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#1 Aug 29 2006 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
As the title says, how do they compare.
#2 Aug 29 2006 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Office 2003 professional has alot more advanced features and is generally in my experiance more stable. The "word" and "excel" components are about the same between the two though.

One note of interest, if you purchase the office 2003 student and teacher edition, you are legally allowed by microsoft (it's in the EULA) to install it on three computers, not just one. You lose microsoft Access, but if you have a multi computer household it's still cheaper to buy that and a seperate copy of access 2003
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#3 Aug 29 2006 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
Great. Thats what I wanted to know. Thank you.
#4 Aug 29 2006 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll defer to Kao on the particulars but I asked the same on another forum and was told that I wouldn't notice the difference except cosmetically. That was just a word processor comparison though, not spreadsheets etc.
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#5 Aug 29 2006 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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It was one thing when Office came loaded onto my computer, but I'll be damned if I'll pay for it. When I next upgrade my home PC, I'll find out.
#6 Aug 29 2006 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Having used both MS Office and Open Office in 2 different work environments, I prefer MS Office to Open Office. The usability of MS is just superior in my opinion. But then again, I've been using MS Windows since 3.0 so I guess I'm 'indoctrinated' into the MicroSurf way of thinking.
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I still use WordPerfect.

0ld skh00l 4tw!
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#8 Aug 29 2006 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
Meh, the school is recommending I get it and I was just wondering if I could save a few bucks by using open office instead.
#9 Aug 29 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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WP5.0 skeered the p00p out of me... no menus, only function keys Smiley: yikes
#10 Aug 29 2006 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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One thing I like about Open Office is the ability to turn documents into PDFs without having the full version of Acrobat (and it seems to be faster than Acrobat, too). We use it on one of our PCs here at work.
#11 Aug 29 2006 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
I've been to cheap to by Office so I've been using open office. I like it pretty much. I think I'll wait to order microsoft office and see if I can get by with open office instead. I remember why I always dreaded the thought of college, its so darn expensive. I'm all about grants and scholarships.
#12 Aug 29 2006 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
Our company has a great discount with MS, we get the Office 2003 suite for $20.
#13 Aug 29 2006 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Getting in good with the IT guys got me MS office 2k3 pro for free =)
#14 Aug 29 2006 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I still use WordPerfect.

0ld skh00l 4tw!

Damn Joph. Do you have a Betamax player too?
#15 Aug 29 2006 at 4:44 PM Rating: Good
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yay for working for a Microsoft Gold Partnership member! I can legally install any MS software for "evaluation". Smiley: sly
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Damn Joph. Do you have a Betamax player too?
Hey, when I bought the computer, my options were Microsoft Office for seven hundred sixty-six dollars or Corel Office for thirty cents and a couple paper clips. Given that all I need is something to clatter out the occassional paper on, it was no contest.
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#17 Aug 29 2006 at 5:51 PM Rating: Decent
Get a part-tine sales job at a CompUSA, Fry's, or some other retailer that sells MS products. You can then join their ePUP program and buy a select list of products damned cheap. They have these programs to get salespeople to use their products and be better able to sell them. The only stipulation they have is that the products can only be registered to you so you can't resell them.

When I was working for CompUSa a few years ago, I picked up WinXP Pro full version for $125 and MS Office Pro (Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access) for $150. Intel also had a special for retail salespeople and sold a bundle (D865GBF Mainboard, 3.0 GHz P4 with HT, and WinXP Pro ful version) for $199. Some of the best benefits for working retail computer sales are the vendor provided ones.
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Does the installing on multiple computers thing apply to Dreamweaver too by any chance? I didn't realize how completely crappy Dreamweaver 4 was until I tried out 8 and it's on sale at the bookstore for 100 cheaper than the website. I'd like to use it at home and at work though. Or is that ok anyway since I'm the only one using it?
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#20 Aug 29 2006 at 11:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does the installing on multiple computers thing apply to Dreamweaver too by any chance? I didn't realize how completely crappy Dreamweaver 4 was until I tried out 8 and it's on sale at the bookstore for 100 cheaper than the website. I'd like to use it at home and at work though. Or is that ok anyway since I'm the only one using it?


It depends ont he end user license agreement. Most of them do not, that specific microsoft application is the exception to the rule. Dreamweaver was macromedia, is now adobe owned, and they have a generally more restrictive student license program.
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#21 Aug 30 2006 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
OO vs MS Office.

MS office has some nice features and when run in MS Windows it is stable enough. seldom have i ever had a crash with Word or Excell. many times ive had Access crash and PowerPoint is just IMHO a waist of time.

OO is very stable no matter the platform i use it on (windows, linux, OSx) and have yet to have any of it crash.

feature wise they are about the same. people claim that OO can not do everything that MS Office can. that just means they do not know how to do it and do not fully understand all of the tools available to OO. the bottom line is there are very few things that MS Office has that OO does not, and vis a vis. OO has features like single click to creat PDF files WITHOUT paying $700 for Adobe Acrobat (not the reader) as you need with MS Office. to me that right there is worth not using MS OFfice again.

Price you can not beat OO as it is 100% free vs MS Office ranging between $150 - $450 depending on what vs you buy.

OO can open and READ all word and excel and powerpoint documents but MS Office can not do the same with OO, even though OO uses the ODF (open document format) that is free for anyone to use and read.

now just in the last few months MS office has created an extention that can supposedly use/access ODF docs. i know very little about this and personally do not care to learn much about it other then if it costs money or not.

the reason i moved to OO away from MS Office are as follows:

1. CTFmon.exe this has been with Office 2003 and newer. its a bit of spyware that when removed from the computer will trash the OS and cause windows to NOT BOOT.

2. hundreds upon hundreds of viruses. sick n tired of all of the viruses in all MS products.

3. no backwards compatability. ever try to use MS Office 98 or 99 to open an Office 2000 or newer doc? cant do it. and if you use the newer vs to open an older vs you can not change anything or save it. if you do you can never go back to open the doc. with the older vs of office. that is a major issue for a business.

4. FREE PDF creation. cant say much more then that. Adobe Acrobat Pro $449 that is what you need to make PDF files in MS Office. dont know about you, but i do not want to spend roughly $900 for 2 products when i can spent NOTHING for 1 that does the same as both. yes i know acrobat also alows you to edit pdf documents but there are FOSS tools that alow for the same thing if not as easy.

for me those are the reasons i have not been using MS Office in almost 2 years now. with OO 2.x things are much nicer and more stable in windows. the older 1.1 vs of OO was known to be a bit unstable in windows from time to time depending on what was going on in the background, but i have yet to have any issues since 2.0 moved out of beta.
#22 Aug 30 2006 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
Someone was telling me there was a free Windows XP professional that could be downloaded? Anyone have the link?
#23 Aug 30 2006 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Someone was telling me there was a free Windows XP professional that could be downloaded? Anyone have the link?


there are links for that kind of thing, but none are legal. it is legal to make backup copies of XP Pro if you already own it to protect the original CD. that is what i do. i never use my original CDs except to make back up copies of them. then they get put away and i use the burned CD to do installs as need be.
#24 Aug 30 2006 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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1. CTFmon.exe this has been with Office 2003 and newer. its a bit of spyware that when removed from the computer will trash the OS and cause windows to NOT BOOT.
I was curious about this because I was not familiar with this executable and I was doubtful that Microsoft was installing spyware with MS Office.

I found that there are 2 different executables called CTFmon.exe. The one that comes with MS Office is described here, along with instructions for disabling it and a warning that some of MS Office will not function correctly without it.

The other version is some kind of trojan/worm/whatever that someone thought clever to name the same as an actual windows process. This does make things somewhat confusing, but saying that Office 2003 and newer ships with spyware is not accurate. If someone wrote a virus and called it 'firefox.exe' you wouldn't say that firefox is a virus.
#25 Aug 30 2006 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
I've found that Open Office does everything I need for basic word processing and spreadsheets. I haven't tried any of the other features.
#26 Aug 30 2006 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Singdall wrote:
1. CTFmon.exe this has been with Office 2003 and newer. its a bit of spyware that when removed from the computer will trash the OS and cause windows to NOT BOOT.
I was curious about this because I was not familiar with this executable and I was doubtful that Microsoft was installing spyware with MS Office.

I found that there are 2 different executables called CTFmon.exe. The one that comes with MS Office is described here, along with instructions for disabling it and a warning that some of MS Office will not function correctly without it.

The other version is some kind of trojan/worm/whatever that someone thought clever to name the same as an actual windows process. This does make things somewhat confusing, but saying that Office 2003 and newer ships with spyware is not accurate. If someone wrote a virus and called it 'firefox.exe' you wouldn't say that firefox is a virus.


not 100%, winXP is spyware from the factory so what makes you think that Office is also not full of spyware.

CTFmon.exe was supposed to be ONLY for the voice command section of MS OFfice. i suppose spyware is not 100% accurate. malware is more like it. any software that installs without permission and when removed can cause issues with the OS is malware. that is exactly what the CTFmon.exe is.

my experiance with that particular bit of MS Office comes not from viruses as it would be impossible for a virus to of gotten to the computers after a fresh install with no internet connection.

fresh install winXP Pro or win2k Pro
have all MS updates on a CD, nice tool to have
MS Office from CDs

find CTFmon.exe sitting there that can not be removed without crashing the OS. that is malware plane and simple.

i do not trust it and for MS to say no data is being transmitted back to them is not exactly true. data is transimted to their servers or how else would the OS and Office know they are out of date? no that is spyware, it may not be as bad as some of the other spyware out there as it will not try to steal your p/w or credit card info, so we hope (big sarcastic statement there), but it is sending data to MS without your concent and it is installed without your knoweldge.

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this is just my typical mistrust of MS with anything they install without me knowing about it and then do not allow you to remove it with standard removal tools. FYI the only thing i did not try on that link you provided to remove the CTFmon.exe was the 2 reg. hacks. in either case, the removal of the CTFmon.exe will not only make parts of MS Office not work, but will lead to your OS crashing on you. BSOD not bootable type issues. could be that i had not done the 2 reg hacks that caused those issues for me so not sure. from that point on i refused to install anything newer then Office 2k on a system unless the business owner demanded XP or 2k3. at that point i informed them of the issues and let them tell me yes or no. their network, my money.

Edited, Aug 30th 2006 at 3:44pm EDT by Singdall
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