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#1 Oct 16 2006 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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Martin Luther King, in a speech about the Vietnam War in April 1967 wrote:
"They must see Americans as strange liberators, they watch as we poison their water, as we kill a million acres of their crops. They must weep as the bulldozers roar through their areas preparing to destroy the precious trees. They wander into the hospitals, with at least 20 casualties from American firepower for one "Vietcong" -inflicted injury."

"What do the peasants think as we ally ourselves with the landlords and as we refuse to put any action into our many words concerning land reform? What do they think as we test our latest weapons on them, just as the Germans tested out new medicine and new tortures in the concentration camps of Europe? Where are the roots of the independent Vietnam we claim to be building? Is it among these voiceless ones?"
Thank Bob things have changed since then.
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#2 Oct 16 2006 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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Exactly what type of American do you think you are you damn hippy?
#3 Oct 16 2006 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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The world should be thankful actually. For all the junk we have laying around with the ability to annihilate most of the earth's population, I think we've shown remarkable restraint. I can't imagine most countries out there who, if they had the dangerous toys we do, would be able to resist using those goodies on anybody and everybody they took a dislike to.

Besides, killing gooks and A-rabs is like stepping on ants or zapping them with a magnifying glass-- you know there's always a ton more out there to replace the ones you just offed.
#4 Oct 16 2006 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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#5 Oct 17 2006 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
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The world should be thankful actually. For all the junk we have laying around with the ability to annihilate most of the earth's population, I think we've shown remarkable restraint. I can't imagine most countries out there who, if they had the dangerous toys we do, would be able to resist using those goodies on anybody and everybody they took a dislike to.


I can think of a few: Russia, China, France, the UK, Israel, India, Pakistan, South Africa.

Soon, maybe North Korea too!

But still, well done for only using them twice.
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#6 Oct 18 2006 at 7:14 AM Rating: Default
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I can think of a few: Russia, China, France, the UK, Israel, India, Pakistan, South Africa.

Soon, maybe North Korea too!

But still, well done for only using them twice.


Russia sold all of their crap, China is to dependant on U.S. buying their electronics to **** us of. What the hell does France have besides wine. The UK is to chicken sh*t (government, not the people) Israel should use it on some of the bastards who constantly attack them. India and Pakistan cant use them b/c they would be worried about the other using it on them once their supply is gone. South Africa is to involved with their diamonds and killing their own people to worry about anyone else (can anyone say De Beers).

So, who is left?
#7 Oct 18 2006 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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So, who is left?


Some moronic poster who should educate himself before spewing random crap?
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#8 Oct 18 2006 at 7:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Russia has lots of nuclear weapons yet (and if they DID sell them, then that just means some other nation has them). France has a decent ******* of ballistic and air-to-surface nuclear missiles.

Although I'll say that South Africa abandoned their nuclear weapons program and no one really disbelieves them. I'm sure they could get another one up and running in a very short time though. Japan and potentially South Korea could get a program active in a short time as well.
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#9 Oct 18 2006 at 7:25 AM Rating: Default
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Some moronic poster who should educate himself before spewing random crap?


If I am moronic, punch holes in my arguement. If you're arguments are better than mine, then I will be happy to succed since I'm not above changing my opinion due to persuasion.

(and if you were not refering to me, then slap me around and tell me to shut up)
#10 Oct 18 2006 at 7:39 AM Rating: Decent
cpcjlc wrote:
If I am moronic, punch holes in my arguement. If you're arguments are better than mine, then I will be happy to succed since I'm not above changing my opinion due to persuasion.


Joph has already done it partially.

but, since you ask politely, let's go:

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Russia sold all of their crap


It hasnt. See this thread, middle of the page roughly, for info on who has what.

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China is to dependant on U.S. buying their electronics to **** us of


The situation is so much more complex than that, and would warrant a whole thread of its own. You can't sum up the relationship between the world's two superpowers in such a simplistic sentence. And it has nukes anyway. And the stronger it grows, the less "scared" of US economic reprisals it becomes.

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What the hell does France have besides wine


Nukes.

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The UK is to chicken sh*t (government)


Government change every so often. Anyway, they still have nukes.

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Israel should use it on some of the bastards who constantly attack them


I'm not even sure where to begin. This is such a stupid statement. Who "constantly attacks them"? Palestinians? So youa re suggesting they use nukes on Palestine? Lebanon?

Please, help me out on that one...

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India and Pakistan cant use them b/c they would be worried about the other using it on them once their supply is gone


By the time the "supply was gone", the "other side" wouldn't exist anymore. Yes, they both have the ******* for mutual deterrence, but you just wait. pakistan can switch sides any day. The day the Islamists fundementailsts take power, and it could happen any day, we'll have a whole new problem on our hands that will make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

Having said all that, I'm still not sure what the point of your post was. That no one has nukes apart from the US? That no one would dare use them apart from the US? I just don't know.
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#11 Oct 18 2006 at 7:58 AM Rating: Default
Holy hell! Can't you see the sarcasm in my first post. And even when I switched to devils advocate, you still didn't see it.

I used to be in the military in a position where I was privy to alot of info about world military strength and capibility that most people on this thread will never know. The situation is a hell of a lot more complicated than anyone has even come close to posting.

Yes, it is true that governments can change, overnight in some cases, but that doesn't mean that the new gov't will use it's nuke powers. Most people who come into power aren't stupid enough to use them right off the bat *with the exception of some fanatics*.

Now, a good example of sarcasm is my comment on France. Anyone with half a brain would know that France has more than wine. Do you think they are on the UN security councel b/c they are pretty.

Unless China strikes oil, they won't attack many middle eastern countries. They are more dependant on the us economy than you know. *Being in the Finance world now, trust me, I know these things*. You would be suprised how many european countries have considerable interest in the Middle East. Hell, you would be suprised how much interest the U.S. has in the Middle East *which benefits them more with OPEC controling it and not the U.S. directly so quit the war for oil arguement before it even starts).

As far as the Pakistan-India situation goes, they have more than each other for enemies. While true one side may use nukes on the other side (in which case the both sides have the capibility to detect the launch) neither side would be there in the end.

No matter how many U.S. presidents shakes hands with good ole Russia, they are still, and will probably always be, a threat.

South Africa could start their programs back up, as well as the many countries that have the capability to start a new one quickly, but it is in their best interest not to **** the rest of the world off to bad (economy and stuff). De Beers (who S.A. obvousily has an interest in) is currently trying to work a deal with the U.S. state department to drop U.S. charges against them for breaking anti trust laws (look it up, it's true). If S.A. started a nuke war, how far do you think that would go.

These are just a few of the issues the world faces when it comes to the Nuclear Arena. And none of the ones I stated are quite as simple as the explination I gave.

Putting all that aside, you do make a convincing arguement with the information you have (which, trust me, is very little *no disrespect intended*). But it falthers when looking at the grander scale (as I'm sure some of mine would b/c I don't have all the info I would need to construct a sound agrument.)

Other than that...have a good day.
#12 Oct 18 2006 at 8:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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cpcjlc wrote:
I used to be in the military in a position where I was privy to alot of info about world military strength and capibility that most people on this thread will never know.
Smash? Dat j00?
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The situation is a hell of a lot more complicated than anyone has even come close to posting.
It's a message forum, not a complete treatise on nuclear geopolitics.
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#13 Oct 18 2006 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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cpcjlc wrote:
I used to be in the military in a position where I was privy to alot of info about world military strength and capibility that most people on this thread will never know. Also, I was a sea captain, a college professor, professional athlete and male model.


Varus?


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#14 Oct 18 2006 at 8:10 AM Rating: Default
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Varus?

What?
#15 Oct 18 2006 at 8:10 AM Rating: Default
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Varus?

What?
#16 Oct 18 2006 at 8:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tare wrote:
cpcjlc wrote:
Also, I was a sea captain
Varus?
Yaarr!!
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#17 Oct 18 2006 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Tare wrote:
cpcjlc wrote:
Also, I was a sea captain
Varus?
Yaarr!!


What?
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#18 Oct 18 2006 at 8:13 AM Rating: Default
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Also, I was a sea captain


Land ahoy matey!
#19 Oct 18 2006 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
cpcjlc wrote:
Holy hell! Can't you see the sarcasm in my first post.


I wasn't sure if you were a complete idiot, or if you were being sarcastic.

I'm still unsure, to be honest.

Anyway, what is the point of your posts? Other than showing you can be sarcrastic while at the same time being privy to most of the world's secrets?
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#20 Oct 18 2006 at 9:26 AM Rating: Default


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Anyway, what is the point of your posts? Other than showing you can be sarcrastic while at the same time being privy to most of the world's secrets?


Just a small demonstration as to why "the world should be glad America has not used its nukes" is a completely unfounded agruement b/c of every nuclear countrys best interest not to use them.

And to have a little fun.

Question is; why are you so threatend by someone else having an opinion other than yours (evidenced by you resorting to name calling when you refered to me as a moron.)

And as far as having most of the world secrets, I dont and wouldn't wish that on anyone. Do you know how big of an ulcer that would cause?
#21 Oct 18 2006 at 9:50 AM Rating: Decent
I don't consider your first post "an opinion".

I'm just kinda bored.

And moody.
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#22 Oct 18 2006 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good


cpcjlc wrote:
Do you know how big of an ulcer that would cause?


Probably as big and painful as the one in this thread.
#23 Oct 18 2006 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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The only thing that could enhance the fUcktardness of cpcjlc's e-******* would be use of the word "nucular".

That said, the prowess of his illiteracy (I'm assuming he'll hide behind a self-diagnosis of Dyslexia) makes me thing he would accidentally misspell Nucular as either 'Nuclear' or 'cUntwaffle'

Anywho.

I have a mole on my ******* that has an uncanny resemblance to a silhouette of George Bush fisting Oprah Winfrey in front of a Hologram of Christ feeding the 5,000 (but with Filet-o-Fish TM instead of loaves and fishies)

What a conundrum!! I know that has to be worth a decent bit of cash on eBay, but would I be happy carrying me love spuds around in an alternative receptacle?

Life is a cruel and impertinent mistress Smiley: oyvey

Oh, and cpcjlc. FUck off you cUnt.

PS. Which of you fUcking admins thought that greying out the new swear filter workaround would make you more attractive to wimmins? Eh? Eh?

May you rot in cyber-hell, and I call you all poopy-heads, nincompoops and numpties. (Except DF coz she's teh snugglez0rz)
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#24 Oct 18 2006 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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King Nobby wrote:
PS. Which of you fUcking admins thought that greying out the new swear filter workaround would make you more attractive to wimmins? Eh? Eh?
Try setting your monitor up so small text isn't greyed out you stupid toothless British ****!
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#25 Oct 18 2006 at 11:02 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, and cpcjlc. **** off you ****.


Tell you what. Until you come up with a revelent rebutal of my arguement..blow me.

After you do..perhaps we will discuss it further.
#26 Oct 18 2006 at 11:04 AM Rating: Default
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I don't consider your first post "an opinion".

I'm just kinda bored.

And moody.


hehe..me to..that was why I was posting stuff anyway..lol
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