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#1 Sep 08 2006 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is not a question of what you should do, but rather what you would do. Also, this is intended for our American readers so anyone from North Krazistan where they drive on the other side of the road can suck it.

You are making a left hand turn. You are in the left hand turn lane of a four-way intersection with a traffic light. As you approach the intersection, the left turn light goes out and changes to a solid green (there is no red arrow prohibiting turning at this point). You are the first car in the left hand lane.
Do you...
Stay behind the line and out of the intersection until traffic has cleared to turn left, waiting for the next green arrow if need be:14 (23.0%)
Pull out into the intersection, waiting for a chance to turn left and completing your turn on the red light if need be:46 (75.4%)
My mom won't let me drive yet:1 (1.6%)
Total:61


Edited, Sep 8th 2006 at 4:04pm EDT by Jophiel
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#2 Sep 08 2006 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Second one.
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#3 Sep 08 2006 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
Always the first for me.

Living in Texas has shown me that there are idiots in trucks (with cattle guards) that will be in the right hand lane and will still make a left hand turn. Edging out into the middle is just asking for trouble here :P

Edited, Sep 8th 2006 at 4:13pm EDT by Althrun
#4 Sep 08 2006 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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My answer depends on the intersection. Some I know it is safe to edge out and try to make it through (on the red if need be) and others that would be a death wish.
#5 Sep 08 2006 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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95% of the time I wait behind the line. There are just too many idiot drivers around here to make edging out into the middle worth it.
#6 Sep 08 2006 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know about where you live but in California if you tried to stay behind the line everyone behind you would the spend the entire green light leaning on their horns and the entire red light cussing you out.
#7 Sep 08 2006 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know about where you live but in California if you tried to stay behind the line everyone behind you would the spend the entire green light leaning on their horns and the entire red light cussing you out.


Yep.
That, and you would never make it through the light.
#8 Sep 08 2006 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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In VA, at least northern, I've never seen anyone wait behind the line, and I've never considered it. Cross the line and reserve your chance to turn.
#9 Sep 08 2006 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
You are making a left hand turn. You are in the left hand turn lane of a four-way intersection with a traffic light. As you approach the intersection, the left turn light goes out and changes to a solid green (there is no red arrow prohibiting turning at this point).
If there is no sign that says "left turn on left arrow only" or the like, and if the green traffic bulb is on the same signal head as the left turn arrow, then my understanding is that you can legally make your left turn whenever you find a gap in the oncoming through traffic.
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#10 Sep 08 2006 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
There should always be one car in the intersection waiting for the opportunity to turn left if there is a queue. That car has the right-of-way even if it has to wait until the light has turned red to turn left safely.

Additionally, there should only ever be 1 vehicle from that specific direction waiting inside the intersection for the turn. All others should remain behind the stop line. If they do not, this is considered lane-sharing and can be fined.

edit: Additionally, a green arrow or advanced green means that opposing traffic sees a red light. If it is no longer illuminated or flashing, then you stil have the right to be in ther intersection, but must yield the right-of-way to oncoming traffic.

This is the law in Ontario, and is taught in every Drivers' Ed program.

Edited, Sep 8th 2006 at 4:25pm EDT by Elderon
#11 Sep 08 2006 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Solid Green- A green light means “GO” but first give the right of way to any vehicle, bicyclist, or pedestrian in the intersection. If you are turning left, make the turn only if you have enough space to complete the turn before any oncoming vehicle, bicyclist, or pedestrian becomes a hazard. Do not enter the intersection if you cannot get completely across before the light turns red. If you block the intersection, you can be cited.


Not in the U.S.
#12 Sep 08 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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There should always be one car in the intersection waiting for the opportunity to turn left if there is a queue. That car has the right-of-way even if it has to wait until the light has turned red to turn left safely.

Additionally, there should only ever be 1 vehicle from that specific direction waiting inside the intersection for the turn. All others should remain behind the stop line. If they do not, this is considered lane-sharing and can be fined.

edit: Additionally, a green arrow or advanced green means that opposing traffic sees a red light. If it is no longer illuminated or flashing, then you stil have the right to be in ther intersection, but must yield the right-of-way to oncoming traffic.

This is the law in Ontario, and is taught in every Drivers' Ed program.



In Nova Scotia you can't enter an intersection unless you have clear passage through. Of course, no one ever pays any attention to that. Just another outdated law in a Province where backwards thinking is considered progressive.
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#13 Sep 08 2006 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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95% of the time I wait behind the line. There are just too many idiot drivers around here to make edging out into the middle worth it.
Correct driving habits notes that you should move slowly into the intersection and keep your wheels pointed forward until you are about to execute the turn. This is to ensure that if someone hits you from behind that you are not flung into oncoming traffic. Some people do remain behind the line for whatever reason, but for a driving exam you would be deducted marks.
#14 Sep 08 2006 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I didn't see an option for "Stomp on the gas pedal, lean on the horn, and flip the bird at anyone who looks your way as you scream through traffic on two wheels."
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#15 Sep 08 2006 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't see an option for "Stomp on the gas pedal, lean on the horn, and flip the bird at anyone who looks your way as you scream through traffic on two wheels."
I scream through traffic on two wheels all the time.. on my motorcycle.. Does that count? Smiley: grin
#16 Sep 08 2006 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
I didn't see an option for "Stomp on the gas pedal, lean on the horn, and flip the bird at anyone who looks your way as you scream through traffic on two wheels."


So you either drive in Cincinnati or Houston?
#17 Sep 08 2006 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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You know, I always assumed sitting in the intersection like that was illegal but the Illinois "Rules of the Road" study questions say...
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How should a driver proceed if within an intersection waiting to make a left turn and the traffic signal light turns red?

Wait until traffic is clear and then complete the turn
...which would imply that it's kosher.

I always creep into the intersection. Flea was suprised to see everyone here do it and said that it's done differently back in Virgina/DC. I was curious if it was a regional thing or par for the course across the great land.
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#18 Sep 08 2006 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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What usually happens around here, and with increasing frequency over the last decade, is that the car doesn't wait to make the left, he simply floors it when the light turns green and darts across the intersection before the oncoming traffic can start moving.

Which is clearly a violation of the whole "yield the right of way to oncoming traffic" idea, but I've seen it done a dozen times right in front of village, town, county and state cops, and didn't see any of the offenders pulled over.

#19 Sep 08 2006 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not saying that people around here don't wait in the intersection for a gap in traffic, just that I'm not usually comfortable doing it. And usually, the gap in traffic only comes after the light turns red, and with my luck, there's always a cop around.
#20 Sep 08 2006 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Always pull into the intersection. In fact, I make a habit of honking at people who don't.
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#21 Sep 08 2006 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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Depends on the intersection and whether you're in a City that has aggressive traffic.

Usually the first one if I'm not familiar with the City or intersection.

I still follow the rules my Grandfather taught me about driving.

1 - If you can't see, don't go
2 - Assume every other driver is a fUcking idiot
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#22 Sep 08 2006 at 4:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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King Nobby wrote:
Depends on the intersection and whether you're in a City that has aggressive traffic.

Usually the first one if I'm not familiar with the City or intersection.

I still follow the rules my Grandfather taught me about driving.

1 - If you can't see, don't go
2 - Assume every other driver is a fUcking idiot


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#23 Sep 08 2006 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
I always pull out.
#24 Sep 08 2006 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
I always pull out.


So I've heard...
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#25 Sep 08 2006 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Pull out into the intersection, waiting for a chance to turn left and completing your turn on the red light if need be




I call it "taking your lane"; in the state of California, they don't do this. I'm not a California driver, so when I do it people think I'm the crazy one. Smiley: motz
#26 Sep 08 2006 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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It is certainly not the thing to do so in my 'burb in Northern VA. In fact, my sister got sideswiped by some *** who darted accross after the light change.

I always drive defensively in intersections, especially when I have others in the car. I don't need to get anywhere as quickly as I need to stay alive.

Every time Joph creeps out my stomach turns. I suppose it's because I'd be the one hit, not him.

Edit: I had a friend in LA once who told me that by law there, since they don't have turn arrows, you can have up to three cars go after the light turns and it's ok under the law. Maybe that kind of thinking has crept accross the country, but unless it's common knowledge it still seems unsafe to me.

Edited, Sep 8th 2006 at 5:39pm EDT by Atomicflea
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