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#1 Oct 09 2006 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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I am a smoker who supports a smoking ban in enclosed areas.

I don't mind stepping outside for a smoke.

I'd prefer to have bars where it's allowed, or designated areas, but I appreciate why the ban may be as far reasching as planned for UK.

But THIS?

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Smokers may not be able to light up outside bars and restaurants in the West End, when the ban on smoking in public places comes into force in 2007.

Westminster City Council says it will ask the government for the power to stop smoking outside certain buildings.

The council has concerns over the increase in noise, as many premises are in residential areas.

It was responding to the Department of Health's consultation on the introduction of the ban across England.
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#2 Oct 09 2006 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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Smokers being inconvenienced rather than being the ones inconveniencing others always makes me smile. Suck it up, no ******** till you have emphysema.
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#3 Oct 09 2006 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I never smoked but I feel for smokers that are having their right and ability to smoke seriously curtailed. Then I remember that smoking is the dumbest thing ever. Smiley: grin
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#4 Oct 09 2006 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Dunno about banning smoking outside buildings per se. but I do think theres a case for bannning smokers from smoking within 20 metres of the entrance of places like restaurants, bars and shopping malls. Its f'ucking gross to walk up to the doors of a mall (for example) for the doors to whoosh open, and then have to walk thru the gaggle of sallow faced, blotchy addicts and their effluent, standing right outside.

Smoke all you want. just don't make me breath in your stench....'mmmkay!

or put some weed in it.....FFS!
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#5 Oct 09 2006 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmm... slippery slope though right?


I remember years ago when the first laws started coming out banning smoking inside some establishments like bars and bowling alleys remarking that this would simply force smokers to move from those places (where everyone who's inside chooses to be there and can decide to be exposed to smoke or take their business elsewhere) to smoking outside on the street where the passersby have no such choice. I argued that this would lead to a ban on smoking on the streets as well. So I'm not surprised at all by this.
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#6 Oct 09 2006 at 5:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now WHY on God's green earth did you have to make a new thread... whiney *****.
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#7 Oct 09 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
Nobby time to give it up, seriously smokers are just so gross.

You smell, taste and look bad, it may have been cool when the Fonz was a smoker but it is time to move on you junkie!
#8 Oct 09 2006 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
Ever since the smoking ban sent me outdoors to smoke at my local haunts, I find myself urinating on patios and in public slightly more than I used to. Fair trade, in my book.
#9 Oct 10 2006 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
This is complete and utter bullshit. What a fucking joke, seriously.

I am for the ban as well, I think its a good thing, especially for those poor souls like me who are trying to quit smoking.

But this is about as clever as George Bush in a coma, and as practical as a saddle-less bicycle on Mount Everest.

First, how the fuck can you enforce it? If I take two steps to the right so I'm not directly in front of the pub, is that ok? What if I, well not "i", but let's say "Nobby", is just walking down the street, smoking a cigarette, and walk in front of said-pub? Does he have to make a detour? Put his cigarette out? It doesn't make any sense.

Second, its a public passage, there's a right of free-way, I don't think it's even legal to do that in the UK.

Finally, those geniuses tell us that:

the dumbest council in the world wrote:
The council has concerns over the increase in noise, as many premises are in residential areas


Noise? From smoking a cigarette? I assume they mean that people that will congregate outside of pubs, but they do that anyway!! Well, at least during the two weeks of the year when its not pouring down rain. And if they're really concerened about noise, then shut down the fuucking millions of pubs/clubs/bars/strip joints in that area. That will quiet down the West End.

Aaaaaargh.

I feel like a cigarette.
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#10 Oct 10 2006 at 2:23 AM Rating: Decent
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RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:

Finally, those geniuses tell us that:

the dumbest council in the world wrote:
The council has concerns over the increase in noise, as many premises are in residential areas


Noise? From smoking a cigarette? I assume they mean that people that will congregate outside of pubs, but they do that anyway!! Well, at least during the two weeks of the year when its not pouring down rain. And if they're really concerened about noise, then shut down the fuucking millions of pubs/clubs/bars/strip joints in that area. That will quiet down the West End.

Aaaaaargh.

I feel like a cigarette.


Actually the noise comes from all the hacking and coughing as well as the incessant ******** about having to stand outside to smoke. Its a genuine quality of life issue. No really, it is.

#11 Oct 10 2006 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually the noise comes from all the hacking and coughing as well as the incessant ******** about having to stand outside to smoke. Its a genuine quality of life issue. No really, it is.


I take it that was sarcrastic.

Just in in the infinitely small probability that it was not sarcastic... Then they should ban alcohol in pubs. All the screaming, fighting, puking, singing and abusing will never be drowned out by "coughing and ***************

It's a joke.

No really, it is.
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#12 Oct 10 2006 at 3:17 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Hmmm... slippery slope though right?


I remember years ago when the first laws started coming out banning smoking inside some establishments like bars and bowling alleys remarking that this would simply force smokers to move from those places (where everyone who's inside chooses to be there and can decide to be exposed to smoke or take their business elsewhere) to smoking outside on the street where the passersby have no such choice. I argued that this would lead to a ban on smoking on the streets as well. So I'm not surprised at all by this.


But Gbaji, Mr. Straw Man this and Straw Man that, isn't that a logical fallacy?!


Edited, Oct 10th 2006 at 4:19am PDT by StunOperator
#13 Oct 10 2006 at 3:29 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
I argued that this would lead to a ban on smoking on the streets as well. So I'm not surprised at all by this.


But Gbaji, Mr. Straw Man this and Straw Man that, isn't that a logical fallacy?!


It's certainly an I-told-you-so.

But it's stupid. Enclosed places are completely different to the open air. Seriously, I don't hear you guys arguing that cars should be banned outside because of the pollution. And breathing in an exhaust pipe is a million times worse than passive smoking. And then ban outside barbequeues, and people farting, and cheminees, and sewers...

******* hell, if someone is smoking outside and you happen to walk by, delay your breathing by a couple of seconds, and you wont even notice it.

I cant even believe I have to argue this. Go live in the fascist state that is Singapour if you can't deal with stupidly tiny insignificant issues such as these.

I need a cigarette.
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#14 Oct 10 2006 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Ever since the smoking ban sent me outdoors to smoke at my local haunts, I find myself urinating on patios and in public slightly more than I used to. Fair trade, in my book.

An improvement really. I was tired of sitting on barstools with urine on them.
#15 Oct 10 2006 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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So we've finally found something that makes le posteur's blood pressure rise. Smiley: laugh
Nobby, didn't DF warn you about this sometime back, and you laughed it off?

As for smokers, if you're the polite kind that smokes downwind and not in front of the door but a goodsix feet out, I'm sorry your rights are being curtailed because of the dumbass that feels like he can only smoke with the door of my office lobby cracked open, forcing me to walk through a smoke-filled chamber that stinks me up for the rest of the day and makes me gag. To you, Asshat Smoker, I say Good Day, and Suck It.
#16 Oct 10 2006 at 8:21 AM Rating: Default
Man, I can't WAIT until they ban caffeine.
#17 Oct 10 2006 at 8:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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xtremereign wrote:
Man, I can't WAIT until they ban caffeine.


Because... it has an impact on decaf drinkers?
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#18 Oct 10 2006 at 8:32 AM Rating: Default
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xtremereign wrote:
Man, I can't WAIT until they ban caffeine.


Because... it has an impact on decaf drinkers?


Like me? No seriously, it's because I will get to watch other people whine and ***** about their rights to do something unhealthy and laugh at the irony of it all.
#19 Oct 10 2006 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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xtremereign wrote:
Samira wrote:
xtremereign wrote:
Man, I can't WAIT until they ban caffeine.


Because... it has an impact on decaf drinkers?


Like me? No seriously, it's because I will get to watch other people whine and ***** about their rights to do something unhealthy and laugh at the irony of it all.
Jesus, you're a tool.
#20 Oct 10 2006 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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With any luck, our default friend is already a fan of spinach and carrot juice.

Yay!
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#21 Oct 10 2006 at 9:58 AM Rating: Default
Atomicflea wrote:
xtremereign wrote:
Samira wrote:
xtremereign wrote:
Man, I can't WAIT until they ban caffeine.


Because... it has an impact on decaf drinkers?


Like me? No seriously, it's because I will get to watch other people whine and ***** about their rights to do something unhealthy and laugh at the irony of it all.
Jesus, what a tool.


That's what your mom said.

Edited, Oct 10th 2006 at 11:03am PDT by xtremereign
#22 Oct 10 2006 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Did she also apply the adjective "lame"?
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#23 Oct 10 2006 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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xtremereign wrote:

That's what your mom said.
BURNNNN!!! Smiley: laugh
She also told me your pipi was curly like rotini, but she may just have been bitter about the fact that you were subpar in bed.
#24 Oct 10 2006 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:

She also told me your pipi was curly like rotini...


Classic
#25 Oct 10 2006 at 11:58 AM Rating: Default
Atomicflea wrote:
xtremereign wrote:

That's what your mom said.
BURNNNN!!! Smiley: laugh
She also told me your pipi was curly like rotini, but she may just have been bitter about the fact that you were subpar in bed.


To bad golf rules don't apply in bed, I'd be a champ.
#26 Oct 10 2006 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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xtremereign wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
xtremereign wrote:

That's what your mom said.
BURNNNN!!! Smiley: laugh
She also told me your pipi was curly like rotini, but she may just have been bitter about the fact that you were subpar in bed.


To bad golf rules don't apply in bed, I'd be a champ.


Finishing with the fewest possible strokes is not necessarily something to brag about.
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