I'm apologizing for what now?Follow

I didn't quote Al-Jazeera. I quoted a reader comment. With the story itself, I just had to laugh seeing the story skewed to get the other side of the world fired up, just like I laugh when I see American news orgs doing the same.

Different color, same dog.

Nope. Its definately mostly Hindu. By a large margin.

And as far as the OP goes. Id just like to point out that Catholisism doesn't exactly have a clean slate when it comes to spreading Gods word by the sword.

They are (pretty much), all as bad as each other when it comes to claiming with absolute certitude that they are 'right' and the rest of us are destined to burn in some imaginary hell.

Granted the American press sucks and perhaps your right we don't get a good view of internal pressure being brought down on the radical elements of the Muslim world.

But that just plays to my original point, not coddling the radical elements of the Muslim world gives the internal moderating elements a chance to point out that burning and rioting isn't going to change anything.

Give these guys fifty people in the press to protest a week and at the very lest they'll run out of things to burn. Rioting on the streets is a good gig if you can make a living at it, but something tells me they're not getting paid to do that. We should just use fatigue to our advantage. One riot a week is entertainment, fifty is a freaking job and I don't care how much the mullah wants me out there I'd better be getting paid.

Let's face it, we're not going to do the right thing and build up their economics to off set some pretty high unemployment numbers in various regions. Or try to view the region's problems with anything like a balanced viewpoint. Might as well treat them as adults and tell them to get the hell over it.

Zium

None of that had jack to do with my statement.

Unless you can find me an example of modern Catholics rioting at the mention of old transgressions, you're missing the mark.

Good thing you auto-translated that one.

Was it Halal?

Now technically, I'm askew. Is that Cloven hoof or not?

Because that kings remark was dead on.

I take it you disagree.



- - whoa now that is super offensive. Someone better riot.





Whoa heaven forbid someone should give their honest opinion about a barbaric religion. **** off red.




Edited, Sep 19th 2006 at 10:03am EDT by Abadd

A bunch of lunatics threatening death because a doctor performs abortion. Laboratories being bombed, doctors threatened with death, because they perform animal testing. Rioters taking to the street every 1st May throwing bricks in shops and avocating violence agaisnt capitalists.

I'm not saying it's exactly the same. I'm not saying it's right. Just that there is an industry of "getting outraged". And that, unfortunately, Muslims are the prime consumer of this industry.

You have to put in into context. The Muslims that protest do not protest over this single issue, but about what they see as a conituous fight from teh West against islam. A fight whose every action is monitored by the people who benefit from it. This, like the cartoons, is just further "proof" to them.

Second, 1.6 billion Muslims. How many does it take to burn a flag in front of an embassy and chant "Daeth to the infidels"? 30? 50? 100?




Come on man. Unless the pope has been in a coma for the last 20 years, he would know full well that quoting a guy to say that Islam is a religion of violence and oppression was bound to cause anger and resentment. You knew it, I knew it, every person with a shred of intelligence would know that making a public statement like this would cause a ruccus in Muslim countries.





Nothing justifies what the protesters say. It's incitement to racial hatred, and it's wrong.

But the Pope is the religious leader of a lot of people, so he can't resposibly say "Islam sucks cock". Or if he does, it's not very professional, and people should expect their religious leader to have a bit more dignity, tolerance, and compassion, rather than stirring **** up for no reason.



Is it not true?



How do you know they are not? What makes you think this is the mainstream view? Are the majority of Muslims screaming "Death to the Infidels"?

Secondly, what are moderates supposed to do? Go up to the mob, confront it, and get killed? Go to the state-controlled media and ask for an interview? Blog on the web? Book a slot at CNN?

I'm asking genuinely by the way. I really don't know what moderates are supposed to do in countries where people carry guns openly, are not afraid to use them, and where the media is either non-existant or state-controlled.

Also, we have to keep in mind that many of these governments turn a blind eye, when they are not actively encouraging, these protests because it deflects tensions and attention on domestic issues.




I completely agree. But whose job is it? Akhmed Average? Should he go to the Danish embassy and scream at the angry AK-carrying mob that they are not being civilised?

The media? When they are not state-controlled, they often lead under fear of extremists. A lot more than you and me, cos these nutjobs live on their doorsteps. Fatwas are common place. The problem is that the fanatics are armed and not afraid to use them, whereas the "moderates" are not.

The governemnt? Hell, when they don't actively stoke up the protests, they just let it happen. It's great for them. And many of thiose governemtns are anti-Western themselves or non-existant. When they are pro-Western, it would be political suicide to ask them to prevent Muslims from protesting.

I agree with the idea. But it's so easy to tell moderate Muslims "Sort this **** out" and then wash our hands. We don't live amongst them. They are not our next door neighbour.

If I was a moderate Muslim with a family, would I go to the embassy, and tell the angry, armed and rioting mob to chill out and stop being so mean? Hell no. I would stay home, keep providing for my family, and hope that the Pope stops saying muslims are all murderers.

Red , since you are all knowing, can you explain to me how Islam is NOT a religion of oppression and violence?



...or is being afraid of a woman with an edcuation, and no bag on her head, a sign of enlightenment?

Edited, Sep 19th 2006 at 10:40am EDT by Abadd

Where are the average joes to condemn this crap then, Red? Where are the "peaceful" leaders of Islam to say " stop ******* things up for us?" ?