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#27 Sep 08 2006 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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You pedantic fucktwats.
No one owes you anything. If they are gracious friends and good people, they will offer you something over and above the money fronted, or a nice gift or check to show their generosity.

However, if they don't, they aren't dicks for it. They have no obligation to do so. Get over your sore asses and move on.
#28 Sep 08 2006 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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True, but wouldn't a decent human being at least offer you some money above and beyond what you leant them?
You'd hope so. But you can't control every social situation, only how you deal with it. If everyone acted as we wanted them to, we'd never have need to be gracious.

The $40 wasn't framed as an investment, it was given to the friend so the friend could have a good time. Then, all of a sudden once the friend wins, the dollar signs go off in your eyes and you start sticking your hand out and expecting (judging from responses) $500 to $750. I don't see that kind of envy and greed as anything other than ugly.
Well if you look at it like that. That's quite different from what I perceived BT's story to encompass. There is a difference between giving $40 to a real friend vs. $40 to a guy who you smoke pot with who is a freeloader. Big difference.
#29 Sep 08 2006 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
Sir Exodus, Eater of Cheese wrote:
I think the moral problem Eld and BT faced is determining what's a 'true friend' and what's an 'associate.'
Bang on. See previous post.
#30 Sep 08 2006 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
Sir Exodus, Eater of Cheese wrote:
I think the moral problem Eld and BT faced is determining what's a 'true friend' and what's an 'associate.'
Bang on. See previous post.


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#31 Sep 08 2006 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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I'd keep it all for myself. FUck everyone else, I can buy them.


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#32 Sep 08 2006 at 9:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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You pedantic fucktwats.
No one owes you anything. If they are gracious friends and good people, they will offer you something over and above the money fronted, or a nice gift or check to show their generosity.

However, if they don't, they aren't dicks for it. They have no obligation to do so. Get over your sore asses and move on.
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#33 Sep 08 2006 at 9:32 AM Rating: Default
Pics or it never happened!
#34 Sep 08 2006 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Your parents are obviously bad people for raising a whiny little bitCh like you. If it really means that much to you then kill yourself, that'd show 'em.
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#35 Sep 08 2006 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Mearyk wrote:
True, but wouldn't a decent human being at least offer you some money above and beyond what you leant them?
You'd hope so. But you can't control every social situation, only how you deal with it. If everyone acted as we wanted them to, we'd never have need to be gracious.

The $40 wasn't framed as an investment, it was given to the friend so the friend could have a good time. Then, all of a sudden once the friend wins, the dollar signs go off in your eyes and you start sticking your hand out and expecting (judging from responses) $500 to $750. I don't see that kind of envy and greed as anything other than ugly.


Grant it it's neither here nor there, but for sake of argument: If you were the person who borrowed the money, how would you handle it?

Edited, Sep 8th 2006 at 11:02am EDT by Mearyk
#36 Sep 08 2006 at 10:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Grant it it's neither here nor there, but for sake of argument: If you were the person who borrowed the money, how would you handle it?
It's easy to say I'd be generous but that's how I'd like to think I would handle it. I'd probably be more likely, however, to give my money away in the form of an expensive dinner and covering any expenses for the night than in just peeling off a couple of bills.

Really, that's the most I'd hope for from someone who borrowed money from me as well. As long as we're talking about "real friends", I'd be happier remembering "that time we went to the casino and you won and we blew like $250 on those steaks and drinks all night" than "the night you won and gave me $250 in cash".
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#37 Sep 08 2006 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
See I always thought it was common practice in my situation to cough up half the winnings if you're the one borrowing. With how much he won, I would have been happy with a lesser amount, I suppose, but had the tables been turned I would've given him half.

As for making a differention between him being a good pal or just an associate, well, the way I see it there are no free rides unless I'm putting my diCk in you. Yeah, I'm looking at you Aunt Esther, you blue-haired bitCh.
#38 Sep 08 2006 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey, I need to get in to this no lose gambling lending business. I lend you money, if you lose you pay me back, if you win you pay me half your winnings! Deal?

Basically, if when you lent the £40, you set the expectation that you wanted the money back whenever he could pay, then the £40 is HIS money in its entirity, and you have absolutley no claim over the winnings. If on the other hand, you set the expectation that the £40 was a gift then a good friend should always offer half of the winnings, or you should agree that up front.
#39 Sep 08 2006 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
Well then I guess Mom was right... communication is key.
#40 Sep 08 2006 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
Oh there was no expectation that he would pay me back if he lost, but on the same note, we never discussed what would transpire if he won, either. I just thought it was taken for granted in polite society that the fifty percent custom was in play. Just like spitting on it before penetration, it's just the right thing to do, in my book.
#41 Sep 08 2006 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
ewwwwww....


I think I would have atleast replaced what was loaned and then maybe gave a quarter of the winnings to the lender. I'm stingy like that though.
#42 Sep 08 2006 at 10:58 AM Rating: Default
About 7 years ago some friends decided to go to a nearby casino. I wasn't expecting to go with them until the last minute and only had $8 on me. At the end of the night I had ended up walking out of the casino with over $20,000. I was told it was only proper to give up half the cash I won to my friends since they paid for the gas ride up there. I had already given them $500 and felt that was more than enough for the ride, it's not like I borrowed any money from them to play on.

Some people are just greedy.
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
See I always thought it was common practice in my situation to cough up half the winnings if you're the one borrowing.
Maybe. I don't spend enough time gambling to be the Emily Post of the casino circuit.
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#44 Sep 08 2006 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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I wasn't expecting to go with them until the last minute and only had $8 on me. At the end of the night I had ended up walking out of the casino with over $20,000.
What did you play to win that?
#45 Sep 08 2006 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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About 7 years ago some friends decided to go to a nearby casino. I wasn't expecting to go with them until the last minute and only had $8 on me. At the end of the night I had ended up walking out of the casino with over $20,000. I was told it was only proper to give up half the cash I won to my friends since they paid for the gas ride up there. I had already given them $500 and felt that was more than enough for the ride, it's not like I borrowed any money from them to play on.

Some people are just greedy.


This armgument is moot and has no bearing on the original concern. Your friends did not lend you the money to gamble. They were going to the casino of their own accord and would have spent money on gas anyway. BT took his friend and leant him money to gamble. In your situation, I feel your compensation was plenty.
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
Bouldermoon wrote:
I wasn't expecting to go with them until the last minute and only had $8 on me. At the end of the night I had ended up walking out of the casino with over $20,000.
What did you play to win that?
"Give 400 Gamblers **** for $50 each"

He walked out with $20,008
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#47 Sep 08 2006 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
Bouldermoon wrote:
I wasn't expecting to go with them until the last minute and only had $8 on me. At the end of the night I had ended up walking out of the casino with over $20,000.
What did you play to win that?
"Give 400 Gamblers **** for $50 each"

He walked out with $20,008
Oh! I didn't realize it was one of Bodhi's socks. Shame on me.
#48 Sep 08 2006 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
The original poster is a bleading cnut, requiring no further discussion.

BT - If you didn't talk about it up front, tough sh;t. I bankrolled quite a few blackjack runs in my day, anywhere from $500 to $5000, and every one of them started with the discussion of my cut on a winning night. I never care about an early cash out on a winning streak, but if I gave a guy a grand he knew how much he would need to win to pay me out and keep playing. I never gave a sh;t about losing what I rolled, but I have cut people out of my life for welching. Any man not man enough to cover a debt is not worth having as a friend or acquaintance.
#49 Sep 08 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Default
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Elderon wrote:
Bouldermoon wrote:
I wasn't expecting to go with them until the last minute and only had $8 on me. At the end of the night I had ended up walking out of the casino with over $20,000.
What did you play to win that?
"Give 400 Gamblers **** for $50 each"

He walked out with $20,008
Maybe it was just 4 fat chicks for $5000 each.
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Your wishful thinking that if someday you were to win the Lotto doesn't translate to actual money, son. On the other hand, your parents who have disposable income have the option to gamble with what cash they have. All of this does not release you from your obligations to pay them back for the two thousand dollars you owe them. If, after you have shown enough work ethic to satisfy their desire to see you grow up and be reponsible with your money, they may forgive what debts you have towards them. But in the meantime, their fortune does not equate to it being your fortune.
Your absolutely right, but it still sucks that I've paid off $10,000 in debt in the last 2 years and now that I'm down to the last 2k before I'm debt free my parents decide to actively work at keeping me in the damn house. How is that not responsible?

Edited, Sep 8th 2006 at 1:03pm EDT by tommyhaynes
#50 Sep 08 2006 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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tommyhaynes wrote:

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Your wishful thinking that if someday you were to win the Lotto doesn't translate to actual money, son. On the other hand, your parents who have disposable income have the option to gamble with what cash they have. All of this does not release you from your obligations to pay them back for the two thousand dollars you owe them. If, after you have shown enough work ethic to satisfy their desire to see you grow up and be reponsible with your money, they may forgive what debts you have towards them. But in the meantime, their fortune does not equate to it being your fortune.
Your absolutely right, but it still sucks that I've paid off $10,000 in debt in the last 2 years and now that I'm down to the last 2k before I'm debt free my parents decide to actively work at keeping me in the damn house. How is that not responsible?

Edited, Sep 8th 2006 at 1:03pm EDT by tommyhaynes


The whole point of moving out of your parent's house is to be on your own. How is their paying your debt being on your own? If you was my kid I wouldn't give you a dime either. I might buy some nice gifts for christmas but that's as far as it would go. You need to learn some responsibility and get out of debt on your own not lean back on your parents because it isn't their debt it's yours. Get out of debt and move out, that's about the only thing that will show your parents that you are responsible enough to make it on your own. How do you expect to live on your own if you can't hack it living with them? Grow up and grow out.
#51 Sep 08 2006 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
Since when did being debt-free become a prerequisite for living on your own? And how are your parents actively keeping you in the house? By not forgiving your debt? They just recognize the immaturity in you and know that if they removed your excuse for not getting out from under their wing you'd end up blowing fifteen teen boys in the basement for lunch money, and they want you to be respectable.
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