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#1 Nov 02 2006 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent

One would think that telling people to shape up would be the last reason for it.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/01/jelly.belly.ap/index.html wrote:
WINTER HAVEN, Florida (AP) -- Police Chief Paul Goward was tired of looking around his department and seeing blubber hanging over the belts of some of his officers. So he sent out a memo exhorting the "jelly bellies" to shape up.

In the end, the department lost 190 pounds -- all of them belonging to Goward. He was forced out as chief because some of his officers took offense at the memo.

The October 11 memo bruised feelings on the 80-member force, drew at least one anonymous letter of complaint from officers about the chief's management style and made his department the butt of jokes about fat cops and doughnuts.

"If they got their feelings hurt to the extent of `Do something about it,' then I did what I was intending to do," said an unapologetic Goward, a trim 6-footer who was forced to resign his $92,000-a-year post last week.

Some of the chief's defenders said his ouster was a big overreaction.

"He offered tremendously good advice, yet he was sacked," wrote Thomas Roe Oldt, a columnist for The Ledger of Lakeland.

In his memo, titled "Are You a Jelly Belly," the chief never singled anyone out, and apart from the title, didn't call anyone names.

Instead, he provided a list of 10 reasons police officers should be in shape. He said overweight police poorly represent the profession, **** out when chasing suspects and might have to resort to "a higher level of force" if a criminal got the upper hand in a fight. He said out-of-shape cops are a liability to the city and their families.

"Take a good look at yourself," he wrote. "If you are unfit, do yourself and everyone else a favor. See a professional about a proper diet and a fitness training program, quit smoking, limit alcohol intake and start thinking self-pride, confidence and respectability. And stop making excuses for delaying what you know you should have been doing years ago. We didn't hire you unfit and we don't want you working unfit. Don't mean to offend, this is just straight talk. I owe it to you."

Winter Haven cops must pass physical examinations to be hired but are not regularly tested for fitness thereafter.

Goward, 60, said he is not a fitness freak, was not "asking for a department full of Arnold Schwarzeneggers here" and did not order his officers to stay away from fast-food restaurants or doughnut shops. In fact, the 36-year police veteran, who has also worked in Kansas and South Carolina, said Winter Haven's force is no less fit than the others he has served on.

David Greene, manager of the central Florida city of 30,000, said through a spokeswoman that he was too busy for an interview, but told the local newspapers the anonymous complaint letters made it clear the police department had a morale problem because of Goward's abrasive management style during his 21/2 years there.

"Emotions within the police department and the relationship with the police chief became raw," he told The Ledger.

Winter Haven officers contacted by The Associated Press said they were told not to talk to reporters about Goward's departure.

One of the anonymous complaint letters described the force as "upset to say the least" about the chief and called the "Jelly Belly" memo "the icing on the cake."

"This letter shows the type of harassment and hostile work environment we have. The chief of police is constantly 'bad talking' us in every way possible and we have had enough of his arrogance," the letter read.

Mandy Rohrbaugh, a 40-year-old nursing student and Winter Haven resident, said Goward had the right message, but perhaps could have delivered it differently.

"I think honestly our police force needs a lot of shaping up, and I think they should be fit not just when they're hired but through their time," she said.


You know, if the police force was some sort of corporation or business or something like that, then I could see being upset- but when you're in a civil service position where your good health means saving more lives, acting like this is just plain retarded.
#2 Nov 02 2006 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
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The October 11 memo bruised feelings on the 80-member force


Sgt. Hal Scoggins of the Winter Haven PD, was quoted as saying:

"We've been looking for a way to get rid of that anorexic ******* for years. It's really embarrasing at City functions to have the Chief nibbling on carrot sticks while the rest of us gorge on donuts and brownies. It's just not good for morale."



Edited, Nov 2nd 2006 at 5:47am PST by Gladestrider
#3 Nov 02 2006 at 6:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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I didn't see anything overly offensive about the memo given its target audience. When your level of physical fitness may mean the difference between someone living or dying or between someone being caught or getting away free, being called to task isn't a big deal.

Plus, these are supposed to be cops. They get their feelings hurt from a memo saying "Jelly Belly"? Good lord, they must go home and cry into their Hello Kitty pillows when a teenager calls them "**** pigs" Smiley: rolleyes
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#4 Nov 02 2006 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Who da thunk that the whole police force are bunch of emo kids?
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It's pretty obvious that this was just the excuse they were looking for.
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#6 Nov 02 2006 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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It sounds like this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. If he was being offensive for 21+ years, I can see where they decided "okay, enough". I'm pretty sure that unless he had a work policy that mandates regular fitness checks as part of the fulfillment of your job description, he can't touch upon that subject no matter its relevance. His heart may have been in the right place, but he stupidly put a target on his head.
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I'm pretty sure that unless he had a work policy that mandates regular fitness checks as part of the fulfillment of your job description, he can't touch upon that subject no matter its relevance.


It sort of does. When I was considering becoming a cop, the website mentioned that there are physical requirements to even apply. I could be wrong.
#8 Nov 02 2006 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
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It's a damn police force and they're complaining because the chief told them to get in shape? What is the world coming to?
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Atomicflea wrote:
I'm pretty sure that unless he had a work policy that mandates regular fitness checks as part of the fulfillment of your job description, he can't touch upon that subject no matter its relevance.


It sort of does. When I was considering becoming a cop, the website mentioned that there are physical requirements to even apply. I could be wrong.
The article mentions that there are initial requirements, but no ongoing ones.
#10 Nov 02 2006 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Cousin of mine told me that all cops have to go to some boot camp seminar about three times a year or something along those lines. I'll have to go look that up or just ask him.
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Cousin of mine told me that all cops have to go to some boot camp seminar about three times a year or something along those lines. I'll have to go look that up or just ask him.


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Cousin of mine told me that all cops have to go to some boot camp seminar about three times a year or something along those lines. I'll have to go look that up or just ask him.


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#13 Nov 02 2006 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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A couple of my friends are Sherrif Deputies or CHP officers (apparently if you know one you end up knowing more, the cliquish ******** and they range from the in shape CHiPy to the pudgy Deputy. The 'jelly bellys' get **** from their SOs about staying in shape but it seems their departments don't make them pass any physicals once they are out of the acadamy .
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I think the article says 2 1/2, not 21. Hopefully with all the attention they're all secretly taking him up on his advice.
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#15 Nov 02 2006 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

Cousin of mine told me that all cops have to go to some boot camp seminar about three times a year or something along those lines. I'll have to go look that up or just ask him.


My freind's unle's sister's aunt told me that all toll booth takers have to wear ties, because all the ones she's seen do.



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I'm, hopefully, joining the police in a year or two, after I do my time in the military and all. In preperation I've been going over the requirements needed to get accepted into police academy and I'm amazed how fit you actually have to be to make it. It's obvious why they want fit people though, the chief basically explained it in his memo.

They should do annual fitness tests. Plain and simple. If people don't pass it, they get assigned to desk jobs until they get into shape. Imagine an obese jelly belly of a man trying to chase a runner. He'd have a heart attack before he even got ouf of the car. What happens when a guy like that, exhausted and shivering, is confronted with the suspect? He'll feel outpowered which results in him pulling a gun to keep the upper hand.

And then you have the trouble. A breathless and exhausted man, holding a gun in his hands while the adrenaline is pumping through his body. It's bound to end ugly. Perhaps not the first time, or the second time. But sooner or later he has a muscle spasm in his hand because of hyperventilation, or lack of ventilation, and the gun goes off.
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#18 Nov 02 2006 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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you know, if they would just cut down on their Dunkies run to two per shift
... none of this would have had to happen
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Smasharoo wrote:

Cousin of mine told me that all cops have to go to some boot camp seminar about three times a year or something along those lines. I'll have to go look that up or just ask him.


My freind's unle's sister's aunt told me that all toll booth takers have to wear ties, because all the ones she's seen do.


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Well, him being a Sergent, I'd assume he would know. Smiley: tongue
#20 Nov 02 2006 at 6:39 PM Rating: Default
I thought all cops followed the Chief Wiggum fitness policy???
#23 Nov 03 2006 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
I used to work for the Army COE as a security supervisor for a hydro powerplant. (and before the smart azz comments start, I was a federal law enforcement officer who had to go to the academy and not a rent-a-cop). Several times I had to give chase to a suspect along with the local police department. There is nothing like catching up with your culprit (sp) and realizing the local cop who was running beside you is now gone b/c he wasn't fit enough to stay up with the chase.
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