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Ah. Maybe this is why I never got the concept.
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
but put the emphasis on abstaining being the only 100% effective way to prevent STDs
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
Sex with gay virgins.
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BloodwolfeX wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
but put the emphasis on abstaining being the only 100% effective way to prevent STDs
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
you have an interesting method for arguing.
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
Anyway, not to put words in Flea's mouth, but I think the point was that if Abstinence is practiced perfectly, it's 100% effective and if condom use is practiced perfectly, it's also 100% effective. The failure rate for condom use is around 5%, the failure rate for abstinence is considerably higher.
Thus, condoms are more effective than abstinence in preventing STDs and pregnancy QED.
Sorry :(
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BloodwolfeX wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
but put the emphasis on abstaining being the only 100% effective way to prevent STDs
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
but put the emphasis on abstaining being the only 100% effective way to prevent STDs
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
Don't forget oral, which teens don't believe is sex. Ahh, to be young and stupid.
The STD Bomb wouldn't be a problem if lighting the fuse didn't feel so good.
Knowledge really is the only prevention.
Knowledge really is the only prevention.
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
but put the emphasis on abstaining being the only 100% effective way to prevent STDs
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
Ok so your point was you can abstain from intercourse and still get certain STDs through "petting". I read it as there was something else that would be 100% effective. Point taken. Another reason that they should be getting instruction about STDs.
+1 Atomicflea
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Weebs wrote:
Knowledge really is the only prevention.
As long as you're no too drunk, high, etc. to use the knowledge. I know I have done things drunk that I knew better than to do sober. I am told by my freinds that the only thing that stopped me from marrying a stripper was that I passed out. Only time I have ever passed out and it saved me. Thank you Jägermeister!
Edited, Nov 1st 2006 at 4:00pm PST by BloodwolfeX
MentalFrog wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
but put the emphasis on abstaining being the only 100% effective way to prevent STDs
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
Don't forget oral, which teens don't believe is sex.
Nor Presidents.
And this concludes our monthly Abstinence Thread. Thanks for tuning in, and remember kids.... keep your peepee in your pants.
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Repeal the laws of gravity!
To my knowledge, no-one has ever conceived or contracted a sexually tramsitted infection whilst levitating or floating in zero-G.
It makes perfect sense.
Just like abstinence.
Why won't our politicians support these common-sense answers?
Repeal the laws of gravity!
To my knowledge, no-one has ever conceived or contracted a sexually tramsitted infection whilst levitating or floating in zero-G.
It makes perfect sense.
Just like abstinence.
Why won't our politicians support these common-sense answers?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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Smasharoo wrote:
If we are to assume that abstinence can work, then it's reasonable to assume that the right time to teach it would be when the thing it's trying to prevent (people having sex) is at a high rate. In exactly the way that teaching about driving saftey is most important when traffic accident rates are high. I think that's a reasonable conclusion, right?
No, but it's a good example of another fallacy. Good work.
Which part? The part where I assume that abstinence "can work", or the part where I progress to the assumption that if something designed to prevent something can work, then the reasonable time to do it is when it's a problem (like say when 90% of the people are doing it)?
Because if you're talking about the second, then you'll have to explain to me how that works. I think it's reasonable to assume that the "right time" to teach a preventative methodology is when the thing you're trying to prevent is occuring at a high rate. If you think otherwise, then the question I originally asked still stands: "If not at 90%, then *when* is the right time to teach abstinence?".
If you're talking about the first assumption, then you're really up the creek. His own statement already makes this assumption, otherwise why bother using the qualifying phrase about sex rates being at 90%?
He's trying to say that when sex rates are at 90% it's the "wrong time" to teach abstinence. That statement inherently assumes that there must be another time when it *is* the right time to teach abstinence. I'm simply asking the obvious question. When exactly is that time if *not* at 90%?
Seems like a reasonable question to ask IMO.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Smasharoo wrote:
Please provide an example of something other than not having sex at all that is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy.
Anyway, not to put words in Flea's mouth, but I think the point was that if Abstinence is practiced perfectly, it's 100% effective and if condom use is practiced perfectly, it's also 100% effective. The failure rate for condom use is around 5%, the failure rate for abstinence is considerably higher.
Thus, condoms are more effective than abstinence in preventing STDs and pregnancy QED.
Sorry :(
Except that the failure rate of condoms occurs even if one uses them "perfectly" (ie: every time they have sex).
The "failure rate" of abstinence isn't a failure of the method, but of the person using it.
If abstinence is practiced 100% of the time, it is 100% effective. If condoms are used 100% of the time, they're 95% effective. See the difference?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
He's trying to say that when sex rates are at 90% it's the "wrong time" to teach abstinence. That statement inherently assumes that there must be another time when it *is* the right time to teach abstinence. I'm simply asking the obvious question. When exactly is that time if *not* at 90%?
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The National Center for Health Statistics says well over 90% of adults ages 20-29 have had sexual intercourse.
This isn't rocket science. He's not refering to 90% sexual activity as a sum total of humankind, he's referring to the stats for the 20-29 bracket in question.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Except that the failure rate of condoms occurs even if one uses them "perfectly" (ie: every time they have sex).
Nope.
Don't bother actually having any clue what you're talking about though, it'd just confuse everyone.
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King Nobby wrote:
To my knowledge, no-one has ever conceived or contracted a sexually tramsitted infection whilst levitating or floating in zero-G.
Don't forget about the soviets on Mir. They were doing some awfully wild things up there on double shot vodka saturdays. Evin their soyez capsuls have a certain look about them. Rumor has it they practiced "docking" far more than one would normally consider healthy up there. Thats the reason they had to burn Mir. To kill off the Space STDs
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Promoting sexual abstinence as a method of encouraging sexual responsibility doesn't work any better than telling people to "Just say no to drugs"..
Both ideas are sadly lacking in an understanding of human nature. People 'like taking drugs. Always have done, always will.
People like having sex. Always have, always will. People on drugs also like to have sex.....
As with drugs, STDs and the problems of under-age sex (wether it leaves a mark or not) need to be reduced thru the use of EDUCATION. Telling people "dont have sex/do drugs, its bad for you" is as useless a way to change peoples behaviour as is possible to imagine.
Sadly, there is an increasing influence of conservative (small 'c') political and religious forces around the world undermining any possible progress in sexual and reproductive health. The biggest obstacle to sexual-health promotion in almost all countries comes from opposition from conservative forces to harm-reduction strategies, such as supplying education and contraception to sexually active young people and providing safe, legal abortion services. If a 'young person' wants to have sex, they will. Period.
At least it would be sensible to give them the knowledge to let them make an informed choice as to wether they really want to have sex or not, and if they do, to have access to birth control.
Rather than saying ,'Just don't".
But, no doubt the fine upstanding men and women who purport to be interested in our welfare will keep on flogging the same old message.....
"Just say no"
And people will just keep on doing what they do.....
Both ideas are sadly lacking in an understanding of human nature. People 'like taking drugs. Always have done, always will.
People like having sex. Always have, always will. People on drugs also like to have sex.....
As with drugs, STDs and the problems of under-age sex (wether it leaves a mark or not) need to be reduced thru the use of EDUCATION. Telling people "dont have sex/do drugs, its bad for you" is as useless a way to change peoples behaviour as is possible to imagine.
Sadly, there is an increasing influence of conservative (small 'c') political and religious forces around the world undermining any possible progress in sexual and reproductive health. The biggest obstacle to sexual-health promotion in almost all countries comes from opposition from conservative forces to harm-reduction strategies, such as supplying education and contraception to sexually active young people and providing safe, legal abortion services. If a 'young person' wants to have sex, they will. Period.
At least it would be sensible to give them the knowledge to let them make an informed choice as to wether they really want to have sex or not, and if they do, to have access to birth control.
Rather than saying ,'Just don't".
But, no doubt the fine upstanding men and women who purport to be interested in our welfare will keep on flogging the same old message.....
"Just say no"
And people will just keep on doing what they do.....
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
trickybeck wrote:
Laviont was the name of the poster.
trickybeck wrote:
Laviont was the name of the poster.
THANK you.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I'm a virgin. This abstenence thing is working out great for me!
Elderon the Wise wrote:
I'm a virgin. This abstenence thing is working out great for me!
I understand livng in your parents basement helps a lot.
Samira wrote:
trickybeck wrote:
Laviont was the name of the poster.
I shall gloss over my error by casting aspersions on Tricky. "How come Tricky was so interested in remembering the name of a dude that went bi??"
That should do nicely...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
I'm a virgin. This abstenence thing is working out great for me!
I understand livng in your parents basement helps a lot.
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