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#1 Oct 19 2006 at 2:14 AM Rating: Good
Anyone been following the piece on "Good Morning America" with Diane Sawyer reporting from North Korea? It's been some pretty powerful stuff, and it just goes to show you how human's absorb whatever information is thrown at them whether it is credible or not. Every single person she talked to on the streets said that the U.S and U.N were bad and responsible for all the ills in the world. They could not, however, tell her one single thing about the U.S or any other country for that matter.



So I sat there thinking what a shame it was for people to be so locked out of the outside world, that they believed everything their government stated. After thinking about it for awhile I wondered is your average person in the "free world" any better off? Sure we know that individuals like Osama and Kim Zong are "bad", but do we really know why? Their ideology, philosophy, and policies aren't exactly reported by mass media. The media simply portrays them as evil, and the average person believes it to be so because contray evidence is not available. Sure they have claimed lives in the name of their beliefs, but what thought process has brought them to this position?


Of course people in the free world have the ability to research these philosophies, but how many objective sources would we come across? It's just a bit scary how things constantly blasted to us via various forms of media can sneak up on us and become true without even realizing. So I pose the question are "we" any better off then the so called brain washed N. Korean's? Relatively.....I am sure, but don't we fall victim to some of the same mind shaping tactics???
#2 Oct 19 2006 at 3:25 AM Rating: Default
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Sure they have claimed lives in the name of their beliefs


Who hasn't?

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Relatively.....I am sure, but don't we fall victim to some of the same mind shaping tactics???


We do.

Not the same extent as them, since they have absolutely nothing else than the propaganda they're fed. But otherwise, yes. Of course. Most of your thoughts and opinions and formed by outside interferences. If not all. And how could it be otherwise? The only alternative is direct experience of a situation, but even this is done by interpreting events according to a certain belief system and interpretation technique.

Blame your parents, and culture.

We didn't make anything up. Think about it. "History" is always written by the conquerors.
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#3 Oct 19 2006 at 3:45 AM Rating: Decent
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InuyashaaSama wrote:
it just goes to show you how human's absorb whatever information is thrown at them whether it is credible or not


It sure does. Smiley: laugh
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#4 Oct 19 2006 at 5:44 AM Rating: Decent
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#5 Oct 19 2006 at 6:46 AM Rating: Good
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/sigh

Why is it there is always someone who can take an extreme example of something--North Korea for instance --and tie it in with how we live, as if there is any remotely possible connection? The supposition that because Koreans are kept in the dark by an authoritarian regime must mean that we are also being kept from information just doesn't make any logical sense. It'd be like doing an expose' on Eskimos and commenting on their diet of whale blubber and then thoughtfully placing your chin in your hand and wondering aloud how we in the lower 48 are managing our high blood pressure that stems from our regular intake of Willy the Whale's fat. Hmmm, yeah, just how are we dealing with that serious problem? I know my daily three square whale McMeals are just killing my health!

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#6 Oct 19 2006 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
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Sure we know that individuals like Osama [...] are "bad", but do we really know why?
Smiley: dubious

I'm sure he has his motivations. Everyone has motivations. I'm even fairly aware of what Osama's were -- his stated ones anyway; if he has deep unspoken secrets, I don't know them. I don't believe that those motivations justify his actions.
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Of course people in the free world have the ability to research these philosophies, but how many objective sources would we come across?
Such is the beauty of living in the free world. I can read pro-Muslim (or even pro-terrorist) literature. I can go on the internet and browse news sites from the Middle East. I can watch Flash movies some lunatics made trying to convince me that the government orchestrated 9/11. I can read the blog of the friggin' president of Iran, for Christ's sake.

Now, if some people chose to restrict their knowledge gathering to Diane Sawyer or what the White House tells them or whatever then that's their business. But it's not due to a lack of options for information.

Edited, Oct 19th 2006 at 8:24am PDT by Jophiel
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#7 Oct 19 2006 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
How TV, political, and radio spindoctors work, should be a part of required learning in every grammer school.... Common sence too.
#8 Oct 19 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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And spelling. Don't forget spelling.

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#9 Oct 19 2006 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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Look, the whole Osama thing isn't that complicated. Muzzie wanted Whitney Houston, but Bobbie Brown was mackin' on that inbetween snorts of coke. Muzzie goes into a murderous rage, kills lots of people, and ends up jacking off to pictures of Goat of the Month instead of on Ms. Houston.

Simple.

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#10 Oct 19 2006 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
InuyashaaSama wrote:
Sure we know that individuals like Osama [...] are "bad", but do we really know why?
Smiley: dubious

I'm sure he has his motivations. Everyone has motivations. I'm even fairly aware of what Osama's were -- his stated ones anyway; if he has deep unspoken secrets, I don't know them. I don't believe that those motivations justify his actions.
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Of course people in the free world have the ability to research these philosophies, but how many objective sources would we come across?
Such is the beauty of living in the free world. I can read pro-Muslim (or even pro-terrorist) literature. I can go on the internet and browse news sites from the Middle East. I can watch Flash movies some lunatics made trying to convince me that the government orchestrated 9/11. I can read the blog of the friggin' president of Iran, for Christ's sake.

Now, if some people chose to restrict their knowledge gathering to Diane Sawyer or what the White House tells them or whatever then that's their business. But it's not due to a lack of options for information.

I'll start the coffee. Do you think Fibbies prefer Milanos or Oreos?
#11 Oct 19 2006 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Oreos. They live in a black and white world. CIA is more of a Milano/gray scale kind of organization.

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#12 Oct 19 2006 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Oreos. They live in a black and white world. CIA is more of a Milano/gray scale kind of organization.
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#13 Oct 19 2006 at 1:40 PM Rating: Default
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I can read pro-Muslim (or even pro-terrorist) literature. I can go on the internet and browse news sites from the Middle East. I can watch Flash movies some lunatics made trying to convince me that the government orchestrated 9/11. I can read the blog of the friggin' president of Iran, for Christ's sake.


You can have all of that tracked by the NSA at no extra charge.

I hear in 2009 you'll be able to get fries with it too.

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You can have all of that tracked by the NSA at no extra charge.
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#15 Oct 19 2006 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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It's true. Only those ashamed of their actions would afraid of others seeing or hearing of them. As it is each one of us is filmed, monitored, or recorded hundreds of times on any given day and not one of you is concerned-- except when those of you are surfin' the **** ('Sup, BT? How's the scat?). Perhaps the entities are not our government-- at least our national government --but many of the institutions doing the recording are quite willing to share, sell, or trade their info for other's.

On principle everybody is against the loss of privacy, but the reality is most of us happily hand over our most personal data for even the cheapest of trinkets such as toasters for opening up a new credit card account, 10% off coupons, etc, etc. After all, how many here already have premium or used their email address to register a nic here, by way of example?

The alternative is living completely off the grid and I suspect not a single one of us here is willing to make that choice.

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#16 Oct 19 2006 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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It's true. I endorse a police state.

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#17 Oct 19 2006 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
Totem wrote:
('Sup, BT? How's the scat?)


Not impressed; it's kind of corny.
#18 Oct 20 2006 at 12:08 AM Rating: Default
Jophiel wrote:
I'm sure he has his motivations. Everyone has motivations. I'm even fairly aware of what Osama's were -- his stated ones anyway; if he has deep unspoken secrets, I don't know them. I don't believe that those motivations justify his actions.




As they say one man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. I also do not believe that his actions are justified, but then again I cannot pretend to relate to his world view and that of his country men. Osama when contrasted with other radicals such as Saddam brings up some pretty large differences. While Saddam was all about power, control, money, and death......Osama seems to be very in touch with his people and actually believes in his cause.




Jophiel wrote:
Such is the beauty of living in the free world. I can read pro-Muslim (or even pro-terrorist) literature. I can go on the internet and browse news sites from the Middle East. I can watch Flash movies some lunatics made trying to convince me that the government orchestrated 9/11. I can read the blog of the friggin' president of Iran, for Christ's sake.

Now, if some people chose to restrict their knowledge gathering to Diane Sawyer or what the White House tells them or whatever then that's their business. But it's not due to a lack of options for information.





I was speaking about your average person. You average person is not educated, well read, and equipped with the resources to do this type of research. They also probably lack the motivation to do so. My point was it's scary how willing people are to be filled up with information, and not question it's truth, accuracy, and objective. As we sit in our living rooms and scoff at N. Korean's being brainwashed with propaganda....our neighbors are being affected by the same propaganda...only we call it the nightly news =)




#19 Oct 20 2006 at 3:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow, Inuyashaaaaaasammmma is so deep.

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#20 Oct 20 2006 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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"As they say one man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter." --InuyashaaSama

Well, as I say, one man's milktoasty, limp wristed and ******* InuyashaaSama is a is another's sperm collector. Could you possibly be more vacilating? Do you work at Waffle House for a living you mush brained sub-average uneducated, not well read, and unequipped with the resources to do this type of research person?

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#21 Oct 24 2006 at 2:12 AM Rating: Default
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Well, as I say, one man's milktoasty, limp wristed and ******* InuyashaaSama is a is another's sperm collector. Could you possibly be more vacilating? Do you work at Waffle House for a living you mush brained sub-average uneducated, not well read, and unequipped with the resources to do this type of research person?





Is this the part where we measure penises?
#22 Oct 24 2006 at 3:55 AM Rating: Good
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While I have no doubt you whip your little d1ck out to "measure" it for all sorts of male strangers at the drop of a hat, I prefer to keep your meat gazing in my direction to a minimum. Believe me on this, no amount of pleading on your part will entice me to pull my johnson out so you can lovingly examine its length and girth in the interest of science, male bonding, or any other psuedo-homosexual trickery.

However, rumor has it that Hellboy, Usisqueegielps, and Eondribble will gladly agree to rub their ***** against yours under the guise of penile comparison and might even take you out to dinner beforehand.

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#23 Oct 24 2006 at 4:18 AM Rating: Decent
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on a sidenote:

OP wrote:
It's been some pretty powerful stuff, and it just goes to show you how human's absorb whatever information is thrown at them whether it is credible or not.


yes, and I can relate very well to that. being born in the former GDR (ze commie estern part of yermany), we also were being kept in the dark pretty much... not as bad as the people in NC, luckily, but still... when I think of my thoughts/ideas when the wall came down 17 years ago and how much that changed since... (not only cause I got older, hehe)

anyways, knowing how much they can ***** with your brain AND seeing the actions of this frikkin Kim makes me wanna rate him down for good...

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#24 Oct 24 2006 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
Kajo, ever saw "Goodbye Lenin"?

Great film. Speaking of GRD, I went to Berlin recently, and it's crazy how the Eastern part of the city looks. Eventhough they renovated a lot of it, it looks so... inhuman. Those gigantic tower blocks, the grey decaying buildings, you really feel there is no space for the individual... Weird experince.

Back on topic, What about a "Post your *****" thread, so we can settle this debate once and for all?
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