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#27 Sep 06 2006 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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I want my son to be happy, and I know that's not going to happen 100% of the time. But I hate it when I know in his mind that he's going to see me as the root of all his pissed off-edness. And I know as a parent, that's pretty much going to be your role, the cause of your child's unhappiness at times, but still it freaking sucks.
I knew a guy in school once that was the star of the football team, all-around likeable, and valedictorian of our class. He told me once that getting good grades was the simplest thing ever: You figure out what your teacher wants, and you do it.
There are kids that see authority as Opression, and your kid seems to be one of them.

I think it would help until you wait when he is calm and have a nice chat with him. Say you think he is an excellent athlete, and you know he loves it, but all his life he will have to do some things he's not so fond of to get to the things he likes, and this is one of them. Let him know that even if school is a means to an end for him, there are still rules that apply and he is no better than anyone else, and that when he throws fits and gets upset over things, it doesn't change anything, it just hurts him and makes him look like a spoiled brat. Let him know you are telling him this out of love, and it's on him to fix his behavior, but that you will punish him if he doesn't, and it's no one's fault but his own.

I'm sorry, Thumb. Must be hard with the hubby away. Can he call or something and back you up?
#28 Sep 06 2006 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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How come the teacher changed his grade from an F to a C? Thats a big jump in grades


The teacher didn't have all the grades inputted from the previous week, so once she got the last test and some of the classwork graded and put in, it raised it to a C. She put it as a borderline C, but it was enough for my son to pass.

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I think it would help until you wait when he is calm and have a nice chat with him. Say you think he is an excellent athlete, and you know he loves it, but all his life he will have to do some things he's not so fond of to get to the things he likes, and this is one of them. Let him know that even if school is a means to an end for him, there are still rules that apply and he is no better than anyone else, and that when he throws fits and gets upset over things, it doesn't change anything, it just hurts him and makes him look like a spoiled brat. Let him know you are telling him this out of love, and it's on him to fix his behavior, but that you will punish him if he doesn't, and it's no one's fault but his own.

I'm sorry, Thumb. Must be hard with the hubby away. Can he call or something and back you up?


I had that talk with him last night before bedtime. It was funny because he started waving his hand because he's heard this talk so many times before from his dad and me so I asked him "If you KNOW I'm going to say this, WHY don't you do it then?" Of course the answer was "I don't know." The hubby did call and he talked with our son about this also so our son does know that his coach, his parents and his teacher are all on the same wavelength and he might as well accept the rules.
#29 Sep 06 2006 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
You sound just like me so I can totally relate to what your going through. I too have a child with ADD she is 13 now but she was born 15 pre-mature and had a brain hemmorage that affected her attention. She is an absolutely normal 13 year old girl (hormones and all), but, She doesn't learn the way other kids do and yes she is on medication too and although it's a hard thing to admit that your child needs to be medicated to learn it does work. Let me tell you how I know this for sure. I live in Canada and I was lucky enough to find a developmental Peditrician that deals with this sort of thing all the time. We did a Ritalin Trial. We were given two identical bottles one marked A one marked B (one a real pill and one a placebo). I had to alternate bottles on a weekly basis and the school and I kept a journal about behaviour and attention and work and at the end of six weeks without a doubt I knew bottle B was the real pill. After that I put her on the medication and her marks have dramatically improved.

As for consequences, You go girl stick to your guns...we're all behind you and you are not alone. No matter how bad you feel right now, remember this is a stage all kids go through different stages and your son will grow out of it a better person cause he as you. You are definately a great mom because you have put your feelings aside and stepped up to the plate. Your kids come first in your world and that's whats gonna make them great adults. My daugher loses her internet for 2 days for every day she doesn't take her pill and in the last two months she hasn't missed one pill - discipline with love works. I hope you have some good support at home to help you, if not remember YOUR DOING A GREAT JOB!!
#30 Sep 06 2006 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
You're doing good, Mom. It's got to be rough to be the rock for your family, but you seem to be doing amazingly well. He'll grow up some day, have children of his own and he'll realize you were just trying to do what was best for him. Too many parents today (ie: my parents) dont push their children hard enough, they dont teach their children to own their lives. You will raise a well balanced child, no worries. He's hitting puberty and he's going to push his boundaries, you just have to let him know that if he pushes to much, you'll put a hot wire fence up his ***.
#31 Sep 06 2006 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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let him know that if he pushes to much, you'll put a hot wire fence up his ***.
Katie, sometimes you make me wonder.
#32 Sep 06 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
Only sometimes? Did I tell you about the time my brother and I were walking through Gebo's (farm and ranch store) and he decided to play with a cattle prod? He thought since they had them out for anyone to pick up that they wouldnt have batteries. I've never seen him hit the floor and cry so hard when he touched the tip of that cattle prod. Priceless. I wish I'd had a camera.


Ps. Who needs those underground fences when you can train your dogs not to leave your yard or train them to stay out of your garden by installing an electrical fence. My dogs are now terrorfied of anything even resembling white string.

Neph may shoot his dogs, I just electricute mine.

Edited, Sep 6th 2006 at 2:20pm EDT by Katie
#33 Sep 06 2006 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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Katie, sometimes you make me wonder if I'm gay.


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#34 Sep 06 2006 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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I knew a guy in school once that was the star of the football team, all-around likeable, and valedictorian of our class. He told me once that getting good grades was the simplest thing ever: You figure out what your teacher wants, and you do it.
There are kids that see authority as Opression, and your kid seems to be one of them.

I think it would help until you wait when he is calm and have a nice chat with him. Say you think he is an excellent athlete, and you know he loves it, but all his life he will have to do some things he's not so fond of to get to the things he likes, and this is one of them. Let him know that even if school is a means to an end for him, there are still rules that apply and he is no better than anyone else, and that when he throws fits and gets upset over things, it doesn't change anything, it just hurts him and makes him look like a spoiled brat. Let him know you are telling him this out of love, and it's on him to fix his behavior, but that you will punish him if he doesn't, and it's no one's fault but his own.

I'm sorry, Thumb. Must be hard with the hubby away. Can he call or something and back you up?
Listen to this woman. I seriously hope that your first response was a joke. A childs failures at that age are the failures of the parent. No, you can't control them and you can't dictate or micromanage every moment of their lives but what you can do is influence them in a positive way to help them make the right decisions.

I would strongly suggest you get a second opinion on your son's diagnosis and also have him checked for other learning disabilities. Honestly though, it seems as your kid is having a bigger problem with motivation than inspiration. Let me ask you, how many conversations have you had with his teachers concerning how much potential he has and how well he would do if he just applied himself? Think about how many times he's heard it all before, from damn near every authority figure in his life. There's a reason that message isn't getting across and it isn't because he's a fecking moran. It's frustrating as hell for all parties involved so don't forget that this is a stressful topic to him as well.

Is this his first year in sports? Same coach? Find out his relationship with the coach if it's the same coach he's had for a few years and see if he can have a solid heart to heart with him, sometimes a parental unit isn't in a position to deliver the message to a kid in a way which the child can relate. Another option to consider is trying to find him a mentor. Find out who his favorite teacher is and perhaps set something up where your son can talk to him about school issues. Counselors are generally **** at schools, don't waste your time. Have you noticed any correlation in his grades for those classes where he gets on better with the teachers?

Some kids just don't do well in the learning format used in public schools. Think about alternative methods for him to progress and try different techiniques until you find something that works. I can tell you right now that the more you push the issue and force him to continue down a path that obviously isn't working the worse the problem will get, especially as he moves into highschool and becomes more independant and rebellious.
#35REDACTED, Posted: Sep 06 2006 at 1:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jesus what p*ssies you all are. Are you going to drug your kid with steroids when he's not as big or strong as the opposition? Maybe if you pop your t*tty out the boys mouth and let him grow up he'll surprise you.
#36 Sep 06 2006 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
I could really go for some fried okra about now.
#37REDACTED, Posted: Sep 06 2006 at 2:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How about those razorbacks...man I was hoping they would do something other than get whipped like b*tches against usc. I guess their n*ggers just weren't big enough. No worries the Vols will show you how it's done soon enough. =)
#38 Sep 06 2006 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
A.D.D. >a.k.a.< Bad Parenting.
#39 Sep 06 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
We can resume this football discussion on November 12th.
#40 Sep 06 2006 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
Bull sh*t! While I do agree that 1/4 of ADD cases is just a child needing their asses beat, I don't believe that ADD is some made up illness. I do think it could help an ADD child to have parents who are active in their lives who dont rely on the school to "fix" their kids.



Edit!

Not implying Thumb is a slack jaw breeder who cant take care of her kids. I'm talking about Angry Hippo's kind of parents.

Edited, Sep 6th 2006 at 4:55pm EDT by Katie
#41REDACTED, Posted: Sep 06 2006 at 2:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) crescent,
#42REDACTED, Posted: Sep 06 2006 at 2:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Katie,
#43 Sep 06 2006 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
Bull sh*t! While I do agree that 1/4 of ADD cases is just a child needing their asses beat, I don't believe that ADD is some made up illness. I do think it could help an ADD child to have parents who are active in their lives who dont rely on the school to "fix" their kids.


I don't have numbers, and I'm not going to make them up to make a point. However, I've been around a truly hyperactive kid, and it's WAY more than just having trouble staying focused and paying attention. I think there's been a serious tendency to overdiagnose the condition just to give parents some kind of answer and a pill. I'd venture a guess that most of the kids currently on Ritalin for ADD just need a chance to go outside and blow off steam. /shrug
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#44 Sep 06 2006 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
OMG you must be joking right? This mother is doing everything the right way and your telling her she's a bad parent and should get her kid a video game? I think perhaps you may need some Ritalin...

There is a HUGE difference between ADD and ADHD. Thumbelyna's son is not focused at school she never said he had behavioral problems. She is not leaving it up to the school to fix her "problems" she has stepped up to the plate and taken an active role in trying to get her son focused on his education. God maybe you should read all of the post before you start making people feel bad.
#45 Sep 06 2006 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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God maybe you should read all of the post before you start making people feel bad.


Clearly you have no idea where you are.

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#46REDACTED, Posted: Sep 06 2006 at 3:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pinkylady,
#47 Sep 06 2006 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
Geez Aids isn't genetic either does that means it's not real?
#48 Sep 06 2006 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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This should be moderately entertaining.

Smiley: lol



Edited, Sep 6th 2006 at 4:48pm EDT by Tare
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#49 Sep 06 2006 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
The government made up AIDS in a failed attempt to keep minorities from having sex and reproducing. I thought everyone knew that?
#50 Sep 06 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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OMG you must be joking right? This mother is doing everything the right way and your telling her she's a bad parent and should get her kid a video game? I think perhaps you may need some Ritalin...

There is a HUGE difference between ADD and ADHD. Thumbelyna's son is not focused at school she never said he had behavioral problems. She is not leaving it up to the school to fix her "problems" she has stepped up to the plate and taken an active role in trying to get her son focused on his education. God maybe you should read all of the post before you start making people feel bad.
I'm sorry. I couldn't hold my attention for your entire post (I have ADD, ADHD, HIV and Run DMC), but your defence of Thumbelyna's son is admirable.

Now, the fact that he's destined for a life of crime and will almost certainly be no more than a drain on society is one thing. His inability to do anything more than wave at planes and breathe with his face submerged can in no way be attributed to in-breeding or Thumbelyna's violent and, frankly, perverted approach to parenting.

That his Mom is no more than a slovenly crack-ho (I've seen her walking to the liquor store in her slippers and hair-curlers) is pure coincidence.

We all love Thumbelyna. Especially those of us with fond memories of that alleyway and a nickel well-spent. Happy days.

I personally think that anyone here disrespecting her, or her kids, or her pimp or her crack dealer should be hounded out of here and sent straight to Forum=6969.

That said, I have an inkling that you are an fUcking cUnt.

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#51 Sep 06 2006 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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Thumb, this kind of sounds like what I went through with my oldest son. Teachers all said he was smart enough, he could do the work, he just *wouldn't*. Or did it half-assed. He was also diagnosed with ADD.

I did what you're doing now, in a sense. All the things he wanted were taken away from him until his grades improved. And he would do better for a while until he got what he wanted, then the grades would slip again.

I put him on the meds for a year, but it didn't help and I hated the thought of him being drugged like that. He was better off of them.

Anyway, once my son made it to high school, he was fine. It seems the lower grades "bored" him. Not that he's some super genius or anything, but he really wasn't being challenged enough. He's a sophomore now, and his grades are great.

I know this doesn't help you with your problem right now, but I'm just trying to give you some hope that maybe one day, he will eventually find his stride.
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