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#127 Sep 15 2006 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
Didnt read many of the posts because they seemed hatefull, but being a smoker, and this is just my opinion think what u want, thats your right. But I grew up a non-smoker tell i was a junior in highskool, my girlfriend at the time smoked so naturally I started up to like a DORK rofl, I know how distusting it used to be trying to eat dinner or whatever and that nasty taste is just filling your every breath.

But I smoke now so thats a mute point, if u have any shred of human decency you wouldnt do this anyway, let alone it has to me made a Law before ppl catch on.

I mean i know smokers feel 2nd hand isnt as bad or whatever, but children arent even old enough to know anybetter or even care at all what 2nd hand smoke does to them.

I remember my 1st day at my current job, the owner acsed if I minded that he had a cigarette right here ( in our office, a 15x25 room), thats called RESPECT, a think 95% of people today lack.
#128 Sep 16 2006 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
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Metalhedd wrote:
I remember my 1st day at my current job, the owner acsed if I minded that he had a cigarette right here ( in our office, a 15x25 room), thats called RESPECT, a think 95% of people today lack.


Yep, that guy rules. Smiley: laugh

Edited, Sep 16th 2006 at 9:59am EDT by Tare
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#129 Sep 16 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
Metalhedd wrote:
But I smoke now so thats a mute
See what we are doing? Exposing these children to smoke will destroy their vocal cords!
#130REDACTED, Posted: Nov 27 2006 at 3:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is just a cut and paste of two replies I made from OOT about a related issue. I'm only here because this post was linked from OOT, so you can say whatever you like to me in response... I probably won't ever see it.
#131 Nov 27 2006 at 4:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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It was a good idea to come and necropost an old argument in the Asylum because this was linked why? I get it that youre arguing it over in the sandbox, but this debate was hashed out months ago here. Keep it in the sandbox where the arguments going on
#132 Nov 27 2006 at 4:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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#135 Nov 27 2006 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
I have yet to meet anyone who has been fined for any obsure smoking law. Just another damn thing to slow state legislation on real issues.
#136 Nov 28 2006 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry to bump it again, but this:

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You fail to miss the point I think. It's not just about YOU.


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#137 Nov 28 2006 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
Samira wrote:
Sorry to bump it again, but this:

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You fail to miss the point I think. It's not just about YOU.


...deserved to be seen!


Smiley: laugh

That's a good one.
#138 Nov 28 2006 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, I know that I'm a little late in reading this; however as a parent and an asthmatic, and unfortunately a resident of California >.< I have a slightly different perspective.

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The California State Senate voted 23-14 Monday, to pass a bill banning smoking in vehicles when there are children present who are required by law to be in a safety seat. Kids who are 6 years old and under and weigh less than 60 lbs. will be protected by this new bill, the idea being to shield those children who are too small to protect themselves against the dangers of second hand smoke. The smoking ban, in a bill by Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, would cover vehicles carrying children who were required to ride in a child safety seat.


This new bill and law is for the small children. This means those that are under the age of 6 and weigh less than 60-lbs. The effects of second hand smoke on a child are devistating!

Yes, CA has laws banning smoking in restraunts, bars, all public buildings, 15-20' around the entrance to any public building, taxis, mass-transit, etc. Is this a little much? Maybe. However I have yet to see a police officer give someone a ticket for standing too close to a door way to a public shop or other facility where the smoker is infringing upon the 15-20' distance that they must maintain. But California also has mulitple laws for air pollution that are not just state laws but also federal laws.

Now, yes in a way the smoking in a vehicle which is private property can be considered an invasion of privacy. But if an officer sees a car seat or child in your vehicle and sees you with a cigarette, he has probable cause. The officer most likely would have probable cause if he saw that your car had "hazy" windows. Current law for police officers is that if you are driving erratically they have probable cause to pull you over and to do a field sobriety test. If they pull you over for speeding and notice a peculiar smell eminating from your car they have cause to investigate. And they easily get you to agree that they can look in you vehicle by asking the simple question of "Can I take a look in your car?" The only requirement that is made of an officer is that if he/she suspects that the smell is from an illegal substance they are to radio in for assistance with the request of a dog.

But the main factor that I see behind this bill is a movement by the Health Care Organizations. They have gotten tired of seeing a large influx of young children coming into the emergency rooms who can not breathe easily. The first thing that is done to a child when they are brought into an ER for this is for them to exhale into a machine thru a flowmetre (which measures their lung capacity) and for them to be hooked up to an O2 saturation machine (finger clip that checks just how much oxygen you are actually getting each time you take a breath). Most children are not born with asthma it is something that they develop due to their environs. Hospital officials and lawmakers both know from research that 1 in 4 urban children will develop asthma and that cigarette smoke is the leading factor to its development.

But if you thing about this bill in a differnt light of that by choosing not to smoke around your children you are ensuring that they have a better chance of surviving you. That you will be helping to keep hospital insurance costs down because you will be decreasing the number of office visits for smoking related causes, etc.

Some common triggers for Athma include:

* Colds
* Molds and fungi
* Pollens (from trees, grasses, weeds)
* Dust and dust mites
* Furry or feathered pets (e.g., cats, dogs, birds)
* Cockroaches
* Exercise (e.g., running)
* Cigarette smoke and air pollution
* Strong smells (e.g., exhaust fumes, perfumes, cleaning products)
* Changes in weather
* Foods such as nuts, shrimp, and those containing sulfites
* Medicines that may cause an allergic reaction such as aspirin or ibuprofen

As I said to begin with I am an asthmatic. For me, it is triggered by pollens, cigarette smoke, and strong smells.

I try to avoid being in places where people congregate to have their quick nicotine fix. If I can't avoid the area I try to hold my breath as long as I can while quickly moving thru the area. But there is nothing that can be done if you work in a cubical and one of your office mates thinks that it's a good idea to douse themselves in parfume after every cigarette break because they can't smell just how much they already have on. Now if only there was a bill to stop those girls at the parfume counter from trying to spray you with that stuff as you walk by.

Personally, I don't have a problem with someone wanting to smoke. It's their health that they are degrading. I do have a problem if they insist upon having that smoke and continuously blow their foul smoke in my direction. As a parent of two young boys, my husband and I have discussed what smoking does to the body and how it can and would affect them. (They are 8 and 5 yrs. old.) Since both of my boys love sports and they are really rather attentive to seemingly everything, I don't have a problem explaining this type of stuff to them. Even if I do have to go into massive detail and explain it several times. For some reason the, "It's bad for you, and not something that I would want you to do." explaination doesn't work with them.

In the case of vehicles, the best thing about a new car is that it smells CLEAN! If the car is smoked in the nicotine residue settles and lingers in the vehicle. And the only ways I know of to get rid of that smell is to steam clean the car from top to bottom or to just get a different car that hasn't been smoked in. That same smell or odor clings to the clothing of people who smoke or who are around it. It is also secreted by the smoker, second-hand smoker as well, when they sweat as their body is trying to detoxify itself.

As adults, we have the right to make certain decisions that affect our health and well being. As children we generally didn't have the ability to make those decisions for ourselves. As a parent I'd like my kids to be kids for as long as they can and not have to worry about these types of things. But I am also not one to side-step around the issue when they come to me asking questions.

#139 Nov 28 2006 at 9:56 PM Rating: Good
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RayneKitty wrote:
But the main factor that I see behind this bill is a movement by the Health Care Organizations. They have gotten tired of seeing a large influx of young children coming into the emergency rooms who can not breathe easily. The first thing that is done to a child when they are brought into an ER for this is for them to exhale into a machine thru a flowmetre (which measures their lung capacity) and for them to be hooked up to an O2 saturation machine (finger clip that checks just how much oxygen you are actually getting each time you take a breath). Most children are not born with asthma it is something that they develop due to their environs. Hospital officials and lawmakers both know from research that 1 in 4 urban children will develop asthma and that cigarette smoke is the leading factor to its development.


As long as we're rehashing this...

Explain to me how the rate of smokers and smoking has gone down but the rate of people with asthma is increasing.

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Some common triggers for Athma include:

* Colds
* Molds and fungi
* Pollens (from trees, grasses, weeds)
* Dust and dust mites
* Furry or feathered pets (e.g., cats, dogs, birds)
* Cockroaches
* Exercise (e.g., running)
* Cigarette smoke and air pollution
* Strong smells (e.g., exhaust fumes, perfumes, cleaning products)
* Changes in weather
* Foods such as nuts, shrimp, and those containing sulfites
* Medicines that may cause an allergic reaction such as aspirin or ibuprofen



Ah HA! Clearly we're not banning enough crap! Cut down all the trees, kill all the plants. It's for the children! No more perfume or cleaning supplies (haven't figured out how this is going to help with the roaches, but I have faith).

Children shall NEVER exercise again - it's bad for them - causes asthma.

All nuts, shellfish and sulfites shall be criminalized! And medicine too!

Now, if only the evil genius will get to work on that weather machine, we'll never see another case of asthma again...


Edit: And you'd better take that "kitty" out of your name. Kittens cause asthma.



Edited, Nov 29th 2006 1:02am by Celcio
#140 Nov 28 2006 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Some common triggers for Athma include:

* Colds
* Molds and fungi
* Pollens (from trees, grasses, weeds)
* Dust and dust mites
* Furry or feathered pets (e.g., cats, dogs, birds)
* Cockroaches
* Exercise (e.g., running)
* Cigarette smoke and air pollution
* Strong smells (e.g., exhaust fumes, perfumes, cleaning products)
* Changes in weather
* Foods such as nuts, shrimp, and those containing sulfites
* Medicines that may cause an allergic reaction such as aspirin or ibuprofen



How the FUCK does a cockroach cause asthma?

Edited, Nov 28th 2006 10:04pm by Rimesume
#141 Nov 28 2006 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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Rimesume the Shady wrote:
How the FUCK does a cockroach cause asthma?


They're heavy smokers, you know.

#142 Nov 28 2006 at 11:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rimesume the Shady wrote:
How the FUCK does a cockroach cause asthma?
You ever try to breath with a lung full of cockroaches?
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#143 Nov 29 2006 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Rimesume the Shady wrote:
How the FUCK does a cockroach cause asthma?
You ever try to breath with a lung full of cockroaches?



Define "Roach", and I might be able to answer.
#144 Nov 29 2006 at 12:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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#145 Nov 29 2006 at 12:53 AM Rating: Decent
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How'sbout I define "****"?


Not so much, no.
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