Forum Settings
       
« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6
Reply To Thread

Four and a half weeks and countingFollow

#1 Sep 29 2006 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
And the Pubbies give away another seat.

Quote:
Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., abruptly resigned from Congress on Friday in the wake of questions about e-mails he wrote a former teenage male page.


Quote:
ABC News reported Friday that Foley also engaged in a series of sexually explicit instant messages with current and former teenage male pages. In one message, ABC said, Foley wrote to one page: "Do I make you a little horny?"

In another message, Foley wrote, "You in your boxers, too? ... Well, strip down and get naked."

Foley, as chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus, had introduced legislation in July to protect children from exploitation by adults over the Internet. He also sponsored other legislation designed to protect minors from abuse and neglect.


I'm glad he was so involved in protecting minors from... other predators.

Loves them family values. Loves 'em, we does.
____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

#2 Sep 29 2006 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
Imaginary Friend
*****
16,112 posts
liberal conspiracy
____________________________
With the receiver in my hand..
#3 Sep 29 2006 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
*****
10,755 posts
One time I used by neighbor's computer to send myself an email from his account. I then replied from my computer and copied my boss asking why he thought I was a douchebag and should choke on *****. I had already prepped my boss.

It was pretty damn funny.

Unrelated, but funny.
#4 Sep 29 2006 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
I have a feeling that Foley left more over the issue of being outted as gay then over any actual illegal conduct.


Nice to see that the Dems still don't have any compunctions about outting gay folks in order to score some political points. Kinda reminds me of the whole "Cheney's Daughter is Gay" deal...
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#5 Sep 29 2006 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
Kelvyquayo wrote:
liberal conspiracy

Gbaji wrote:
liberal conspiracy


Mmmm, I guess that settles it.
#6 Sep 29 2006 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
***
2,453 posts
gbaji wrote:
I have a feeling that Foley left more over the issue of being outted as gay then over any actual illegal conduct.


Nice to see that the Dems still don't have any compunctions about outting gay folks in order to score some political points. Kinda reminds me of the whole "Cheney's Daughter is Gay" deal...




Its nice how you establish your "feeling" as the pedophiles genuine motivation, and then try to discredit the Dems for outting him because he's gay. It's complete ********* but its nice.

He wasn't outted because he's gay. He was exposed as a pedophile. Please, please, please, can't you at least dip your toe in the icy waters of reality once in a while?

#7 Sep 29 2006 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Deathwysh wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I have a feeling that Foley left more over the issue of being outted as gay then over any actual illegal conduct.


Nice to see that the Dems still don't have any compunctions about outting gay folks in order to score some political points. Kinda reminds me of the whole "Cheney's Daughter is Gay" deal...




Its nice how you establish your "feeling" as the @#%^philes genuine motivation, and then try to discredit the Dems for outting him because he's gay. It's complete bullsh*t, but its nice.

He wasn't outted because he's gay. He was exposed as a @#%^phile. Please, please, please, can't you at least dip your toe in the icy waters of reality once in a while?


No. He wrote suggestive statements in some emails. No more suggestive then appear on this forum in an average day. How many of the readers here are under 18? How many get involved in "circle jerks", and talk about fisting and goatfucking, or out and out flirtations?

Are you saying that someone is a pedophile if he teases Cody about being "big boned"? I don't know if he's personally said that, but how many comments of similar nature have flown around this forum?
Additionally, in order to be a pedophile, one would actually have to engage in sexual activity with someone who had not yet reached puberty. This is generally legally abstracted as being under the age of 12. In this case, Foley not only did not engage in any sexual activity, but the "boy" (note the use of this term!) was 16.


The worst you can say is that the emails were in questionable taste.


I'll repeat. The biggest "bomb" about this is that Foley is gay. Because while he could defend himself from any other argument about illegality or breach of ethics, he cannot do so without revealing that he is gay. Clearly, based on the fact that he dropped out of a senate race previously specifically to avoid even the discussion of his sexuality, this is a touchy issue with him (as it is with most gay people who are not out of the closet).


This was an attack on his sexuality hidden behind a "protect our children" veneer. If he'd made similar comments to 16 year old females, it might have made a minor scandal, but without any actual illegal actions would have gone nowhere. This story was specifically pushed out into the mainstream becuase of the sex of the people involved, not the content of the emails.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#8 Sep 29 2006 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
*****
10,755 posts
Ummm....you should probably go read the link Red posted, then come back and erase your post. Otherwise, this is up there with the "no marks" comment.

Sometimes being smarter than everyone means you admit when you are wrong.
#9 Sep 29 2006 at 6:54 PM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Same as the Jack Ryan case in Illinois, if Foley had to drop out because the voters would have chased him out of town, the problem lies with the Republican voters. It's already a given that the average firm Democrat wouldn't have been voting for him anyway so the only person the story would be influencing would be those Republicans and Independents who had planned to vote for the guy.

Go ahead and blame the evil liberals for this but, while you claim that there's nothing wrong with what the guy did, don't forget to ask yourself why this story matters enough for the guy to drop his run for office. I guess it's too bad the Republicans in his district aren't ready to vote for a gay guy if that was his only transgression.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#10 Sep 29 2006 at 6:55 PM Rating: Good
Imaginary Friend
*****
16,112 posts
Quote:
the problem lies with the Republican voters.


burn
____________________________
With the receiver in my hand..
#11 Sep 29 2006 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Go ahead and blame the evil liberals for this but, while you claim that there's nothing wrong with what the guy did, don't forget to ask yourself why this story matters enough for the guy to drop his run for office. I guess it's too bad the Republicans in his district aren't ready to vote for a gay guy if that was his only transgression.


Because he's "in the closet". And he's obviously uncomfortable with coming out with his sexuality. I'm pretty sure he'd be equally uncomfortable with it regardless of the opinions of those around him.

It's not uncommon for homosexuals to feel extremely uncomfortable about publically discussing their sexuality. And yeah. That means sometimes a politicial would rather drop out of a race then have to deal with the very issue.


I doubt it had anything to do with the voters or a concern over whether he could win with this scandal hanging around him. I could certainly be reading more into it then there is, but I think you are very much overstating the degree to which a candidate's sexuality affects their chances at winning an election (Republican or not).


There's one of two likely possibilities that I see. Either he has done something "worse" and he's afraid it'll come out if he doesn't drop out, or he hasn't but is mortified by the idea that his sexuality will become a matter of public discussion. While it's possible that the first case is true, given his past reaction to mere questions of his sexuality (dropped out of a senate challenge), I'm leaning towards the latter.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#12 Sep 29 2006 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
Quote:
It's not uncommon for homosexuals to feel extremely uncomfortable about publically discussing their sexuality with anyone except sixteen-year-old pages who have expressed no reciprocal interest in them whatsoever.


Sure.
____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

#13 Sep 29 2006 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
@#%^ing DRK
*****
13,143 posts
Just because the FBI usually pose as 12 year olds doesn't make it ok that he was 16. In a court, that "boy" as you put it would be tried as a minor under almost all circumstances. I work with a guy that had sex with a 16 year old when he was 18. Guess what, he's a felon.

Look for some stories online, if he solicited sex, he commited a crime. Either way, what he said was suggestive enough.

I very highly doubt 'being gay' as the only reason of his resignation. Admit it Gbaji, you backed yourself in a corner.

It's a shame you can't use metsubushi on an internet forum.
#14 Sep 30 2006 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
I usually steer away from commenting on most of the stuff that Gbaji posts, for the simple fact that it's usually a long winded meandering post filled with nothing more than opinionated dribble attempted to be passed off as fact.

Gbaji, it's very simple and has nothing to do with the fact that he is gay. It does on the other hand have everything to do with the fact that he sent sexually inappropriate e-mails to a underage intern. You can make the argument that his comments were no more inappropriate than the comments made on these boards.

Here's the problem with that. 99.9% of the people who post on these boards will never meet each other in real life. The fact that this kid was an intern shows that he had real life interaction with Foley makes it a very real. It also makes it nowhere near the same as comments made on these boards. So before you make another comment about it being because he's gay, just stop.

The guy is a pederast. There is no way possible that you can defend him or his actions. The most disgusting part is this piece or trash was the head of an organization that is meant to protect children from the likes of him.
#15 Sep 30 2006 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
Prodigal Son
******
20,643 posts
Old hat. We had a Dem out himself and leave politics two years ago.
____________________________
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#16 Sep 30 2006 at 5:50 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Brill wrote:
Here's the problem with that. 99.9% of the people who post on these boards will never meet each other in real life. The fact that this kid was an intern shows that he had real life interaction with Foley makes it a very real. It also makes it nowhere near the same as comments made on these boards.
There's also the issue that Foley was in a position of authority over this kid.

We're pretty l33t tough so maybe Gbaji thinks that Forum=4 is in a position of authoirty over the rest of Allakhazam's.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#17 Sep 30 2006 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
Hmmm, I did not think of that. All joking aside, there is no defense for this guy. It doesn't matter what angle you look at it from, he's a pederast.
#18 Sep 30 2006 at 7:30 PM Rating: Default
I'm adding four weeks and another to that, before I start keeping score.
#19 Sep 30 2006 at 7:57 PM Rating: Excellent
Tracer Bullet
*****
12,636 posts

This is why I stopped responding to gbaji. He's emulating varus in ludicrousness at this point.

#20 Sep 30 2006 at 8:10 PM Rating: Default
Well, thank you for letting us know, in your one and only usual tricky style.

On behalf, I just want to let you know, we appreciate, as you approach your 10-thousand-th post-day. Hip hip ... ludicrousness eh? Strange references indeed. Don't stop responding til you get enough responding. /beep

Edit: /peek-a-boo-cringe, Nope, still at "default" decent, the only piece in this forum=?. /swanter + /sway_hair_to-the-side_on

Edited, Sep 30th 2006 at 9:42pm PDT by MonxDoT
#21 Oct 01 2006 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
Another thread ruined by MonxDOT.

Gbaji seriously if he were a Dem would you be saying this, hell it was Fidel Castro would you be defending him?
#22 Oct 01 2006 at 9:37 PM Rating: Decent
Prodigal Son
******
20,643 posts
BBBD wrote:
Another thread ruined by MonxDOT.

Gbaji seriously if he were a Dem would you be saying this, hell it was Fidel Castro would you be defending him?

Well we could go digging and find out what he thought about the whole McGreevey thing.

The result? Absolutely nothing.

Edited, Oct 1st 2006 at 11:05pm PDT by Debalic
____________________________
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#23 Oct 02 2006 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
Well, well, well. Now it appears as though Pubbie party leaders knew about Foley's peccadillos and kept it quiet.

How very Catholic of them. This was one seat that they didn't have to worry about, you see. It was a lock, until it wasn't.

So, why rock the boat? Why make an issue of the fact that a family-values Republican is apparently flagrantly breaking the laws he helped pen?

Hypocrisy revealed just makes me kick my heels and laugh like a happy baby.
____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

#24 Oct 02 2006 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
the article Samira linked said wrote:
Republican leaders -- including Reps. John Boehner of Ohio, the majority leader, and Thomas Reynolds of New York, chairman of the party's congressional campaign committee -- acknowledged this weekend that they were aware for months of e-mail traffic between Foley, 52, and a 16-year-old Louisiana boy. Reynolds said he had also told Hastert, though Hastert said he did not remember the conversation.


What? You don't expect him to remember every single conversation he's had about pedophile Senators, do you?
____________________________
My politics blog and stuff - Refractory
#25 Oct 02 2006 at 7:29 AM Rating: Good
YAY! Canaduhian
*****
10,293 posts
I guess the booze made him do it.
____________________________
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
#26 Oct 02 2006 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
*****
18,463 posts
Samira wrote:
Hypocrisy revealed just makes me kick my heels and laugh like a happy baby.
True dat.

At the same time, I would like to point out that his behavior, as documented, is very much in line with pedophilic impulses. He was warned of his behavoir and yet he couldn't see the inappropriateness of it, or make himself cease it.
Quote:
The initial messages, though not overtly sexual, alarmed the boy's parents and led to Foley being questioned by the clerk of the House and the Republican chairman of the board that oversees the page program. Foley told them the communications were innocent. They directed him to break off contact and then apparently dropped the matter, saying the parents did not want to take other action.


Quote:
In his letter to Gonzales, Hastert drew a line between what he described as "two different and distinct communications at issue here" -- the e-mail messages to the Louisiana boy that Republicans considered overfriendly, and the more intimate messages that surfaced later and that leaders say they never saw.

The escalation of tone is also a classic.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2006 at 8:31am PDT by Atomicflea
« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 283 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (283)