5 years anniversary, and all we've had is a crappy 5 year-old video, and some rubbish message from the AQ number 2.
And yet, nothing from Bin Laden himself. Isn't that strange from a guy who never misses an opportunity for PR?
I think it's quite likely he is dead/fatally injured. I can't see why else they wouldn't release, at least, an audio tape of him.
I took the tube to work this morning during rush hour, and the carriage was almost completely empty. Usually, we're packed like sheep on our way to the slaughterhouse. Strange.
And there hasn't been a single attack on US soil in those five years. Quite an achievement. I'm not sure if it's because AQ is too busy in Iraq, becasue the Security Services are doing a great job, or because AQ is not all that it's cracked up to be. Maybe a combination of the three.
So anyway, just to let you know we think of you guys here in the Old Continent.
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I think he is alive, they would consider it a pr victory if he died before we caught him.
There was rumor back during the 9/11 time, that Bin Laden was seriously ill. Diabetic with failing kidneys if memory serves. If that's the case, he very well could be dead.
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He is probably in a pretty Shitty state and maybe being on film would show him as weak. He was diabetic correct?
he is not important. the whitehouse even disbanded the team of people dedicated to finding him.
Hussin however, could have single handedly destroyed our country.
the moral majority working hard for you.....
Hussin however, could have single handedly destroyed our country.
the moral majority working hard for you.....
shadowrelm wrote:
Hussin however, could have single handedly destroyed our country.
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
fhrugby the Sly wrote:
I think he is alive, they would consider it a pr victory if he died before we caught him.
I was watching a news report this morning where they highlighted the 9/11 Commission's report on our security measures, and they all got ****-poor grades, like F's and C's. However, Bush's 'tude got a solid B. While I joked that this must have been what his college grades looked like, I was troubled by the fact that the most recent attack that was attempted that would have involved US citizens was not stopped by US, but by our pals over the pond, and terrorists have struck in Mumbai, England, and Spain. Maybe it just hasn't been our turn yet.
That said, I think the Sadaam thing, while morally sound (but not more so than say, Somalia), wasn't necessary as a direct path to achieving what we were trying to do immediately post 9-11, ie, trace Al-Queda to their source and off Bin Laden.
That said, I think the Sadaam thing, while morally sound (but not more so than say, Somalia), wasn't necessary as a direct path to achieving what we were trying to do immediately post 9-11, ie, trace Al-Queda to their source and off Bin Laden.
Kastigir wrote:
There was rumor back during the 9/11 time, that Bin Laden was seriously ill. Diabetic with failing kidneys if memory serves. If that's the case, he very well could be dead.
No rumor, that's verified. Unfortunatly his personal doctor was apperently able to pull off a sucessfull kidney transplant about 2 years ago, at least according to the doctor, who was captured about a year back.
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
I was troubled by the fact that the most recent attack that was attempted that would have involved US citizens was not stopped by US, but by our pals over the pond
Maybe it was stopped by the Brits because the terrorist plot was staged in, you know, Britain.
That attempt was the closest they could come to hitting the U.S and it still failed.
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Kastigir wrote:
There was rumor back during the 9/11 time, that Bin Laden was seriously ill. Diabetic with failing kidneys if memory serves. If that's the case, he very well could be dead.
No rumor, that's verified. Unfortunatly his personal doctor was apperently able to pull off a sucessfull kidney transplant about 2 years ago, at least according to the doctor, who was captured about a year back.
Wonder if that was a voluntary donation.
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Maybe it was stopped by the Brits because the terrorist plot was staged in, you know, Britain.
That attempt was the closest they could come to hitting the U.S and it still failed.
That attempt was the closest they could come to hitting the U.S and it still failed.
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
I was watching a news report this morning where they highlighted the 9/11 Commission's report on our security measures, and they all got ****-poor grades, like F's and C's. However, Bush's 'tude got a solid B. While I joked that this must have been what his college grades looked like, I was troubled by the fact that the most recent attack that was attempted that would have involved US citizens was not stopped by US, but by our pals over the pond, and terrorists have struck in Mumbai, England, and Spain. Maybe it just hasn't been our turn yet.
That said, I think the Sadaam thing, while morally sound (but not more so than say, Somalia), wasn't necessary as a direct path to achieving what we were trying to do immediately post 9-11, ie, trace Al-Queda to their source and off Bin Laden.
That said, I think the Sadaam thing, while morally sound (but not more so than say, Somalia), wasn't necessary as a direct path to achieving what we were trying to do immediately post 9-11, ie, trace Al-Queda to their source and off Bin Laden.
Why are we held responsible for this "recent attack" considering it would have been a British flight leaving from a British airport, exploding over the vast Atlantic ocean?
You can't believe that a U.S. agency should know how to stop that. Especially without violating that all important life-giving Privacy we hold so near and dear.
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Why are we held responsible for this "recent attack" considering it would have been a British flight leaving from a British airport, exploding over the vast Atlantic ocean?
It was based out of Britain, and so the work was done there in cooperation with them. If you're referring to the 9/11 report, it came out long before, so I'm not sure how it could hold anyone responsible for something that happened long after. Also, the planes were supposed to blow up over US territory, not the ocean.
As for status of our intelligence, my whole point was to say that we haven't been tested on our soil as of yet, so we really can't say. I for one still have no idea what I could do in the event of an attack that would differ in any great way from what thousands of others would do, which is pretty much run for the hills.
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Why are we held responsible for this "recent attack" considering it would have been a British flight leaving from a British airport, exploding over the vast Atlantic ocean?
You can't believe that a U.S. agency should know how to stop that. Especially without violating that all important life-giving Privacy we hold so near and dear.
Hmmm. Cos the destination was the US, maybe?
But you're right, I'm sure the US agencies are completely unaware of anything related to planes entering its territory. It's got absolutely nothing to do with them. And how could they? It's not like they have satellite systems, or can intercept phone calls/emails/pigeons all accross the world, or have agents in other countries, or do any cooperation with agencies from other countries.
No no, the US agencies deal exclusively within the US territory. Blindingly obvious.
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As for status of our intelligence, my whole point was to say that we haven't been tested on our soil as of yet, so we really can't say. I for one still have no idea what I could do in the event of an attack that would differ in any great way from what thousands of others would do, which is pretty much run for the hills.
How do you know? We haven't been tested in terms of stopping something mid-attack where the public and media would know? As far as I'm concerned, the fact that we have gone 5 years with no attack on our soil is pretty good evidence that something is working.
RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Why are we held responsible for this "recent attack" considering it would have been a British flight leaving from a British airport, exploding over the vast Atlantic ocean?
You can't believe that a U.S. agency should know how to stop that. Especially without violating that all important life-giving Privacy we hold so near and dear.
Hmmm. Cos the destination was the US, maybe?
But you're right, I'm sure the US agencies are completely unaware of anything related to planes entering its territory. It's got absolutely nothing to do with them. And how could they? It's not like they have satellite systems, or can intercept phone calls/emails/pigeons all accross the world, or have agents in other countries, or do any cooperation with agencies from other countries.
No no, the US agencies deal exclusively within the US territory. Blindingly obvious.
What the f'uck are you talking about? Sure they know that a plane is landing, or scheduled to land.
To think that we should be the primary intelligence system in a separate country is ridiculous. Now the U.S. should know every detail about every flight that leaves every country headed to the U.S.? How, pray tell, do you expect that to happen?
Sweet Jesus. Bona fide moran.
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Jawbox wrote:
Maybe it was stopped by the Brits because the terrorist plot was staged in, you know, Britain.
That attempt was the closest they could come to hitting the U.S and it still failed.
That attempt was the closest they could come to hitting the U.S and it still failed.
No, actually I meant intelligence-wise you ******** Most or all the plotters were British, living and plotting in England, and planning to board the flights in England. So is it really a shock to you that the Brits would be the primary investigators uncovering the plot and stopping it (with our help later)?
Jeez.
Jawbox wrote:
So is it really a shock to you that the Brits would be the primary investigators uncovering the plot and stopping it (with our help later)?
To answer your question directly, no. I never said it was a shock. I said it troubled me. Now if that bother you, you sentimental fool, I'm touched, but I still fail to see why it matters.
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Jawbox wrote:
So is it really a shock to you that the Brits would be the primary investigators uncovering the plot and stopping it (with our help later)?
To answer your question directly, no. I never said it was a shock. I said it troubled me. Now if that bother you, you sentimental fool, I'm touched, but I still fail to see why it matters.
Sentimental fool? The hell you on about? So what exactly troubles you again about a terrorist plot that was foiled? (yes, now I'm just being an obtuse cnut.)
Jawbox wrote:
So what exactly troubles you again about a terrorist plot that was foiled? (yes, now I'm just being an obtuse cnut.)
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Jawbox wrote:
So what exactly troubles you again about a terrorist plot that was foiled? (yes, now I'm just being an obtuse cnut.)
Yeah...stick it to em Flea.
Edited, Sep 11th 2006 at 12:33pm EDT by NephthysWanderer
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Yeah...stick it to em Flea.
Edited, Sep 11th 2006 at 12:43pm EDT by Atomicflea
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Yeah...stick it to em Flea.
Edited, Sep 11th 2006 at 12:43pm EDT by Atomicflea
Trying using a personal lubricant. I've heard that it cuts down on the friction and dryness.
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Yeah...stick it to em Flea.
Trying using a personal lubricant. I've heard that it cuts down on the friction and dryness.
I gotcha.The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Yeah...stick it to em Flea.
Trying using a personal lubricant. I've heard that it cuts down on the friction and dryness.
I gotcha.Like Joph isn't going to catch the wink. Way to go. Well....it was fun while it lasted.
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Like Joph isn't going to catch the wink. Way to go. Well....it was fun while it lasted.
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