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#1 Aug 28 2006 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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John Mark Karr's DNA doesn't match.

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BOULDER, Colorado (CNN) -- The DNA sample taken from John Mark Karr does not match DNA found on JonBenet Ramsey's body when she was murdered in 1996, CNN affiliate KUSA is reporting.

KUSA, based in Denver, Colorado, quoted two sources in a bulletin on its Web site:

"9NEWS has confirmed from two sources that the DNA sample taken from John Mark Karr is not a match with the foreign DNA found on JonBenet Ramsey's body when she was murdered in 1996. 9NEWS has also learned the Boulder County District Attorney's office will not file charges against Karr in connection with the Ramsey case."

CNN is working to independently confirm the report as Karr awaits his first court appearance in Colorado later Monday afternoon.

Karr will appear before Judge Roxanne Bailin at 4:30 p.m. (6:30 p.m. ET).

Earlier Monday, Karr's defense team requested that prosecutors hand over DNA evidence in the Ramsey case.

Public disclosure of any DNA evidence was specifically barred by a gag order issued Friday. The order applies to all attorneys and law enforcement officials involved in the case. While the principals can discuss some aspects of the case, they are not allowed to say anything that could jeopardize Karr receiving a fair trial

The order is necessary because of "the intense interest of the media in this matter and the amount of publicity that has resulted," Bailin wrote. "The court is concerned that the extensive participant and public comment will disrupt the processes by which a fair trial may be preserved."

The 41-year-old suspect is being held in Boulder County Jail on suspicion of first-degree murder, first- and second-degree kidnapping, and sexual assault. No formal charges have been filed yet by Boulder prosecutors.

Documents list Karr's birthplace as Conyers, Georgia, and his occupation as "teacher."

On Thursday, Deputy State Public Defender Seth Temin said Karr qualifies as an indigent, and he will be defending him. Temin formally informed the court of the move in a filing Friday.

Temin also filed a motion Friday asking the court to order any samples of Karr's handwriting to be sealed.

"Counsel is without sufficient knowledge about all the facts of the case to be able to evaluate the prejudice that may be associated with release of any of the defendant's handwriting," Temin said in the written request.

A handwritten ransom note from the Ramsey house could be part of a murder case.

Bailin has ordered the Colorado State Public Defender's office not to release the arrest warrant application. The judge gave Temin until noon (2 p.m. ET) Monday to file a response on that issue.

Karr was brought back to the United States from Bangkok, Thailand. He arrived in Colorado Thursday evening from California, where he skipped bail in 2001 after being charged in Sonoma County with five misdemeanor counts of possessing child pornography.

Karr appeared at a brief hearing in Los Angeles and waived extradition to Colorado. (Watch Patsy Ramsey's sister reveal what the family will do if Karr isn't guilty -- 4:11)

Karr was arrested August 16 in Thailand in connection with the decade-old case.

He told reporters in Thailand he was with JonBenet the night she died, and that her death was an accident. The child's beaten and strangled body was found December 26, 1996, in the basement of her family's Boulder home.

Autopsy results showed she had suffered a blow to the head and been strangled with a garrote tightened with a paintbrush handle.

Several media outlets have filed a motion to unseal Karr's arrest warrant and supporting affidavit. In its response to the motion, the district attorney's office repeated several times that the investigation of Karr "is in its very early stages."

Prosecutors agreed the arrest warrant should be unsealed but said that unsealing the supporting affidavit could taint the ongoing investigation, including interviews not yet conducted.

"It is crucial that people we interview provide information that is as accurate as possible, unaffected by influences other than their own resources and their best recollections," the documents said.

After Karr's statements in Thailand, questions have surfaced as to whether the slight, soft-spoken man could have been involved in the grisly killing.

Earlier this year, Michael Tracey, a journalism professor at the University of Colorado, alerted authorities to e-mails he had been receiving from a person now believed to be Karr.

Tracey, who has produced a documentary about the Ramsey case, said there was something in the e-mails "that made me decide I had to try and do something." But he would not say just what prompted him to contact prosecutors.

A law enforcement official told CNN that Karr's e-mails to Tracey were initially innocuous but that the professor contacted authorities when they became "weird." The communications were eventually tracked to Thailand.

Tracey told CNN Thursday he also learned Karr's name five days before the arrest.



I sure would like to know what parts about the crime scene he did know that the police say was never released as information to the public.

What a sick sick man.
#2 Aug 28 2006 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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And you are surprised?

I want my tax money that was wasted on flying him over here back!
#3 Aug 28 2006 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, I'm not surprised either but I sure would like to see if he can be fined or charged for the expenses that were incurred in flying him back here and all the investigation expenses too.
#4 Aug 28 2006 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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I called it first. Where's my prize?
#5 Aug 28 2006 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
He's probably a chimera and just used DNA evidence and a shady looking confession to divert suspicion from himself. I see it all the time.
#6 Aug 28 2006 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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What a 'tard.

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#7 Aug 28 2006 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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Tare wrote:
What a 'tard.

Smiley: rolleyes


I dunno, I think he is kinda cool. I wish I had those Depsche Mode/The Cure eyes going on...
#8 Aug 28 2006 at 3:21 PM Rating: Excellent
What a sad day when we can't even trust the word of David Bowie's gayer, younger, pedophile brother. Well, I guess I'll just go back to assuming Patsy fashioned a garrote as means of punishing little JonBenet for incontinence and got a little out of hand.

I'm not altogether certain he can be charged or fined for the trip and the champagne, though, because it's not like he came forward on his own and filed a false police report, and all he's confessed to is being present at the time of her death. I'm not sure he could even be proven to have not been there, apparently, since the auhorities were convinced of his story enough to fly him across the ocean to attempt prosecution.

So, short of prison time, I think they should just let the CU football team rape him. It would be great for recruiting.
#9 Aug 28 2006 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
Tare wrote:
What a 'tard.

Smiley: rolleyes


I dunno, I think he is kinda cool. I wish I had those Depsche Mode/The Cure eyes going on...

And the skinny-guy man boobs?
#10 Aug 28 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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And the skinny-guy man boobs?


I already have fat-guy man boobs, why would I want more?
#11 Aug 28 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
Jawbox wrote:

And the skinny-guy man boobs?


I already have fat-guy man boobs, why would I want more?


I bet he smells like soup.

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#12 Aug 28 2006 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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Tare wrote:
PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
Jawbox wrote:

And the skinny-guy man boobs?


I already have fat-guy man boobs, why would I want more?


I bet he smells like soup.


Chicken noodle soup?
#13 Aug 28 2006 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
Tare wrote:
PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
Jawbox wrote:

And the skinny-guy man boobs?


I already have fat-guy man boobs, why would I want more?


I bet he smells like soup.


Chicken noodle soup?


I hope so. Smiley: inlove

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#14 Aug 28 2006 at 3:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was watching MSNBC or someone trot out al these profilers that thought he was lying, because they said that the "present" wording was just too vague to be a true confession, coupled with his behavior while under arrest, etc.

Oh well. I guess they wasted the research on finding out his middle name.

#15 Aug 28 2006 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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I still am not convinced he was lying. He signed his yearbook SBTC-Victory and other correspondence long before the murder, and the ransom note said SBTC victory. Thats a hell of a coincidence for such an obscure signature. Also its way too early to get the actual detailed DNA results, this must be a preliminary test and they have to be checked with duplication which would not have happened yet as well.

Even if the DNA of the samples found on her do not match him, it just means the sample material did not come from him, not that he did not kill her. Cops or EMTs could have contaminated the scene with DNA, in fact that has already been alledged, and we all know they were not up to TVs CSI specs on the crime scene work. Lots of other ways or paths DNA could have gotten on her from outside the family, she was a kid after all they do get into messes. I am sure freinds came over on christmas day to see what nice stuff the kid got, its practically a christmas afternoon tradition.
#16 Aug 28 2006 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Chop his balls off anyways.

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#17 Aug 28 2006 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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fhrugby the Sly wrote:
I still am not convinced he was lying. He signed his yearbook SBTC-Victory and other correspondence long before the murder, and the ransom note said SBTC victory. Thats a hell of a coincidence for such an obscure signature.


From CNN:

In capital block letters, "Though, deep in the future, maybe I shall be the conquerer [sic] and live in multiple peace."

Not quite the same as the ransom letter.


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Even if the DNA of the samples found on her do not match him, it just means the sample material did not come from him, not that he did not kill her. Cops or EMTs could have contaminated the scene with DNA, in fact that has already been alledged, and we all know they were not up to TVs CSI specs on the crime scene work.


Sure, the DA's office admits contamination of the DNA. So what? He didn't know the Ramsey's prior to the murder. His wife claims he wasn't in Boulder at the time of the murder. He gives only vague details of the crime which, in a case that has been as widely televised and examined as this one has, can be gleaned from any observant weirdo.

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Lots of other ways or paths DNA could have gotten on her from outside the family, she was a kid after all they do get into messes. I am sure freinds came over on christmas day to see what nice stuff the kid got, its practically a christmas afternoon tradition.


I don't know what Christmas is like at your house but my kid doesn't get sperm in her underwear, no matter what "messes" she gets into.



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#18 Aug 28 2006 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know what Christmas is like at your house but my kid doesn't get sperm in her underwear, no matter what "messes" she gets into.


Meh, give her a few years.
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#19 Aug 28 2006 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
Tare wrote:
I don't know what Christmas is like at your house but my kid doesn't get sperm in her underwear, no matter what "messes" she gets into.


Your Christmas sucks.
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I don't know what Christmas is like at your house but my kid doesn't get sperm in her underwear, no matter what "messes" she gets into.


I had read that the samples were determined not to be sperm.
An article here
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Two spots of male DNA - one sample more substantial than the other - were comingled with JonBenet's blood in her flowered underwear.

The stronger of the two samples has been entered in a national data base. Investigators hope to check Karr's DNA against the Ramsey case sample.

A match would appear to cement the state's case against Karr. But a failure to match might not necessarily clear him.

Several investigators - including forensic expert Dr. Henry Lee - are not convinced the DNA found in JonBenet's underwear is that of the killer.


Edited, Aug 28th 2006 at 5:37pm EDT by fhrugby
#21 Aug 28 2006 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
I like Sam's better, go with it.
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Samira wrote:
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I don't know what Christmas is like at your house but my kid doesn't get sperm in her underwear, no matter what "messes" she gets into.


Meh, give her a few years.


I'm hoping she'll be older than 6. Smiley: wink2

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#23 Aug 28 2006 at 4:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I dunno, Tare. Kids are doin' it younger and younger all the time!

You don't want your kid to be a late bloomer, do you?

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#24 Aug 28 2006 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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She MUST be cool!

I'll kill everyone who gets in my way!

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#25 Aug 28 2006 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
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Tare wrote:
Samira wrote:
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I don't know what Christmas is like at your house but my kid doesn't get sperm in her underwear, no matter what "messes" she gets into.


Meh, give her a few years.


I'm hoping she'll be older than 6. Smiley: wink2

I'm thinking Patsy hoped so, too.
If anything, it's sad that the father will inevitably have to deal with some of the same ol suspicions again should this guy not pan out.
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And now it looks like the charges are going to be dropped.

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BOULDER, Colorado (CNN) -- Schoolteacher John Mark Karr will not be charged with the murder of 6-year-old beauty pageant competitor JonBenet Ramsey, Karr's attorney said Monday.

"The warrant on Mr. Karr has been dropped by the district attorney," public defender Seth Temin said outside the jail. "They are not proceeding with the case."

He said a hearing scheduled later Monday afternoon has been canceled.

Temin also said he was "deeply disturbed" that authorities in Boulder brought Karr from Thailand with what appears to have been scant evidence.

Colorado authorities have not commented on their decision not to pursue charges against the man named in a warrant alleging murder, kidnapping and sexual assault on a child.

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