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#1 Oct 04 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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DUBLIN, Ireland The Irish Republican Army is committed to nonviolent politics and has shut down key units responsible for weapons-making, arms smuggling and training, an expert panel reported Wednesday, in dramatic findings designed to spur a revival of Catholic-Protestant cooperation in Northern Ireland.

I was listening to some discussion around this on NPR this morning. I'd be interested to know the opinions of Brits on this board. I find it hard to believe the faction would suddenly become committed to peace, but then again, has anyone really been living in fear of the IRA at all this past decade?
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#2 Oct 04 2006 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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#3 Oct 04 2006 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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Me more than you, slim.

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#4 Oct 04 2006 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Tare wrote:
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Me more than you, slim.


Well considering I'm not a drinker, duh. I just figured it'd make more sense being that the IRA is Irish and all.
#5 Oct 04 2006 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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a revival of Catholic-Protestant cooperation in Northern Ireland.


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#6 Oct 04 2006 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd be interested to know the opinions of Brits on this board. I find it hard to believe the faction would suddenly become committed to peace, but then again, has anyone really been living in fear of the IRA at all this past decade?


I dont think its been a particularly sudden change of heart.

Its a conflict thats been goin on for ages. Over the last half a dozen years or so, there seems to have been a gradual leaning towards the 'political' way of doing things (as opposed to knee-capping and the like). I think that this has been due to quite a lot of give and take on both sides, but the main thing being an understanding that violence wasn't getting anyone anywhere, dialogue being the more constructive way froward.

Of course there are still some 'diehards' 'remnants' and 'Sadaamists'(oops wrong conflict!), who want to return to the armed exchanges, but they do seem to be a minority that is shrinking.

All in all, I would say that tho it took a bloody long time, the parties in this armed struggle seem to have finally come to the conclusion that theres more to life than spending all their time fighting.

Yay to that!Smiley: yippee

Perhaps theres some lessons to be learnt from what appears to be a relatively happy outcome, in one of the longest running terrorist conflicts? maybe its better to stop the fussin' an' the fightin', and sit down together and 'talk' about grievances, and come to some sort of compromise.

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After all "you cant bomb the world to peace. you can only bomb it to pieces'. (Thankyou Michael Franti)


And as far as 'living in fear' of the IRA. Nah! I'd be pretty surprised to hear that any of your average people on the street in the UK were 'living in fear' of the IRA in the last 30 years, or more. Sure they used to blow stuff up now 'n' again, but really, with all the time I spent in London, I never gave the IRA a second thought. Even tho The Bishopsgate bomb went off while I was working in Barts hospital right around the corner, and the Isle o dogs bomb was a bit too close for comfort as well, we Brits are made of pretty stern stuff, when it comes to terrorist types Smiley: wink.

Of course, with the benefit of hindsight, what we should have done, sometime early on in the whole episode is dropped a few tonnes of Hi-explosive on Dublin (who, after all were in charge of the country that the IRA was operating from) and once we had overthrown those religious zealots that are the southern Irish, we should have invaded Portugal. Not that Portugal has much if anything to do with the IRA, but they do have some bloody fine surf beaches, and their anchovies are second to none.
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#7 Oct 05 2006 at 2:37 AM Rating: Decent
The Good Friday Agreement was quie amazing in the way it gave the IRA real incentives to put down weapons in favour of political power. It was a compehensive agreement that touched upon loads of issues, not just the political process, but the whole way of life. It created new institutions, changed things like how the polie were recruited, etc...

It is quiet incredible that it hs, in many ways, worked so well. But this is also, partly, because the IRA had specific political goals, that were not completely irrealistic. They were struggling for independence, or joining Ireland. By giving them a chance to achieve these goals through the political process (carrot), and imposing sanctions if violence was committed (stick), they were given a viable way out of violence, which in the end, did not help anyone.

Today, it's working, well, pretty well. Sure, there are constant set-backs, from bank robberies by the IRA, to Parlimant being bugged, through MI5 spies being uncovered, there's rarely a dull moment. But on the whole, it is quite an astonishing success. Large-scale violence has gone. Terorism has gone. there are still some die-hard splinter groups, like Paulsol said, like the REAL IRA, but these are tiny and only operate withint N. Ireland.

Another factor taht helped the Peace process was, strangely enough, 9/11. In a way, 9/11 seperated the men from the boys, in terms of terrorists. And the IRA were not on the same scale as Al-Qaeda. So that helped quite a lot. Well, that and the fact that Bostonians stopped funding them indiscriminately.

As for people being scared, thoe in England havent been really scared since at least the 90s. Before that, it was alot more volatile. But the situation is still scary in N. Ireland. Knee-capping, murders, intimidation, "loyalty", no-go areas, segregation, etc.. all these things are still a reality in N. Ireland.

Today, the biggest obstacle to having a proper power-sharing Parlimant is the Rev. Ian Paisley. He's an old dinosaur with an inbred hatred of Sinn Fein. He is a James.

But he's old, will die soon (hopefully), and maybe it'll move quicker then.

The simple story, however, is that when youa re dealing with groups that have specific and reasonable poltiical objectives, the best thing to do is show them that they have more to gain by being inside the system than out. The Good Friday Agreement gave the tools for this to be a reality for Sinn Fein.
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#8 Oct 05 2006 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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I agree that American fundraising has been a critical factor. 9/11 had an impact, but the pub murder that resulted in the Whitehouse turning its back on Adams and McGuinniss opened a few people's eyes.

The romantic struggle of rustic irish peasants wearing green waistcoats like a Disney Movie was an image that poured millions of dollars in from USA to pay for the bullets and bombs that killed so many civilians over here.

Paulsol - dunno if you were around in the '70s but we were bloody scared. Almost daily bombings or shootings.

The bottom line is it takes real cojones for political leaders to start dialogue with terrorists/freedom fighters. John Major started it by being the 1st British PM to publicly invite Sinn Fein to Downing Street. Blair built on this.
Major and Blair faced massive criticism, not least from IRA victims and their widows.

I just delight walking around Belfast these days, remembering the tension in the air back in the 70s and 80s.
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