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#1 Sep 07 2006 at 12:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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TAXING unhealthy foods in a bid to put the brakes on the obesity epidemic would be ineffective, inefficient and unfair to the poor.

Access Economics health expert Lynne Pezzullo said the growing clamour from health experts for a so-called "fat tax" was misguided and would hurt the poor much more than it would hurt the rich.

Low-income people who were not obese would suffer unduly as a result, she told an international obesity conference in Sydney.

A "fat tax" also incorrectly assumed that the type of food consumed was the problem rather than the amount of food - a point that was also made this week by federal Health Minister Tony Abbott, who said there was nothing wrong with the occasional "treat".


Perhaps it's educating people on how to manage their pocketbook that would help the most?

A large bag of chips is $3
I can easily put together a really good meal for $3 for myself. If I have to, I can really easily live off of $5/day worth of food and eat really well. You just have to be smart about it.

Saying that taxing chips and ho-hos and stuff is going to hurt the poor is a load of ****. The gov't here racks in the cash on other luxury items like cigs and liquor. Might as well add it to junk food too!
#2 Sep 07 2006 at 12:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I concur. My roommates are alays broke, and there's never any preparable food in the house. They tend to live off of $5 italian fast-food deliveries each meal. Hell, $5 is a week's worth of breakfast for me.
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#3 Sep 07 2006 at 3:36 AM Rating: Default
I junk food taxed your mum last night in bed.
#4 Sep 07 2006 at 4:02 AM Rating: Decent
Maybe they should do reverse Special Offers.

Buy 3 bags of chips, get the fourth for twice the price!



Or maybe they could just have nutritional classes in school. But I guess that's a bit too simple a solution.
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Saying that taxing chips and ho-hos and stuff is going to hurt the poor is a load of sh*t.
That's not entirely true. How many poor people do you know? Out of them, how many would you figure have an IQ over 75? A lot of poor people are dumb as bricks or ******* insane so the idea of them having the ability to do things like simple math, budget management, and cooking anything other than Mac & Cheese or hot dogs is a little far fetched. It's a bit of a misnomer really, they should have said it will hurt the stupid, of which the poor are often just a byproduct.
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Saying that taxing chips and ho-hos and stuff is going to hurt the poor is a load of sh*t.
That's not entirely true. How many poor people do you know? Out of them, how many would you figure have an IQ over 75? A lot of poor people are dumb as bricks or batsh*t insane so the idea of them having the ability to do things like simple math, budget management, and cooking anything other than Mac & Cheese or hot dogs is a little far fetched. It's a bit of a misnomer really, they should have said it will hurt the stupid, of which the poor are often just a byproduct.
Not the content as much of the tone of this makes me smile.
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Sadly, most of the food in Australia is junk. About the only places I enjoyed eating out at (restraunts) while I was there were the Oriental places. Also, there were a few decent Italian joints. Most of the rest weren't that good.

The Aussies seemed to be facinated with meat pies. Those things were loaded with fat and cholesterol. As was most of the other foods they ate a lot of.
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Kakar the Vile wrote:
Sadly, most of the food in Australia is junk. About the only places I enjoyed eating out at (restraunts) while I was there were the Oriental places. Also, there were a few decent Italian joints. Most of the rest weren't that good.

The Aussies seemed to be facinated with meat pies. Those things were loaded with fat and cholesterol. As was most of the other foods they ate a lot of.


That article just happened to be about Australia, but a lot of other countries are thinking about it (or being lobbied to think about it).
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First Fuzzy Peach Candy, now junk food taxes?

I bet you're fat.
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I bet you're phat.


FTFY

And thank you!
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
I bet you're phat.


FTFY

And thank you!


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#13 Sep 07 2006 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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This is a pretty good idea, hopefully one day Canada will do the same.
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#14 Sep 07 2006 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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Just pointing out "ho-ho's and chips" is misleading. For example, if you compared the price for a loaf of Wonderbread to the price of a loaf of bread that is healthy according to whatever the newest fad is, there will be a rather lrage difference.

Being skinny is the new sign of wealth, since you not only have the money to afford the time to exercize, but you have the funds to buy the healthiest food out there.
#15 Sep 07 2006 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
PsiChi, just to point out fad diets are not the only way to lose weight, proper eating and moderation works as well as or better then any fad diet. As does turning off the TV and walking.


As far as making a junk food, I am all for it. It is just like cigarette and alcohol taxes, they only affect those that choose to partake in that vice. No one has to eat junk food, there are plenty of healthy alternatives out that are not expensive. It wont hurt the poor except make them choose quick fast food, or taking a couple of minutes to make something healthy.
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What's wrong with Mac & Cheese, every once in awhile? Especially if you put broccoli, and some ground beef in it...
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Just pointing out "ho-ho's and chips" is misleading. For example, if you compared the price for a loaf of Wonderbread to the price of a loaf of bread that is healthy according to whatever the newest fad is, there will be a rather lrage difference.

Being skinny is the new sign of wealth, since you not only have the money to afford the time to exercize, but you have the funds to buy the healthiest food out there.


The whole wheat bread that Wonderbread makes is the same price as the white. I buy the whole wheat.

I completely disagree with the needing money thing to stay healthy for both food and exercise. Personally, I eat well but not expensive. Probably my single biggest expense is all the milk I drink. Eating rice or potatoes instead of deep fried french fries, steamed veggies or boiled frozen veggies (because sometimes I'm lazy) instead of well, not eating them or whatever it is other people do and not eatting a massive helping of meat all make for a healthy meal.

As for exercise, it doesn't have to be expensive. You don't always have to set time aside for it either. Talk the stairs, walk a few blocks to the store, don't drive around forever to find the closest parking space, etc. Or, make a little time for it. Go for a walk around a few blocks after supper.

Saying that skinny is the new sign of wealth is miss leading and sounds like the converse is if you aren't wealthy you must be fat. Unless of course you mean super model skinny. Then I'd have to say switch wealthy for stupidty and you have that much right.

Oh, and about mac and cheese, I see you on that with broccolli and stuff. Although, I'm a fan of a box of KD, can of brown beans, stir in some hot dogs chopped up. Add in chili powder and you have yourself a meal of champions (with a side salad of course). Yup, and I eat the whole thing, too.
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PsiChi, just to point out fad diets are not the only way to lose weight, proper eating and moderation works as well as or better then any fad diet. As does turning off the TV and walking.

I never said that the fad diets are effective. I just said that the foods that cater to Atkins, South Beach, Weight Watchers, ect., will be more expensive than the generic version.


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Saying that skinny is the new sign of wealth is miss leading and sounds like the converse is if you aren't wealthy you must be fat. Unless of course you mean super model skinny. Then I'd have to say switch wealthy for stupidty and you have that much right.


While you are right to say that there is not a cause & effect relationship, do you not agree that those with a lower SES are more likely than someone with a higher SES to be fat?
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What's wrong with Mac & Cheese, every once in awhile? Especially if you put broccoli, and some ground beef in it...


There's nothing wrong with Mac & Cheese, it's potato chips and chocolate bars that are the culprits here.
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#20 Sep 07 2006 at 10:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah I dont think this tax on junk food would really work. I've heard recently that they will be taking out softdrinks from school canteens which I think is a good idea. Also they were talking about removing fatty foods from school canteens altogether. I think they are on the right track here and education at an early age would be a wise thing. I guess if you grow up eating junk food when you're young theres a good chance you'll continue to eat it.

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Sadly, most of the food in Australia is junk. About the only places I enjoyed eating out at (restraunts) while I was there were the Oriental places. Also, there were a few decent Italian joints. Most of the rest weren't that good.

The Aussies seemed to be facinated with meat pies. Those things were loaded with fat and cholesterol. As was most of the other foods they ate a lot of.


Where abouts in Australia were you? To be honest I don't think Australia has their own dish besides the meat pie or "3 veg and steak with mash potato". But we do have a wide range of food here as theres such a diverse culture.

Also theres a law that with our meat pies, they only have to be 15% real meat. So the rest can be fat and gristle :s A tip would be to go to the stores which specialise in meat pies. They are so tasty and nowhere near as crap as the others.
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