes as we had to hold ourselves up to... No smilely faces and no Mister Roger's Neighborhood to make us smile. No Donna Reed and Beaver Cleaver to tell us waht a civilized family should be. No Col. Klink to make us wonder if we could laugh and forgive our foolish enemies... They didn't grow up watching corny police chases and bloodless history class projector smiling soldier war patriot producing gradeschool propaganda.... no civil rights movement.... No racial issue After School Specials telling us that we should be nice to our neighbor with differnet coloured skin who's house smells funny.
No, they didn't have that
They had Guns.

So wehn you say things about Palistinians caring about Public Relations; well who is the public to them? I think that as Westerners that it is our nature to think as the entire world as our immediate public. We pay attention to waht goes on around and we and our peers have had the freedom to question it and speak out about it for mannnny generations. So from the point of view of these Palistinians and others with their same cultural imprints, I would think that the Public relations to them would be only waht their countrymen and family think about them. Their world view is indeed one of the key chasms that lie between our peoples. That's why I still say that it will only take more generations of educated and open-minded children to make things right; and bombing the fúck out of their families and driving tanks and shooting missles into their back yards isn't going to help.

call me liberal

Call me Mr Picky, and I know they don't live in caves (yet) but no, most don't have TV, electricity, hot running water etc etc.

They're still just whiny wimmins though

I agree with Red and Kelvy. The problem is the little industry and agriculture that exist within Palestine is often held up by the Israelis from crossing into Israel proper or Egypt. Food rots and business want a confidence that the goods will reach them on time.

The Palestians were promised freedom when they helped the British defeat the Ottoman Empire and then after WWII when the West felt bad about the Holocaust they decided to give away land that was not theirs to give.

I think most Arabs have lost all hope of the conflict ever ending, especially after the Lebanon invasion.

Perhaps if the world had of tried to work with Hamas in power to moderate them, much like Sein Fenn was allowed to in Ireland, then you would have a stable and economically viable state that you could negiotate with.

You've never actually met a Palestinian person, have you?

I hear there was also Rastas cheering at ground zero shouting "Burn Babylon , Burn" Why just you go murder some people with dreadlocks too?

You've never been happy to hear about misfortune falling on someone you've regarded as an enemy? You must be a saint.

That said, certainly not all Palestinians danced in the streets after 9/11. Only the equivalent of trailer park rednecks would have been more overcome with glee than dread at that point.

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Werd!

whoopsy daisy!!

sorry I killed your family, let's talk about it.