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End times, end times,
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*turns on CNN*
wow
wow
*Checks Fox News*
*Feels the red hot fury and disdain emanating from other members resulting from his mention of Fox News*
*Switches to CNN for fear of his life*
Who completely expected NK to follow through with this?
At the same time, have we truly substantiated this claim (that the test indeed occurred)?
*Feels the red hot fury and disdain emanating from other members resulting from his mention of Fox News*
*Switches to CNN for fear of his life*
Who completely expected NK to follow through with this?
At the same time, have we truly substantiated this claim (that the test indeed occurred)?
Yeah, isn't it wonderful that we've been so very successful in quelling radical Islamic fascism?
For the obtuse among you, if I had smiley's, I'd be using the eye-rolling one right now
For the obtuse among you, if I had smiley's, I'd be using the eye-rolling one right now
If they keep this up, China might just annex North Korea again...the DPRK are weak around the Chinese border. A tempting target.
Quick!!!! Invade Nepal!
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
EQManX wrote:
*Checks Fox News*
*Feels the red hot fury and disdain emanating from other members resulting from his mention of Fox News*
*Switches to CNN for fear of his life*
Who completely expected NK to follow through with this?
At the same time, have we truly substantiated this claim (that the test indeed occurred)?
*Feels the red hot fury and disdain emanating from other members resulting from his mention of Fox News*
*Switches to CNN for fear of his life*
Who completely expected NK to follow through with this?
At the same time, have we truly substantiated this claim (that the test indeed occurred)?
According to posters on Slashdot (yeah, I know, real reliable way to get my news
), it's been confirmed that the test occurred. Or, from at least one person's standpoint, that NK had enough standard explosives to produce an explosion equivalent to the test in question (which is really showing more subtlety than they, and especially Kim Jong-Il, normally do).
Well, at least there's some good news. I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geiko.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Bah. North Korea testing nukes doesnt really mean much. We knew they had them, that's why we didn't invade them!
The only thing with North Korea is that it doesnt intend to use its nukes. It only uses them as a blackmailing tool to a)buy more time for its doomed monarchy-communist regime, and b) to get some money from South Korea and other countries.
But seriously, who would they nuke? And, more to the point, why would they nuke anyone? I know their leader is a nutcase in sunglasses, but even he knows that if he launched a nuke his country, himself, and his regime, would be annhilated the next day. Make that, the next minute.
He is not that stupid. The only way he wouls use his nuke is a last "suicide-bomb" if his regime was on the brink of being destroyed, and he wanted to "go down in flames".
I just can't get worried by North Korea. It's an incovenience, for sure, but I dont think its really a threat. However, it might jsut have bought Kim's regime another 30 years in power.
Sucks to be N.Korean.
The only thing with North Korea is that it doesnt intend to use its nukes. It only uses them as a blackmailing tool to a)buy more time for its doomed monarchy-communist regime, and b) to get some money from South Korea and other countries.
But seriously, who would they nuke? And, more to the point, why would they nuke anyone? I know their leader is a nutcase in sunglasses, but even he knows that if he launched a nuke his country, himself, and his regime, would be annhilated the next day. Make that, the next minute.
He is not that stupid. The only way he wouls use his nuke is a last "suicide-bomb" if his regime was on the brink of being destroyed, and he wanted to "go down in flames".
I just can't get worried by North Korea. It's an incovenience, for sure, but I dont think its really a threat. However, it might jsut have bought Kim's regime another 30 years in power.
Sucks to be N.Korean.
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Bah. North Korea testing nukes doesnt really mean much. We knew they had them, that's why we didn't invade them!
Well, for one, it will start an arms race in Asia, which is bad.
Second, he can use them by holding Seoul hostage to his demands. Any time he feels threatened by the US he can pull out "I'll nuke Seoul!" card. Seoul is in the middle of Asia with a population of 7 million people. Not only woudl the death toll be horrendous but the fall out would spread over billions of people.
I live 500km south of Seoul. I think it may be time to move.
I'm not sure about the arms race. Are there other countries in Asia that are thinking of getting nukes because of this?
But of course it's stressful for South Koreans, since they would be the primary target of any attack fron the North.
And unfortunately, there is not much we can do now. People talk about sanctions, but N.Korea is already an improverished country where famine is common. So sanctions would not really put any pressure on the governement. It would probably hurt the population even more, but that wouldn't change anything to the current situation.
The only hope in all this, is China. They are the only country that has any influence over North Korea.
I would be nervous in I lived in South Korea too. You guys are held hostage by this madman. His nukes are both his insurance against foreign intervention, and his "suicide-bomb".
But of course it's stressful for South Koreans, since they would be the primary target of any attack fron the North.
And unfortunately, there is not much we can do now. People talk about sanctions, but N.Korea is already an improverished country where famine is common. So sanctions would not really put any pressure on the governement. It would probably hurt the population even more, but that wouldn't change anything to the current situation.
The only hope in all this, is China. They are the only country that has any influence over North Korea.
I would be nervous in I lived in South Korea too. You guys are held hostage by this madman. His nukes are both his insurance against foreign intervention, and his "suicide-bomb".
Regular South Koreans don't seem all too stressed about it. I just asked one of the Korea women in my office what she thought and she said that she didn't think it was that worrying. Most regular Koreans shrug it off because they think of North Koreans as Koreans and don't believe they'd hurt them. I think the government is a tad bit stressed out though.
Anyways, China is already nuclear powered. Pakistan is a hop-skip-and-a-jump from here. Japan could probably get it self nuclear armed fast. North Korea has a border with Russia and Russia certainly has nukes. It could get hot and heavy fast around here.
There really isn't much anyone can do I think. Can't put much more sanctions on North Korea. Maybe China will invade it and take over, which would probably be good. Bad would be an American carrier fleet heading this way. I'd be on the first ferry to Japan if that happened.
And I looked at a map. I'm actually about 350km south of Seoul, not 500km. Too close.
I don't think China will invade. Or anyone. Invasion would be the one thing that would cause Kim to launch his nuke.
As you said most countries around NK are already armed with nukes. so, having 150 or 1500 doesnt make a huge difference. The only real one that could decide to go nuclear is Japan, but they wont do it without the US's agreement.
I do hope Kim shares your sense of "Koreanness".
I guess a covert, targeted assassination of Kim and other top-ranking officials would be a good solution. If it works. I can't think of many other ways to get rid of him.
If it fails, well, then someone will get hurt.
As you said most countries around NK are already armed with nukes. so, having 150 or 1500 doesnt make a huge difference. The only real one that could decide to go nuclear is Japan, but they wont do it without the US's agreement.
I do hope Kim shares your sense of "Koreanness".
I guess a covert, targeted assassination of Kim and other top-ranking officials would be a good solution. If it works. I can't think of many other ways to get rid of him.
If it fails, well, then someone will get hurt.
Wow, Rove will do anything to get that Foley scandal off the front page, huh?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Kim Jong-Il wrote:
I'm so ronry, so very ronry...
I don't think China will invade. Or anyone. Invasion would be the one thing that would cause Kim to launch his nuke.
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china is fully behind them, if not actually working with them on this project. their goal since vietnam was to get us off their continent. it is in part what the vietnam war was all about. n.k. will use the nukes as a bargaining chip to get us to leave south vietnam, with china standing in the back ground as a silent partner just like the vietnam war. no super power is going to allow a third world mad man to have nukes on their border. the only other logical conclusion short of n.k. becoming a chineese satilite state is complicity. the same complicity that we all wittnessed during the vietnam war. china is using n.k. as a tool to rid s.k. of our presence.
and like 9-11, it probably will have to get worse before we pull our troops out of yet another hell hole where they are not wanted.
cut and run? show weekness?
we would have other options if this addministraition didnt butcher the respect we once enjoyed in the world theater. nobody likes bush, no one wants to help him. internationally, he is a lame duck. and because of the mess we made in Iraq, no one feels threatened by us any more. we cant even controll one small pissant third world dirt hole in the middle of a desert, no one is going to give a second thought to us threatening them with military force while we are still bogged down in Iraq.
something these idiots should have seen comming. Hitler made the same mistake. bitting off more than he could chew at one time.
what we should have done is go into afganistan full force with the weight of the international community behind us, back when they still supported us, and if Iraq was something our leaders were hell bent on doing, save it untill AFTER afganistan was setteled. infact, we could have used afganistan as an example to get better compliance from Iraq.
what we did was stupid. what N.K. is doing will encourage other pissant hell holes to jump into the nuclear race while we are stalled in the sands of iraq. iran is jumping on it while the getting is good, and it wont be long untill they have nukes too. probably wont be much longer after that that israel nukes iran and the sheit will hit the fan in the middle east.
this is a result of our stupidity. you can stand up and wave the party flag all you want, but it wont change the totall failure of this addministraitions foreign policy.
Bush said he was going to change the world. well, it looks like he will, but not for the better.
the moral majority working for you......
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china is fully behind them, if not actually working with them on this project. their goal since vietnam was to get us off their continent. it is in part what the vietnam war was all about. n.k. will use the nukes as a bargaining chip to get us to leave south vietnam, with china standing in the back ground as a silent partner just like the vietnam war. no super power is going to allow a third world mad man to have nukes on their border. the only other logical conclusion short of n.k. becoming a chineese satilite state is complicity. the same complicity that we all wittnessed during the vietnam war. china is using n.k. as a tool to rid s.k. of our presence.
and like 9-11, it probably will have to get worse before we pull our troops out of yet another hell hole where they are not wanted.
cut and run? show weekness?
we would have other options if this addministraition didnt butcher the respect we once enjoyed in the world theater. nobody likes bush, no one wants to help him. internationally, he is a lame duck. and because of the mess we made in Iraq, no one feels threatened by us any more. we cant even controll one small pissant third world dirt hole in the middle of a desert, no one is going to give a second thought to us threatening them with military force while we are still bogged down in Iraq.
something these idiots should have seen comming. Hitler made the same mistake. bitting off more than he could chew at one time.
what we should have done is go into afganistan full force with the weight of the international community behind us, back when they still supported us, and if Iraq was something our leaders were hell bent on doing, save it untill AFTER afganistan was setteled. infact, we could have used afganistan as an example to get better compliance from Iraq.
what we did was stupid. what N.K. is doing will encourage other pissant hell holes to jump into the nuclear race while we are stalled in the sands of iraq. iran is jumping on it while the getting is good, and it wont be long untill they have nukes too. probably wont be much longer after that that israel nukes iran and the sheit will hit the fan in the middle east.
this is a result of our stupidity. you can stand up and wave the party flag all you want, but it wont change the totall failure of this addministraitions foreign policy.
Bush said he was going to change the world. well, it looks like he will, but not for the better.
the moral majority working for you......
Jophiel wrote:
Wow, Rove will do anything to get that Foley scandal off the front page, huh?
In my mind, the fear is not that they will use a nuclear weapon themselves but that they will sell it to an angry, restless, ambitious, Jew-hating, America-despising terrorist enterprise.
Yeah, I'm thinking that Iran might be nuclear equipped with a quickness now. Well, more of a quickness than they were progressing before when they only had Pakistan aiding them.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I think the real elephant in the room is that we, as a nation, just don't scare people the way we used to. We are no longer the golden child of the international political scene, our big stick isn't as large as it used to be, we aren't the leaders in technology anymore, our kids aren't the smartest, our culture not the most efficient,and we're ****-poor bad at not being first.
There's got to be a paradigm shift in the way this country thinks about itself and its place in the world, but we're not getting the message. It sucks, because although I remember my home country fondly, there's a reason I immigrated, and it's because I firmly believe that this nation is good at heart, and the best place to be at this point in time. I don't know if future events will cause me to reconsider this stance or not, but I certainly hope not. I hope that, as a people, we can see our global role needs to change, and we can do so with some grace and innovation.
Edited, Oct 9th 2006 at 7:05am PDT by Atomicflea
There's got to be a paradigm shift in the way this country thinks about itself and its place in the world, but we're not getting the message. It sucks, because although I remember my home country fondly, there's a reason I immigrated, and it's because I firmly believe that this nation is good at heart, and the best place to be at this point in time. I don't know if future events will cause me to reconsider this stance or not, but I certainly hope not. I hope that, as a people, we can see our global role needs to change, and we can do so with some grace and innovation.
Edited, Oct 9th 2006 at 7:05am PDT by Atomicflea
Thats why we need a World Government!! A World Government, which would be the only entity with Nukes.
Seriously, its so easy to see how this (as of yet completely unrealistic) scenario is the only practical solution in the long-term.
In the short-term, we'll just have to wait for nuclear war to break out before we start thinking outside the box that is the ultimate sovereignty of artificial nation-states.
Seriously, its so easy to see how this (as of yet completely unrealistic) scenario is the only practical solution in the long-term.
In the short-term, we'll just have to wait for nuclear war to break out before we start thinking outside the box that is the ultimate sovereignty of artificial nation-states.
CNN.com wrote:
"The transfer of nuclear weapons to states or non-state entities would be considered a grave threat to the United States," Bush said. "And we would hold North Korea fully accountable to the consequences of such action."
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
CNN.com wrote:
"The transfer of nuclear weapons to states or non-state entities would be considered a grave threat to the United States," Bush said. "And we would hold North Korea fully accountable to the consequences of such action."
Atomicflea wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
CNN.com wrote:
"The transfer of nuclear weapons to states or non-state entities would be considered a grave threat to the United States," Bush said. "And we would hold North Korea fully accountable to the consequences of such action."
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