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#1 Sep 19 2006 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you know how to tie a necktie?
I am a male and yes, I do:63 (63.0%)
I am a male and no, I do not:19 (19.0%)
I am a female and yes, I do:10 (10.0%)
I am a female and no, I do not:8 (8.0%)
Total:100
For purposes of this poll, any standard knot (Windsor, half-Windsor, Four-in-hand) is allowable so long as you can make yourself look presentable for graduations and board meetings. Clip-ons and bolos don't count.

Female options added just so they have a button to push. I'm not really concerned about them unless they're to do that whole "guy's suit sexy" thing.
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#2 Sep 19 2006 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm not really concerned about them unless they're to do that whole "guy's suit sexy" thing.

In which case we'll need pics to verify.
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#3 Sep 19 2006 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I have no idea how to tie a necktie...
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#4 Sep 19 2006 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I used to know how to tie a tie when I had a man who would actually wear one. Then I married a back woods hick who wouldn't be caught dead in one, hey wait, good idea! ROFL Glad that's over.

Now the chick in man suit thing, that rocks, but I prefer to wear the shirt unbuttoned a slight bit too low, and the tie would just obscure the view for everyone else.
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#5 Sep 19 2006 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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I prefer to wear the shirt unbuttoned a slight bit too low, and the tie would just obscure the view for everyone else.
That'd need to be a fUcking big Tie!
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#6 Sep 19 2006 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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I can acomplish a half-windsor, the full-windsor is beyond my skill. Smiley: frown
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#7 Sep 19 2006 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
Half windsor is all I can accomplish. I use it mostly for interviews, and creeping out my friends when I show up to a party dressed to the nines.
#8 Sep 19 2006 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Incidentally, this poll stems from this news story about a judge who requests that male members of his jury wear a tie. No jokes about how to put a necktie on your male member, please.

Anyway, from said article...
Some guy wrote:
"I remember when we were a free country," he said. Besides, he added, "There might be people on the jury who don't know how to do a Windsor knot or a four-in-hand."
I'm a little suprised that any man worth his salt could reach his 20's and not know how to tie a tie.
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#9 Sep 19 2006 at 10:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Some guys seem surprised that women don't know how to tie a tie. Why would I? I know how to dress myself, that's good enough!

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#10 Sep 19 2006 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
A lot of my male friends don't have a clue when It comes to any kind of tie, and 9 times out of 10, their girlfriends/wives do it for them. Seems a little strange that more women know how to do it than men.
#11 Sep 19 2006 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:

Female options added just so they have a button to push.
I thought they always had a button to push...
#12 Sep 19 2006 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
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What's a necktie? Smiley: confused
#13 Sep 19 2006 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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I think they mean a Columbian Necktie.
#14 Sep 19 2006 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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I read somewhere that the tie originates from the time wehn Scythian farmers were made slaves of some ruling class or another from the Steppe Plains.

The difference here being that instead of designer fabric it was simply a rope, and I would imagine... attached to somthing at the other end..


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#15 Sep 19 2006 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Back in 1987, The Straight Dope's Cecil Adams wrote:
Dear Cecil:

Has there ever been, in the history of civilization, any functional purpose for wearing a tie, or is it merely an inane ritual held over from ancient times, unwittingly followed on a daily basis by hundreds of thousands of grown men as a blazing symbol of conformity to some unspoken norm, bestowing membership in some gigantic, vaguely defined, exclusive club? --Phil S., chairman, Loaded Questions Department, Washington, D.C.


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I gather, Phil, that you do not like ties, probably because you are some kind of hippie beatnik who would rather live in the forest eating roots and berries than hold down a job like a man. But hey, no problem, I'm a liberal. The wearing of neck cloths dates back at least to the time of the Roman legions, when soldiers wore a neck band to catch the sweat or block the cold, depending on the season. In the 17th century, Louis XIV's Croatian regiment also wore neck cloths, whence we derive our word "cravat," from the French cravate, for "Croatian." Cravats, which were cloths wound around the neck and often tied at the ends, gradually evolved into the bow tie, and by the 19th century into the modern long tie.

Cravats were unquestionably an object of fashion, but at least they kept your neck warm, which is more than you can say for most modern neckwear. Regrettably, the trend over the years, in neckties as in all of life, has been to make once functional items increasingly useless. The State Department, for instance. But I digress. First the necktie migrated outside the collar (this was the high collar, I should note), the better to show it off. Then the collar was folded down, thus hiding the necktie and defeating the purpose of putting it outside the collar in the first place. At the same time the band part of the necktie, which wrapped around the neck, became thinner, until today we have those nerdy clip-on jobs with no band at all.

So far as I can determine, the only thing the tie does at present, apart from enforcing corporate discipline, is to hide your shirt buttons. Such a hassle. No doubt we'd all be better off if we could just get naked and frolic with the animals. I look to you, Phil, to show some leadership.
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#16 Sep 19 2006 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
I can tie both knots and make my male member presentable too. Any real chap should.
#17 Sep 19 2006 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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fhrugby the Sly wrote:
I think they mean a Columbian Necktie.


You mean this Colombian Necktie.
#18 Sep 19 2006 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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Master NixNot wrote:
A lot of my male friends don't have a clue when It comes to any kind of tie, and 9 times out of 10, their girlfriends/wives do it for them. Seems a little strange that more women know how to do it than men.


I would imagine it stems from women in general caring about how people look then men do.

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I gather, Phil, that you do not like ties, probably because you are some kind of hippie beatnik who would rather live in the forest eating roots and berries than hold down a job like a man. But hey, no problem, I'm a liberal.

Smiley: laugh that's a great reply


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Croatian


eh, Croatian/Scythian same differnce
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#20 Sep 19 2006 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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I had to learn how to tie a half Windsor back as a Brownie. Few years later the Girl Scouts went to using snaps on the back of the Brownie Uniform tie.

I blame much of the dumbing down of American kids, due to parents who want to make it easy for them to get dress. When was the last time anyone needed to use a button hook to fasten their shoes, always wore a hat in church and own several pairs of white gloves.

Now when in this much pain, I am lucky not to need help getting dress. Not even sure I would have gotten back home today if my son-in-law hadn't taken the time from work to get me.

I'm here to pad my post count, not to make sense.

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#21 Sep 19 2006 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I am a male and yes, I do: 18 (56.2%)



Being in the military though, it's a requirement. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't have known to be perfectly honest.
#22 Sep 19 2006 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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I know how to tie a neck tie and my husband does not. It got to be a pain in the *** as he had to wear one when his band played. After trying to teach him a simple knot for months, I finally gave up and created one showing him how to pull it loose and then tighten it. He now has one permanantly tied.
#23 Sep 19 2006 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I can accomplish the half windsor, although I typically do not put the effort into it and just do a quick knot for whatever purpose I am doing.
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#24 Sep 19 2006 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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#25 Sep 19 2006 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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I'm a little suprised that any man worth his salt could reach his 20's and not know how to tie a tie.
Disgusting, i'nit?

I can do all three, though I tend to gravitate more towards the four-in-hand because it creates a smaller knot that looks better to me. Sometimes it might take me a try or two depending if I misgauge the length.
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Elne, you just gave me my new sig.


Thanks, I was looking for new sig matterial too.
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