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#1 Oct 11 2006 at 2:27 AM Rating: Decent
It's official!. And 40 years old.

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A single dose of the hallucinogenic drug LSD is an effective treatment for alcoholism - according to research led by a British doctor more than 40 years ago.

Studies on thousands of alcoholics treated with the drug in the early 1960s - before it became popular as a psychedelic street drug - showed it helped trigger a change in mental attitude leading drinkers to quit. But, in spite of its promise, the therapeutic potential of the drug has been ignored since it was banned worldwide in the late 1960s as a threat to public safety.

Now a historian who unearthed the research, led by British psychiatrist Humphrey Osmond and carried out in Canada, has interviewed the participants four decades on and says the results are dramatic.

Erika Dyck, professor of the History of Medicine at the University of Alberta, said: "The LSD somehow gave these people experiences that psychologically took them outside of themselves and allowed them to see their own unhealthy behaviour more objectively, and then determine to change it.

"Even interviewing the patients 40 years after their experience, I was surprised at how loyal they were to the doctors who treated them, and how powerful they said the experience was for them - some even felt the experience saved their lives."

The research was carried out in Saskatchewan where Humphry Osmond and his fellow British psychiatrist John Smythies had gone after they became disillusioned with the state of psychiatric research in Britain.

They reasoned that a single large dose of LSD might have the same effect as experiencing delirium tremens which they had noted often marked the turning point in a drinker's career.

In one study, two-thirds of the alcoholics stopped drinking for at least 18 months after receiving one dose of LSD, compared to 25 per cent who stopped after group therapy and 12 per cent after individual therapy.


So, all in all, great news for both alcoholics and druggies!

In honoUr of this discovery, I composed a little poem:


They said it makes you crazy,
To take some LSD,
But he'll never be an alcoholic,
The one we know as Debalic.

So to all the kids out there,
Victims of the propaganda scare,
Throw the schackles of oppression,
And indulge in a drug-binge session.

No more vodka in the mornin',
Or tequila with juice and gin,
Instead millions of colourful buddies,
To guide you through life's agonies.

I know, I know, inspired stuff.

Edited, Oct 11th 2006 at 3:32am PDT by RedPhoenixxxxxx
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#2 Oct 11 2006 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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I already knew this.

I always suggested that to all the heroin junkies that I knew to take a large ammount of acid. That was they can look at themselves.. reallly look at themselves and despair.

know waht I mean? Acid has that quality.
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#3 Oct 11 2006 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I already knew this.

I always suggested that to all the heroin junkies that I knew to take a large ammount of acid. That was they can look at themselves.. reallly look at themselves and despair.

know waht I mean? Acid has that quality.


Yep.

Who needs mirrors when you have hallucinogenic drugs?
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#4 Oct 11 2006 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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well, hard to look at yourself in the mirror wehn you're snorting lines off of it.




but this was about alcohol wasn't it? sorry
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#5 Oct 11 2006 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
Well, alcohol, or any other addiction. The thing is they stopped testing the drugs for medicinal pruposes a while back.

If it worked for alcohol, there aren't many reasons why it shouldn't work for heroin or crack. And since LSD is not physically addictive, it could be intersting.

Obviously it's not for everyone. But it's intersting nonetheless.
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#6 Oct 11 2006 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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Obviously it's not for everyone.


yeah

just, yeah.

LSD makes subtle changes in your mind... for example, at will I can "turn off" my language receptors (or wahtever) and just hear the sound coming out of peoples mouths as just sound... in other words listen to someone speaking English and not translate it in my head... thus is sounds as foreign as anything else.

I think LSD would be a "tool" for a kind of physcological surgery... you can seriously mess with peoples minds with this.
Honestly if they made it legal to research this stuff.. it'd be a ticking timebomb waiting to happen.


Ever see Jacob's Ladder?

May be able to kill addiction... it could also kill a lot more..
An utterly dangerous enterprise IMO.

Edited, Oct 11th 2006 at 8:47am PDT by Kelvyquayo
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#7 Oct 11 2006 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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for example, at will I can "turn off" my language receptors (or wahtever) and just hear the sound coming out of peoples mouths as just sound... in other words listen to someone speaking English and not translate it in my head... thus is sounds as foreign as anything else.


I can do the same thing when a woman objects. Plus, I rarely leave marks.
#8 Oct 11 2006 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
for example, at will I can "turn off" my language receptors (or wahtever) and just hear the sound coming out of peoples mouths as just sound... in other words listen to someone speaking English and not translate it in my head... thus is sounds as foreign as anything else.

I can do that using only my stone-cold-sober-****-poor-listening skillz.
#9 Oct 11 2006 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Ever see Jacob's Ladder?


Yeah, it was a cool film!

The weirdest thing is that apparently the only thing LSD does is to make your brain release a chemical that makes hallucinate.

In other words, the LSD itself is just a trigger for your brain to release a substance that does those effects.

So maybe you could, somehow, release that substance without needing the LSD.

Which might explain poeple listening to their native language and not understanding a word, dunno.
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#10 Oct 11 2006 at 10:56 AM Rating: Default
I read a book that covered LSD, and it had in it case studies of I believe three individuals who were put into sensory deprivation chambers while on it. They would have them talk about what they were feeling, seeing, hearing...they also if I remember correctly pumped different types of music into the chamber at times. Nothing really loud or anything to give them heart attacks, more a soothing type of thing. I'll try to find the book, it was definitely older...mid 70's maybe? Mid 60's? Read it a good 15 years ago so...bah.

Acid is fun though.
#11 Oct 11 2006 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Acid is fun though.


If you think that, then you obviously need to do a lot more.
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#12 Oct 11 2006 at 2:52 PM Rating: Default
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Acid is fun though.


If you think that, then you obviously need to do a lot more.


See, when you put "a lot" and "acid" together, that's when it becomes less fun and more sanitarium.
#13 Oct 11 2006 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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Acid is fun though.


If you think that, then you obviously need to do a lot more.


See, when you put "a lot" and "acid" together, that's when it becomes less fun and more sanitarium.




Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.


It's the gift that keeps on giving.
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#14 Oct 11 2006 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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Hassa ni Saba!
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#15 Oct 11 2006 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I enjoyed acid up until the time I ate too many hits and later lost control of reality, got stomach cramps, and puked. Let me tell you, puking whilst tripping your balls off is a horrifying experience.

But that's not why I stopped. I stopped because every time I tripped thereafter I kept getting the dry heaves. I think it was some sort of weird Pavlovian reaction or something.

I remember one time my friend and I were walking around downtown Pittsburgh, tripping our asses of in the middle of the day, and I felt it coming on so I started bending over, wretching with dry heaves in teh middle of the sidewalk. He kept saying "YES THAT'S RIGHT! CAST OUT THOSE DEMONS! CAST THEM OUT!"

It was funny, but not.
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lost control of reality



You control reality?

Smiley: looney
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#17 Oct 11 2006 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
[link=]http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html[/link]


Thear is what realy happens when you take it nice drawing's to.
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lost control of reality



You control reality?

Smiley: looney

Stop it man! You're wiggin' me out! Smiley: mad

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#20 Oct 11 2006 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Nobby said

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Hassa ni Saba!


You a Hawkwind fan then?

And as far as LSD goes....its ok. but have you tried DMT?

LSD is a lot o' fun, but this stuff is genuinly psycedelic....Smiley: yikes

should you get a chance, I'd fully reccomend a go on it...



Edited, Oct 11th 2006 at 8:56pm PDT by paulsol
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#21 Oct 12 2006 at 4:47 AM Rating: Decent
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but have you tried DMT?

LSD is a lot o' fun, but this stuff is genuinly psycedelic....Smiley: yikes


Isn't it also called "savia"? That stuff is legal in Holland. I tried a couple of times, and it was really weird. The effect didn't last long, like 5-10 minutes, but it felt so much longer. I became smaller and smaller, as I could hear my friends in the room shouting for me to come back, but I was just getting tinier and tinier, until I was smaller than the kids in "Honey I skunk the kids".

Not sure I'd do it again though. It freaked me out a bit.
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#22 Oct 12 2006 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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Different than salvia. This stuff is usually in the form of hallucinagenic Tea that alot of religious Native types in South America are infamous for, not unlike peyote or mescaline.
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#23 Oct 12 2006 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
I read "The teachings of Don Juan", and another one by him called "The warrior's way" or something like that. Pretty cool stuff.

Apart from all the puking, and dog-pissing, and stuff.
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#24 Oct 12 2006 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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Not sure I'd do it again though. It freaked me out a bit.


It would be much more pleasent if the time from sober to peak was more than a second or two. The oddest experience in my life was after a bowl of the stuff. I actually had a conversation with a version of myself sitting across from me in a cartoon version of my parents screened in porch.

Edited, Oct 12th 2006 at 8:37am PDT by SarrenValBst
#25 Oct 12 2006 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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paulsol the Flatulent wrote:
Nobby said

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Hassa ni Saba!


You a Hawkwind fan then?
I saw 'em a few times in my yoof.

Nice catch btw. Google I assume?
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#26 Oct 12 2006 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Terence Mckenna and a chap by the name of Strassman have written a lot about DMT.

Your right, its an odd one. Comes on real fast, total immesion for a few minutes, and then wears off real quick too.

But in the right place at the right time, theres nothing like it. (not that I've come acrross anyway)
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