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#1 Nov 03 2006 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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U.S. Web Archive is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer
The New York Times wrote:
Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who had said they hoped to “leverage the Internet” to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.

But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

Last night, the government shut down the Web site after The New York Times asked about complaints from weapons experts and arms-control officials. A spokesman for John Negroponte, the director of national intelligence, said access to the site had been suspended “pending a review to ensure its content is appropriate for public viewing.”
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The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs.

“For the U.S. to toss a match into this flammable area is very irresponsible,” said A. Bryan Siebert, a former director of classification at the federal Department of Energy, which runs the nation’s nuclear arms program. “There’s a lot of things about nuclear weapons that are secret and should remain so.”

The government had received earlier warnings about the contents of the Web site. Last spring, after the site began posting old Iraqi documents about chemical weapons, United Nations arms-control officials in New York won the withdrawal of a report that gave information on how to make tabun and sarin, nerve agents that kill by causing respiratory failure.

The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who said that the nation’s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion. With the public increasingly skeptical about the rationale and conduct of the war, the chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees argued that wide analysis and translation of the documents — most of them in Arabic — would reinvigorate the search for clues that Mr. Hussein had resumed his unconventional arms programs in the years before the invasion. American search teams never found such evidence.
Huh. Conservatives want to "leverage the internet" into supporting the WMD premise for the Iraqi invasion by posting nuclear secrets on the internet for anyone to look at. And this is after they already had to pull reports on how to make chemical weapons.

How's that working out for ya, Axis of Evil? At least we can cut out the Pakistani middle-man now when giving nuclear technology to our enemies!

The important thing to remember here is that the Republicans are the party of national security who will save us from the terrorists and the threat of chemical and nuclear weapons. Smiley: laugh

Edited, Nov 3rd 2006 at 6:37am PST by Jophiel
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#2 Nov 03 2006 at 7:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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The hard part in making a nuclear bomb isn't making the bomb, it's refineing the nuclear matter. A uranium bomb? you make a round slug of refined uranium about the size of a grapefruit, remove a shotgun sized sabot style shell worth of material so it is just under critical mass, then you rig up a trigger that fires that sabot into the main mass. Surround the whole thing with aluminum powder for a more energetic reaction, and you have yourself a nuke. Any country that has enough technology to build an automobile engine and the uranium to refine should be able to build a nuke. Plutonium is a bit more complex. You need to compress the plutonium core, so you make your grapefruit sized plutonium ball, surround it with high explosives and rig up a bunch of detonators and an outer shield so your explosives go off at the same time and are initially directed inwards. Tricky, but again a country with technology should not have any trouble making one. That's why nuclear weapons are scary.
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#3 Nov 03 2006 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The hard part in making a nuclear bomb isn't making the bomb, it's refineing the nuclear matter. A uranium bomb? you make a round slug of refined uranium about the size of a grapefruit, remove a shotgun sized sabot style shell worth of material so it is just under critical mass, then you rig up a trigger that fires that sabot into the main mass. Surround the whole thing with aluminum powder for a more energetic reaction, and you have yourself a nuke. Any country that has enough technology to build an automobile engine and the uranium to refine should be able to build a nuke. Plutonium is a bit more complex. You need to compress the plutonium core, so you make your grapefruit sized plutonium ball, surround it with high explosives and rig up a bunch of detonators and an outer shield so your explosives go off at the same time and are initially directed inwards. Tricky, but again a country with technology should not have any trouble making one. That's why nuclear weapons are scary.



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#4 Nov 03 2006 at 7:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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He's just trying to make the Axis of Evil into a Pentagon of Evil with him at the lower left point.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The hard part in making a nuclear bomb isn't making the bomb, it's refineing the nuclear matter.
While I agree with this on the surface, I think you over-simplify it somewhat as perhaps evidenced by N. Korea's anemic nuclear test. Putting it to Occum's Razor, there wouldn't be much need for...
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The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building [...] [the] papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs.
...if your description sufficed unless Iraq simply had a job-making program for scientific technical writers.

The basics aren't hard to noodle out but the devil is in the details.
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#6 Nov 03 2006 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
Bush and Kerry...Poster children for the mentally handicapped.
#7 Nov 03 2006 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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Bush and Kerry...Poster children for the mentally handicapped.


Really? What other posters do you have?

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The 1970's one of Bush in the swimsuit where you can totally see his nipple.


Edit: Back onto the documents themselves, some more article for you all...
The Tribune wrote:
In Europe, a senior diplomat said atomic experts there had studied the nuclear documents on the military Web site and judged their public release as potentially dangerous. "It's a cookbook," said the diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of his agency's rules. "If you had this, it would short-circuit a lot of things."

The New York Times had examined dozens of the documents and asked a half-dozen nuclear experts to evaluate some of them.

Peter Zimmerman, a physicist and former U.S. government arms scientist now at the war studies department of King's College, London, called the posted material "very sensitive, much of it undoubtedly secret restricted data."

Ray Kidder, a senior nuclear physicist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, said "some things in these documents would be helpful" to nations aspiring to develop nuclear weapons and should have remained secret.

A senior U.S. intelligence official who deals routinely with atomic issues said the documents showed "where the Iraqis failed and how to get around the failures." The documents, he added, could perhaps help Iran or other nations making a serious effort to develop nuclear arms, but probably not terrorists or poorly equipped states. He called the papers "a road map that helps you get from point A to point B, but only if you already have a car."
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Edited, Nov 3rd 2006 at 11:21am PST by Jophiel
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