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#1 Sep 01 2006 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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So a while back Joph and I got in an accident, and when we contacted State Farm, they told us the lady who hit us was uninsured. That day I had gone into the ER and received treatment for a blow to the head, blurry vision and disorientation. They did a CT scan and said it was normal, but advised me that I may have other things show in months, if not years. I have not yet had my follow-up with my doctor, who said he will have to monitor my condition. In the meantime, I get a bill from the hospital for my co-pay and I pay it ($50). My insurance also sends me a letter to sign stating that I am not going to another insurance to claim for the same thing. Since, at this point, I have no other insurance to go to (besides Joph's), I sign it and consider the matter closed.

Late last week we get a chipper call informing us that the insurance has picked this lady back up and that they want to know what I have pending. I tell them the medical was covered under my insurance but the follow-up is still pending, and that I missed two days of work (one from my generic job and one from the side job) that I took without pay. They ask me for the sum total of missed wages, and say they'll send paperwork for my reimbursement.

I look at what they sent me in the mail and it is a long, verbose release of liablity for the other driver, her son, and all associated family, heirs and institutions for ANY AND ALL CLAIMS, INCLUDING INJURIES. No way José. If it means not getting my $350 I'll live, but I won't release this lady from jack. My sister in-law got convulsions from a blow to the head in a car accident, and they didn't show up until a couple of years later, and she had signed a release and so all medical treatment was on her. What happens if I just happen to not have insurance when this comes up?

I realize I may look greedy, but my health is worth more than gold, not to mention the State Farm lady NEVER brought this up to me on the phone. I'm waiting to hear what other offers she has, and see if I need to send in a letter stating that I am still under medical supervision, and will be until further notice. I still remember how scared I was, how helpless I felt, and I'll be damned if I don't cover my bases.

Edited, Sep 1st 2006 at 10:01am EDT by Atomicflea
#2 Sep 01 2006 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Holy cow, how sneaky of them to sort of just sneak that in there. That's rediculous.
#3 Sep 01 2006 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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Hoorah for close reading. Now send them a hearty GFY, Flea.
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#4 Sep 01 2006 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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Ha, you should have heard me call the SF rep. She wasn't at her desk, and I left her a pretty unfriendly message about how we had never discussed this letter and she muct have seen it, because it's the one with highlights for my signature in all the right places. I let her know off the bat I would not release her from future responsibility and what I did through my own insurance was a courtesy. If I have to go back and re-claim everything through them, I will, but I still won't release her from future liability.
#5 Sep 01 2006 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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Hoorah for close reading. Now send them a hearty GFY, Flea.


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#6 Sep 01 2006 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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I realize I may look greedy, but my health is worth more than gold, not to mention the State Farm lady NEVER brought this up to me on the phone. I'm waiting to hear what other offers she has, and see if I need to send in a letter stating that I am still under medical supervision, and will be until further notice. I still remember how scared I was, how helpless I felt, and I'll be damned if I don't cover my bases.

Aww hell the **** no, you did the right thing. There's nothing greedy at all about not letting someone off the hook for potentially ******** you over for the remainder of your life and there is nothing wrong with keeping your own best interests in mind when dealing with this lady's insurance company. **** them and **** her, you aren't the one who messed up. Give 'em hell.

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If I have to go back and re-claim everything through them, I will, but I still won't release her from future liability.
IIRC your insurance company should be willing and better equipped to deal with such things. They have more resources and more lawyers that get paid to do just that.
#7 Sep 01 2006 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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IIRC your insurance company should be willing and better equipped to deal with such things. They have more resources and more lawyers that get paid to do just that.
Maybe I'll call them. I'm sure they would want to save themselves any future billings.
#8 Sep 01 2006 at 9:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Send it back with the unacceptable parts scratched out, and tell them if they'll agree to your version you'll sign it. (Don't really sign it til you let a lawyer look at it, though.)
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#9 Sep 01 2006 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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No no no no no! Flea, DO NOT SIGN THAT. I cannot emphasize that enough. There is a statute of limitations for having a cause of action for your accident. You need to talk with an attorney about that as it can vary from state to state. The insurance company is only going to try to pay you for the actual damages you have suffered so far such as lost wages, medical and not a penny more. You are entitled to the special damages such as the inconvenience of what you have gone through and the emotional turmoil.

You let the State Farm adjuster and claims handler know that you are not in a position to sign ANYTHING and that when you do, it will be after the revew of an attorney.
#10 Sep 01 2006 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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One sentence of advice: CALL AN ATTORNEY.
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#11 Sep 01 2006 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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What state farm is probably afraid of is they have an uninsured motorist clause in their policies in most states, so if the other driver is unisured then State Farm assumes her liability up to the underinsured amount. You should be able to go see a neuroligist, bill it to the State Farms claim number at no cost to yourself, get a catscan, and get reimbursed from state farm for you travel expenses and missed work for all of that. Then you will know if you have any injury, which you may find even if the accident is not definetly the cause, and then have a claim against the woman and State Farm will have to pay for it.
#12 Sep 01 2006 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
State Farm is infamous for trying to ***** people. The government is now investigating them for ******** Katrina victims.

I would go with Darqflame's advice, call a lawyer. See if you can get a free consultation with one to find out your options.
#13 Sep 01 2006 at 11:25 AM Rating: Default
Please post offending insurance agent's phone number.

EDIT: Email Address, too.

Edited, Sep 1st 2006 at 12:25pm EDT by ForsytheFFXI
#14 Sep 01 2006 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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You are entitled to the special damages such as the inconvenience of what you have gone through and the emotional turmoil.

That kind of thinking makes me sick. I can understand reimbursement for tangible things (missed work, medical expenses, etc.), but getting paid because "your feelings got hurt" is idiocy.
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#15 Sep 01 2006 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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You are entitled to the special damages such as the inconvenience of what you have gone through and the emotional turmoil.

That kind of thinking makes me sick. I can understand reimbursement for tangible things (missed work, medical expenses, etc.), but getting paid because "your feelings got hurt" is idiocy.


Yeah, I tend to agree. There are exceptional circumstances, but some idiot running a redlight (assuming no loss of life or limb) doesn't quite qualify.
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#16 Sep 01 2006 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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You are entitled to the special damages such as the inconvenience of what you have gone through and the emotional turmoil.

That kind of thinking makes me sick. I can understand reimbursement for tangible things (missed work, medical expenses, etc.), but getting paid because "your feelings got hurt" is idiocy.


It's written into the law that way because of people that have been hurt seriously enough that they are entitled to the money because what they lost may not been regained. Would you be okay with just the actual damages from an accident if you lost your hand or ability to walk? The pain and suffering that you go through for something like this was not your fault and the law compensates for that. How about the aggravation of dealing with the police over the accident, the paperwork and just aggravation from dealing with the insurance company?

It's all a matter of degree in this. I'm telling Flea the exact same thing any attorney would tell her. It's up to her if she wants to claim the special damages (as they are called), but it's completely up to her. Some people decide not to pursue because they want they think is fair, but often afterwards, we get calls later that they think they were lowballed and we remind them of what they gave up and then they kick themselves for it.
#17 Sep 01 2006 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
Similar thing happened to me about 2 years ago. Uninsured drivers backed into my car door and thankfully, though stupidly on her part, left a note with her info. She didn't have insurance, nor did the owner of the car she was driving has insurance. The repairs cost over $2,500 since she twisted not only the door frame, but the frame of the car itself. I got my insurance company involves the moment she said she'd pay for any damages out of pocket. She then proceeded to come into my work and yell at me for being a racist (that's a story in and of itself).

And know on to the similar part. On the way in to get my car repaired at the shop, I got rear-ended by an another uninsured driver, who was here illegally, and thankfully AAA payed for the damages from the same uninsured driver coverage that was fixing my door. Thankfully, I only had a minor concussion from the steering wheel. The insurance company tried the same thing with me and I still haven't released her from responsibility. Thankfully a friend of mine was in the middle of law school at the time and when I asked him what he thought I should do, he sent me to his boss and he helped a lot! Darqflame has it right, go get an attorney, NOW!

Edited, Sep 1st 2006 at 12:46pm EDT by Wulelendamuwi

Edited, Sep 1st 2006 at 12:47pm EDT by Wulelendamuwi
#18 Sep 01 2006 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you think you could have worked a few more "thankfullys" into that spiel?
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#19 Sep 01 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
I'm sure I could give it a try! But, I was pretty thankful at the time.
#20 Sep 01 2006 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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I consulted a lawyer when this all started, because I was unsure of what to do. At that time, he pretty much told me that I didn't have a case, and that I should go through my insurance or Joph's and that's what uninsured motorist coverage was for. I'm not interested in suing for pain and suffering, since what I suffered was minimal and I don't have a personal vendetta. I just don't want to give up my future rights should I find out I'm epiliptic a month after I lose my job, and they trace it back to the blow to the head.
#21 Sep 01 2006 at 1:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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No reason you should give up any rights for a lousy $300 bucks. I'd tell them where to stick that paperwork and hope they get teh papercuts when they do!
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#22 Sep 03 2006 at 8:04 PM Rating: Default
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
So a while back Joph and I got in an accident. That day I had gone into the ER and received treatment for a blow to the head, blurry vision and disorientation.


My lady has found it useful to wipe the ***** off of her eyes after a blow to my head, that should help your blurry vision. As for the disorientation, slower up and down motion should alleviate that problem. Start out slow, not everybody can do it like the pros.
#23 Sep 03 2006 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
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My lady has found it useful to wipe the ***** off of her eyes after a blow to my head, that should help your blurry vision. As for the disorientation, slower up and down motion should alleviate that problem. Start out slow, not everybody can do it like the pros.

So was it your wife's real man toy that you blow to get a load in your face?

Edited, Sep 3rd 2006 at 9:11pm EDT by dirges
#24 Sep 03 2006 at 9:40 PM Rating: Decent
Flea as someone who works in insurance, though another country, if you inform your insurance company of the reason and hence why they are paying you their "profits" they will go after SF for you.

It is a legal requirement of subrogation, they will sue the people responsible for the loss, even if you won't. It is best to do everything for you and if you have a good insurer or a broker they will chase everything for you. They will also make file notes and keep records for you and if they are good make sure that you don't have to worry and they will do it for you.
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