North Korea tested a nukeFollow

It seems that maybe instead of focusing so intently on North Korea and Iran, we should first be focusing on Russia and China. We need to get those two powerhouses firmly on board with us (and with most of the UN), and we should not do it through diplomatic coercion. We need to be their buddies.

Then we can bring their considerable weight to bear on these unstable "rogue" nations.

Of course, I have no idea how to do that (especially with China). Damn communists.....



I suddenly have an urge to play Risk....

You're not serious are you? I wouldn't not expect "some loss of life" on our part. Or anyones part. This is some very serious (IMO) shit, we are talking world-ender here. We can't just point a missle at N. Korea and hope for the best. This isn't a run and gun situation Dubbya, The Halo generation and you want.

Edited, Oct 9th 2006 at 9:50am PDT by Kaelesh

I compare the two because they are both obviously self-declared elites whom think they deserve everything for nothing. And while I would have sex with one, that doesn't make it right. Besides I don't think Kim Jong likes men.



Well the apparently you would think wrong.

http://www.usip.org/pubs/specialreports/sr990802.html
http://www.atimes.com/koreas/DC16Dg01.html
http://freekorea.blogspot.com/2005/05/one-kwangju-per-day-for-six-years.html





Edited, Oct 9th 2006 at 10:03am PDT by xtremereign

Well "good" is always relative.

But you cant "cripple" NK anymore than it already is. No one is legally trading nuclear technology with them. They got their nuclear tech thanks to Khan, the father of the A-Bomb in Pakistan through illegal sales. NK's population is starving. They have nothing. They dont even "trade" since they have nothing to trade. They receive aid from SK and China.

So yeah, you could cut that off. Big deal. All it will mean is that the local population will go even more hungry. That has never been a problem for NK's leader.





This should obviously be the first step. And its not so hard.

Second, NK having a bomb in itself is not the issue. They've had it for years. The only difference is they've allegedly tested it. Underground. They dont even the capabilities to send one as a missile yet.

So the realy issue, is how to get rid of that crazy dictator.

Well, targeted assassination is one way. Their regime is a "communist-monarchy". This dude only has power because he is the son of his dad was in power. They have a "divine" right to rule over NK. And yet, somehow, its "communist". Go figure. Its complete bs.

So his "power" is one of "personality". Once he is gone, the whole dynamics inside NK will change.

Otherwise, promoting trade, peaceful technology (such as internte, radio, simple communication tools) would be great. They live in a compltetly enclosed society. They have 0 idea about what goes on in the outside world, and are constantly bombarded with propaganda about how they're gonna get nuked by teh US any second now. Read on it.

Once the people see the outside world is nothing like that, something will change internally.

Though doing all this without him deciding to go down in flames and using it, is of course tricky.

Again, and we care why? I'm fairly certain that we don't have to be concerned about wind blowing nuclear fall out to California from North Korea. Now other countries in the area, yeah they should be concerned.

Question is, why are we the ones getting all hyped up over this when it should be the countries closest to them? If Canada had a dictator like North Korea, and recently tested a nuclear weapon, then I could understand our getting our panties in a bunch. But Canadian's are cool people, Montreal is like a giant ***** house...I mean come on!

I think it's time for some people to step it up over there. You don't see any nuclear threats coming from our hemisphere, I'm thinking the other hemisphere needs to get its *** in gear. When Brazil tests a nuke and starts demanding aid, call me.

Edited, Oct 9th 2006 at 10:15am PDT by xtremereign

He snuck that in while I was still replying to posts on Page 1. I admit he has a good point though.

The most obvious reason, of course, for concern is proliferation. Iran, Syria, Libya, hell even Chavez has been buying up conventional weaponry on the premise that the United States is coming any day now. On a finer scale, the concern isn't that Syria will fire ICMBs at New York but rather when they give a smaller bomb to Hezbollah.

I'm not saying one can't use their beloved freedom of speech to criticize, I'm just bored to death with twits using the URL button to link every article that is anti-Bush, Republican, whatever. Especially so by foreigners.

So, in the interest of our viewers, I thought it would be a nice change to hear some suggestions. Seeing as though we are all scholars and brainiacs.

I don't recall anyone using that ridiculous cop-out recently either.

Umm...I'm sorry but I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make here? I said let them starve, not let them starve until they overthrow their government. Just starving is good enough for me. You know, the kind of starving that gets all the humanitarians around the planet all riled up and ready for action. The kind you just can't ignore, with pictures of little babies, their rib cages jutting out, living in mud huts. That kind of starving.

Kim Jong-Il will save them. He's a wonderful, kind, all knowing leader with only the peoples of his great "democratic republic" in mind. He's awesome. I wanna make it with him.

"He is addressed by many honorary titles: the "great leader," the son of the nation, national hero, liberator, and the fatherly leader. According to the party, there can be no greater honor or duty than being loyal to him "absolutely and unconditionally."

http://countrystudies.us/north-korea/55.htm

I'm not losing sleep.

NK is an odd kettle of fish - there is almost no relationship between the population and the leadership (Yes, starving people usually overthrow despots, but in NK they've had years of famine and kept the lid on). So I don't see any regime change anytime soon.

The fact that NK has pissed off Beijing and Moscow probably puts them back 15 years in terms of regional influence.

I recommend we send Condy in a basque.

I'm.... I'm so ashamed.

He who? Huh?

Mr. Winky.

You mean he's not British? I just assumed that with the huge red nose and bad hair that he was a limey.