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#1 Nov 01 2006 at 9:33 AM Rating: Good
for having a child?

Did you sit down one day with your SO and discuss a strategy? Or was it more along the lines of, you have a job, I have a job, lets do it. Did you find it harder to find a house after the birth of a child (I assume money would be tighter). What sacrifices did you make? Did you somehow come up with a way to make money or borrow more?

I am getting married in May and we still rent. Our APT is a good two hour commute for the Mrs to her job in NYC. Its getting to be a little much for her and we are planning (wanting) to move after the wedding. Is it best to have the kid first then move or dump a fat down-payment down on a house and start a mortgage before the baby.
#2 Nov 01 2006 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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I can't speak from experience, but financially speaking it's always better to own than to rent. It's a good investment, and when you rent you're more or less throwing your money away. Yes, you are paying for a home, but you get nothing except the immediate return. While owning that money for the mortgage is going somewhere other than someone else's pocket.

Not to mention purchasing a house and moving is always a stressful ordeal, doing whilst your lady is pregnant or even after she has the ankle-biter is just adding to the stress.

Short answer, get a home first.
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#3 Nov 01 2006 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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purchasing a house and moving is always a stressful ordeal, doing whilst your lady is pregnant or even after she has the ankle-biter is just adding to the stress


I just moved with a toddler in tow and one in the hopper - I do not recommend it. I think you should buy the house and get settled before you have the baby. Just makes life a lot easier.
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#4 Nov 01 2006 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Move first. There are many reasons.

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#5 Nov 01 2006 at 9:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I would find a home first with the intent of having a child rather than have a child and live cramped while you try to house hunt.

As for money, I was living pretty fat and sassy on my paychecks prior to Joph Jr. I didn't so much "make more money" (although I work a weekend gig I didn't used to) as much as stopped having the surplus which I was accustomed to.
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#6 Nov 01 2006 at 9:50 AM Rating: Default
Move first, buy the house, then have baby. For one buying is always better. For two moving with a baby will be a *****. For three it will let you become accustomed to your new financial obligations before baby comes along and throws it all out of wack. I also suggest waiting a year or two before having a baby after getting married. The first year changes your life drastically, even if you've been living with the person prior to getting married.
#7 Nov 01 2006 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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People plan ahead for children?

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#8 Nov 01 2006 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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#9 Nov 01 2006 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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#10 Nov 01 2006 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Is it best to have the kid first then move or dump a fat down-payment down on a house and start a mortgage before the baby.


That second one for sure.

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#11 Nov 01 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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buy a house first.
#12 Nov 01 2006 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
I figure if you worry about being able to afford children you will never have them. The reasoning is simple. Regardless how much money people make, there is never any left at the end of the day because they tend to live outside their means. If you have a child, that won't change anything except where you prioritize your money. I personally had 2 children before I moved into a purchased house, then I had two more. Really no difference in my opinion.
#13 Nov 01 2006 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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I'll go with buy a house. Hubby and I have lived in military housing for the last 10 years. It's made things very easy and streamlined, but we're crapping now about having to buy a house with him retiring from the military. Too many changes at once = anxiety for me. Hubby retiring from military, relocating, new jobs, buying a house, new schools for the kids, etc.
#14 Nov 01 2006 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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#15 Nov 01 2006 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I figure if you worry about being able to afford children you will never have them. The reasoning is simple. Regardless how much money people make, there is never any left at the end of the day because they tend to live outside their means. If you have a child, that won't change anything except where you prioritize your money. I personally had 2 children before I moved into a purchased house, then I had two more. Really no difference in my opinion.


I had the viewpoint of being able to afford children while my wife echoed Elderon's viewpoint.

We live within our means in a modest house and survive.

If you plan on buying a house you intend to stay in for 5+ years, do not drop a huge chunk of change on it (unless trying to get rid of PMI), save the money for an emergency fund. With half decent insurance we still had to pay almost $2,000 before the baby was born and still paying doctor bills from after the birth. That does not include immunizations, sick visits, check-ups, and ER runs....

#16 Nov 01 2006 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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I was going to say, talk to a friend that has a setup you would like and ask about how much more a month he/she spends. Include diapers, childcare, anything you can think of, and then work this estimate into your budget before you buy a house. While you can always make do, it's best if you have an idea of how much you'll need to have on hand once baby comes along so you can price your mortgage accordingly.
#17 Nov 01 2006 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you can afford it, house first. In fact, house before pregnancy. Don't make your wife-to-be move while pregnant. I had to go through that and it was extremely stressful. Plus Mr. Pikko was very upset when I would end up napping after an hour of packing, leaving him to do a lot of the work. Smiley: grin
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#18 Nov 01 2006 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
I'm aphauled at you women being all 'oh don't make me move when I'm teh preggers'.

Make your man do the packing and quit yer ******** If you can't manage that, then you've let the leash out too far. Give it a few pulls if you know what's good for ya.

Additionally, money wise, if you use my principle about living within one's means, you may choose a house that you can afford now, then after children, you might have to move into something more modest because of the new expenses that you did not bargain for. Unless you are the planner of planners, these are things you should consider. Also, factor in movers if the ***** has a bun brewing. That should shut her up good.
#19 Nov 01 2006 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Get a house with a jacuzzi and practice making babies as a married couple for a couple of years before getting her preggos. You can never go back to those times until after the kids move out and then she'll be like old.
#20 Nov 01 2006 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Get a house with a jacuzzi and practice making babies as a married couple for a couple of years before getting her preggos. You can never go back to those times until after the kids move out and then she'll be like old.


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#21 Nov 01 2006 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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but financially speaking it's always better to own than to rent

That is a myth the real estate industry loves to perpetuate. In some cases it holds true but certainly not always.

Echoing most everyone else here, buy the house first and then have the kids, but only if you are dead set on buying a house. Kids take up a lot of space but if your apartment is adequate then I wouldn't purchase a house for the sole purpose of having one before a child.

I had already bought my first house by the time we decided to have our first child so that wasn't really an issue. To offset the costs of the baby we just cut our vacationing by about 30% per year. Honestly, with the new addition we didn't have the time to go anywhere even if we wanted to so the trade off was sort of moot.

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#22 Nov 01 2006 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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That is a myth the real estate industry loves to perpetuate. In some cases it holds true but certainly not always.


Close to always, though. Even if you bought right at the peak of the market and ended up completely upside down on your mortgage for years, you'd still be better off in the long run nearly always.
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#23 Nov 01 2006 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Close to always, though. Even if you bought right at the peak of the market and ended up completely upside down on your mortgage for years, you'd still be better off in the long run nearly always.


Kind of depends on how you look at it. If you ignore interest and are able to sell your house for more than you paid then you came out ahead.

If you broke even when you sold it and still ignore interest then it was probably better to rent. Less cash outflow for the past x number of years. I know if I had nothing to show for my purchase I would prefer to spend less for it ...

Of course if you include interest, then you lose money on any house you will ever buy unless you pay cash or get one hell of a return on it.
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Of course if you include interest, then you lose money on any house you will ever buy unless you pay cash or get one hell of a return on it.


If you assume rents stay static for 30 years.

You may as well throw in the Rent Fairy to your carefully considered premise.

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Get a house with a jacuzzi and practice making babies as a married couple for a couple of years before getting her preggos. You can never go back to those times until after the kids move out and then she'll be like old.



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#26 Nov 01 2006 at 3:03 PM Rating: Default
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Kind of depends on how you look at it. If you ignore interest and are able to sell your house for more than you paid then you came out ahead.

If you broke even when you sold it and still ignore interest then it was probably better to rent. Less cash outflow for the past x number of years. I know if I had nothing to show for my purchase I would prefer to spend less for it ...

Of course if you include interest, then you lose money on any house you will ever buy unless you pay cash or get one hell of a return on it.

You're a ******* ******. Shut the **** up and sit back in the corner, ***.

My point, Smash, is that there are too many variable involved in any given circumstance to make such a sweeping statment like it's a universal truth, or even that it is close to always. You can't just make assumptions on what "the long term" will be these days because the simple fact of the matter is that compared to the past, a lot less people are living in their homes for 30+ years now. Depending on the type and term of the financing vs. investment potential, the length of time one stays in a home, fluctuating property values, and just plain ****-poor luck passed off as Acts of God you can't automatically make the assumption that you would be better off investing in real property that you reside in than you would be investing in other, more lucrative ventures while residing in a home that you don't own. People too earnestly believe that 100% of the time that their money would have been better spent on purchasing a home than elsewhere and all I'm saying is that without the proper financial planning and forsight it isn't all that difficult to get the **** end of the stick.
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