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#27 Aug 29 2006 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
a) I don't believe in the idea of different races.


With that attitude, you're going to miss out on a significant subset of ****. Free your mind.


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#28 Aug 29 2006 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
I've seen them in purple and blue, racist.
#29 Aug 29 2006 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
a) I don't believe in the idea of different races.


That doesn't change the fact that there are different races. Whether you choose to believe it or not is moot.
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#30 Aug 29 2006 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:

I am saying it is a non-issue because:
a) I don't believe in the idea of different races.
b) The arbitrary groups they selected have no differences other than skin color.
c) It is just a ratings ploy.
I agree that it's a ploy, but of course there are differences between the races that are social, cultural, and yes, physical. To close your eyes to this is to blind yourself to reality in an inane attempt to deny that all these differences come into play when discussing this.

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Why do you feel it is an issue? To me, it seems that you are either upset because you feel one group is more gifted than another or you are so damn PC that any mention of "race" throws you into a frenzy. Which is it?
Niether. I am interested in the premise and the surrounding belief that causes some people to just dismiss it instead of having an open discussion, not 'upset' by it. Why should I be? As far as why I think it's an issue, race always is. It always comes into play, and especially when it's brought into the front line like that. I can have a discussion about it without getting all emotional about it. Can you?

It seems to me that you are more upset than I. Why is that?
#31 Aug 29 2006 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Kakar the Vile wrote:
PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
a) I don't believe in the idea of different races.


That doesn't change the fact that there are different races. Whether you choose to believe it or not is moot.


No, there is the bastardized idea of race that was applied to humans. If the "races" were different, then any offspring would be sterile.
#32 Aug 29 2006 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
No, there is the bastardized idea of race that was applied to humans. If the "races" were different, then any offspring would be sterile.
For anthropological/sociological purposes, the definition is commonly held to be different (shared physical traits) than that which is applied biologically (a different species subset).

dictionary.com wrote:
In the traditional biological and anthropological systems of classification race refers to a group of persons who share such genetically transmitted traits as skin color, hair texture, and eye shape or color: the white race; the yellow race. In reference to classifying the human species, race is now under dispute among modern biologists and anthropologists. Some feel that the term has no biological validity; others use it to specify only a partially isolated reproductive population whose members share a considerable degree of genetic similarity.


Edited, Aug 29th 2006 at 11:53am EDT by Atomicflea
#33 Aug 29 2006 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
No, there is the bastardized idea of race that was applied to humans. If the "races" were different, then any offspring would be sterile.
There are distinct groups of humans with different characteristics, whether we choose to label them or not. "Race" is our term for these groupings. You seem to be under the impression that "race" means "species"?
#34 Aug 29 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
I agree that it's a ploy, but of course there are differences between the races that are social, cultural, and yes, physical. To close your eyes to this is to blind yourself to reality in an inane attempt to deny that all these differences come into play when discussing this.


But to assume that the SES and physical differences only apply in one dirrection is just as much of a blanket statement as "they are all equil" is. While there may be differences, you can find two people from two different "races" that have the same social or physical attributes. To say that the race issue comes into play because of the differences would help the seperate but equil point more than my position.

I will not argue that there are cultural differences, but how would that have any sort of effect on the show? One would think that in the begining, the teams would function better because of that cultural similarity.

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Niether. I am interested in the premise and the surrounding belief that causes some people to just dismiss it instead of having an open discussion, not 'upset' by it. Why should I be? As far as why I think it's an issue, race always is. It always comes into play, and especially when it's brought into the front line like that. I can have a discussion about it without getting all emotional about it. Can you?

It seems to me that you are more upset than I. Why is that?


Yeah, I came across as upset, and that wasn't my intention. I kept getting interupted at work and didn't have a chance to review the post. However, I do not think that by saying it is a non-issue makes me dismiss the issue. It may have come across as dismissive, but I was just trying to explain my point of view.


Finally, why is race always an issue? If there was discrimination taking place, then I could understand, but in this instance no one is being given an unfair advantage.


Professor CrescentFresh wrote:
PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
No, there is the bastardized idea of race that was applied to humans. If the "races" were different, then any offspring would be sterile.
There are distinct groups of humans with different characteristics, whether we choose to label them or not. "Race" is our term for these groupings. You seem to be under the impression that "race" means "species"?


I was going off of the biological definition. Get those wacky scientists to agree on how to use the term and I will follow suit.

Edited, Aug 29th 2006 at 2:14pm EDT by PsiChi
#35 Aug 29 2006 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
I was going off of the biological definition. Get those wacky scientists to agree on how to use the term and I will follow suit.
Please point me to the biological definition of race.
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