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#27 Aug 27 2006 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Tarv wrote:
This is tempered by the fact that in England anyone who works hard at school can get a degree and earn $50,000+ a year. So if your in the position that the best job you can get is a minimum wage waitor it's generally speaking your own damn fault.


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I bust a ******* every day at work, i get sent away from home for months at a time in terrible living condidtions with no overtime, i don't get tips.


I assume you fit into the first quote and work a salary job? Here's the score:

Tarv's employer 1
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You don't have to be butthurt towards people that get to have 'easy' schedules. They probably have it much rougher than you~ Smiley: laugh
#28 Aug 27 2006 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
I've literally, got a book of stupid questions people asked me while working in the hotel industry. Unfortunatly, said book is at home and I am at work, but here's a few of the more common ones with answers where applicable.

Q: "Where's the third floor ballroom?"
A: "It's on the third floor."

Q: "How do I get to the third floor?"
A: "You take the elevator or the stairs."

Q: (While standing under the "Check-In Here" sign) "Can I check in here?"

Q: "How do I check my voicemail?" (also applies to roomservice)
A: "You hit the "voicemail" (roomservice) button on the phone."

Q: "Where's the voicemail button?"
A: "It's the button with the picture of the telephone on it."

Q: (by me) "Did you want to leave the charges on your credit card?"
A: (By Guest) "Yes please."
(I Check them out and thank them for their stay)
Q: (By Guest) "Could I pay cash for that?"
(This one drives me nuts, for reversing credit card charges are a pain)

We take reservations for one of the restaurants in the hotel at the desk before they open. And I swear, every other call, when I ask them what time they want the reservation for, they're stumped.

WHen taking a reservation, asking for the credit card often times takes them 10 minutes, for they don't have the card on them.

There's more. But this ******* "Skate Club" that's staying in the hotel has been bugging me all day with stupid questions and requests for late check outs. This group is a bunch of dorks who travel to different cities to rollerblade/skate throughout different cities. Their group leader may be one of the weirdest people I've ever met. No less than three different times she's come up to the desk, told me she's had a question, then half had a conversation in her head/half had a conversation with herself outloud, told me nevermind, and walked away.

And today's a slow day... /sigh.




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#29 Aug 27 2006 at 12:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
I bust a ******* every day at work, i get sent away from home for months at a time in terrible living condidtions with no overtime, i don't get tips. so i don't see why some part timer who gets to go home every night and gets paid by the hour should somehow be automaticly paid extra regardless of service.
In theory, you get paid accordingly.

In the States, the idea is that servers are paid hourly below what they "should" be making because the tips make up the remainder. Therefore, the server SHOULD feel the incentive to perform excellent service so they make those tips and therefore a decent wage. The tips aren't really "extra" but rather the remainder of what they "should" have been making if we didn't live in a society that developed this social contract.
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#30 Aug 27 2006 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I assume you fit into the first quote and work a salary job? Here's the score:

Tarv's employer 1
Tarv's Balls 0
Slightly wrong.

Since i'm in the miltary it's more...

Queen and country 1
Tarv's Balls 0


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You don't have to be butthurt towards people that get to have 'easy' schedules. They probably have it much rougher than you
I get butthurt when people who don't work very hard get whiney when they don't get paid well.

suck it up if you want more money fUcking start working for it.

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In theory, you get paid accordingly.
Not really but we get a great pension and thats really the carrot rather than the monthly wage which is not great when compaired to say Fireman, Policeman which are the compariable career choises if you have not got a degree education.

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In the States, the idea is that servers are paid hourly below what they "should" be making because the tips make up the remainder. Therefore, the server SHOULD feel the incentive to perform excellent service so they make those tips and therefore a decent wage. The tips aren't really "extra" but rather the remainder of what they "should" have been making if we didn't live in a society that developed this social contract.
To be fair Joph i made a point before, during and after that i was working from a different way of looking at tips.
#31 Aug 27 2006 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
To be fair Joph i made a point before, during and after that i was working from a different way of looking at tips.
Yes you did. Hence the qualifier "In the States..."
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#32 Aug 27 2006 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
Back to the original topic, though, what is up with customers and their stupid questions, huh?

Like this week at work, I got a call from this lady who's husband had fallen into a wood-chipper while performing his job. She's all going on about how he's dead and stuff, and she can't afford to pay the mortgage without his income. She wants to know when we're sending her a check.

And I'm like, look honey, and then I acted like the phone cut out.
#33 Aug 27 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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The minimum tip I leave for competent, polite service is 20%. I also don't hold the waitress responsible for the quality of the food.

I'd invite anyone who's never waited tables for a living to give it a try before deciding to leave an inadequate tip. On the other hand I'm getting sick and tired of everybody and his brother expecting a tip. It seems every place has a tip jar sitting out on the counter now.
#34 Aug 27 2006 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
Not in England.

In England if you don't tip you aren't telling them anything, it's not expected.


Many of the places I ate in England that were tipworthy built the tip into the final bill. No need to tally up a tip figure because they did it for you.
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#35 Aug 27 2006 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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"Do you have to leave a tip?"



Waitresses - sure. But what about Redcaps at airports?

They're supposed to bring a cart over to your car and help you get your baggage out - and take it over to the check-in place. In some airports they still do this (like Houston - but you have to walk over and ask them to do it), but at more and more, they won't. At LAX, if you ask them to do this, they stare at you like you're stupid or something (especially Southwest - never fly Southwest out of LAX - other airports are okay - not SW at LAX).

The Redcaps in many airports are doing the same work as the baggage people inside - just checking luggage - yet they still want their tips as if they actually went above and beyond the call of duty. Something's wrong here.

#36 Aug 27 2006 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Here are a few other good ones I got:

Walgreens- "Do you sell <insert major drug here>?"

Walgreens- "I was told I didn't need a prescription for this. Oh I do? Can I get it anyways?"

At a gas station- "How come you charge so much for gas? You should lower the price."

At a photo lab I worked at on UW Madison campus- "Do you see lots of bewbies?"

One of my all time favorites is when bums or chumps come up and ask me if they can borrow a cigarette or money. That's when I pull out my best english accent and say "Fuck off, ya bloody ************* Like they're actually gonna return said money or cigarettes.

I know every smoker, especially city dwellers have heard that countless times.
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At a photo lab I worked at on UW Madison campus- "Do you see lots of bewbies?"
Well?
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#38 Aug 27 2006 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Well...It wasn't as glamorous as you think. Smiley: rolleyes













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#39 Aug 27 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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That reminds me, have you noticed at Kroger's or other grocery stores that you know the bagger people say "Paper or Plastic" and actually have paper or plastic.

And yet when you go the the self-checkout line you only get plastic, period. O_o

McDonald's Worker to me: "You got change for a 100?"
Me: "What? I just want my food."
MC: "Ok cool, do you have change though?"
Me: "No....."
MC: "O ok thats cool! *speaks to guy behind me* how about you?"
Guy behind me: "No?"
*asks everyone in the freaking store if they got change for a 100*
As soon as he gets it, he takes his break! Before taking my order!

That's why McDonald's doesn't have a tip jar. The tips won't even pay for the jar.
#40 Aug 27 2006 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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Waitresses - sure. But what about Redcaps at airports?

They're supposed to bring a cart over to your car and help you get your baggage out - and take it over to the check-in place. In some airports they still do this (like Houston - but you have to walk over and ask them to do it), but at more and more, they won't. At LAX, if you ask them to do this, they stare at you like you're stupid or something (especially Southwest - never fly Southwest out of LAX - other airports are okay - not SW at LAX).

The Redcaps in many airports are doing the same work as the baggage people inside - just checking luggage - yet they still want their tips as if they actually went above and beyond the call of duty. Something's wrong here.



When in doubt, I'll always offer at least $1 and say "Thank you for your trouble." And when in Vegas, I always tip, from the hotel porter, waitstaff, the guy doing my roulette table, the cashier in the cage, to the cab driver.
#41 Aug 27 2006 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't get me wrong - I tip. I still even mindlessly tip redcaps. I'm just frustrated because I remember them doing their job (many years ago), but now....

For those of you who are cheap about your tips to waitresses, just watch - I think it's "Reservoir Dogs." There's a good line in there about one of the characters, who is too cheap to tip a coffee shop waitress.
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In restaurants I tip 10% for ****** service, 15% for half-assed service, 20% for average service (which tends to be pretty good in the states), and up to 30% for exceptional service. It was weird not tipping during my trip to Europe this summer. In fact, I frequently tipped a few Euros even when I really didn't need to, just because I've been so deeply conditioned with guilt for not tipping a server. But I'll say one thing for sure, service sucks in Europe compared to the U.S. Once you get your food it's like you're not even there anymore and no one gives a ****. I'm American! I need attention!

For delivery people it's a little different. For pizza and other food deliveries, I tip about 10%. This is because now-a-days they usually charge a "delivery fee." You used to be able to get your pizza delivered for free, and so my tip used to be higher. But even now, I never tip less than 2 bucks.

For delivery of furniture and such I'm at a loss. You can hardly take a percentage of the purchase price (I'm not giving the dude $80 to deliver an $800 dining room set). I tend to tip more if they assemble it, but I always struggle as to how much to give. I usually do around 10 bucks per person if the item is larger than a TV. But I have no clue what's expected or appropriate.

For clerks at convenience stores I just laugh. Sometimes I'll scoff though, like I'm put out that I have to tolerate their inferior, mediocre existence.





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This week's also been a week for stupid questions for me.

Spamming Troll User: I'm mad at being banned, what's allakhazam boss email at allakhazam?
Me: allakhazam@allakhazam.com
STU: I am emailing Mr Allakhazam boss and he will unban me!

Same Spamming Troll User: Can you please un-IP ban me? I've been good.
Me: (checks through logs, finds three banned accounts from his locations in the last day) ...

Random Forum User: You should fire Kastigir, he's a awful forum admin
Me (mentally): Kaolian?
Forum User's Email Attchment: (Kastigir saying random stuff)
Me: Does he have the four red stars and A under name? Not an admin.
Random Forum User: Oh, if Kastigir isn't an admin, can you fire Kaolian instead?

Same Spamming Troll User: Can you please unban me, Mr. Jeffrey? I love using your site!
Me: ...
SSTU: I really do love you guys! I'll even buy premium!
Me: ...
SSTU: Mr. Allakhazam would let me back if you ever relayed my messages to him!



Edited, Aug 27th 2006 at 6:45pm EDT by Danalog
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:

Random Forum User: You should fire Kastigir, he's a awful forum admin
Me (mentally): Kaolian?
Forum User's Email Attchment: (Kastigir saying random stuff)
Me: Does he have the four red stars and A under name? Not an admin.



was that one of renlonaaa's socks? He's mad because his sockpuppets keep having unfortunate accidents.
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#45 Aug 27 2006 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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This week's also been a week for stupid questions for me.

Spamming Troll User: I'm mad at being banned, what's allakhazam boss email at allakhazam?
Me: allakhazam@allakhazam.com
STU: I am emailing Mr Allakhazam boss and he will unban me!

Same Spamming Troll User: Can you please un-IP ban me? I've been good.
Me: (checks through logs, finds three banned accounts from his locations in the last day) ...

Random Forum User: You should fire Kastigir, he's a awful forum admin
Me (mentally): Kaolian?
Forum User's Email Attchment: (Kastigir saying random stuff)
Me: Does he have the four red stars and A under name? Not an admin.
Random Forum User: Oh, if Kastigir isn't an admin, can you fire Kaolian instead?

Same Spamming Troll User: Can you please unban me, Mr. Jeffrey? I love using your site!
Me: ...
SSTU: I really do love you guys! I'll even buy premium!
Me: ...
SSTU: Mr. Allakhazam would let me back if you ever relayed my messages to him!


Smiley: laugh That's like a few of my clients that get all pissy in front of the judge and then wonder why they've gotten the full sentence and sent to jail. But they swear to Bob if I do their demands, the judge will of course reverse the sentence and they can go free.

Judge: Sir, you have violated your probation 5 times in the past year and you have wasted every chance you were given, you are going to fullfill the rest of your prison sentence in Corcoran Prison.

Client: Your Honor, you don't understand, when I get mad...

Judge: That's what the Anger Management Class was for that you refused to attend.

Client: Your Honor, you're just a bitch.

Judge: Fine, probation revoked, the suspended sentence of no less than 5 years to be served, commencing immediately.

..... 4 weeks later, the phone call...

Client: I need to see the Judge and if I apologize, he'll come around.

Me: You've got to f'in kidding me.
#46 Aug 27 2006 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:

Random Forum User: You should fire Kastigir, he's a awful forum admin
Me (mentally): Kaolian?
Forum User's Email Attchment: (Kastigir saying random stuff)
Me: Does he have the four red stars and A under name? Not an admin.



was that one of renlonaaa's socks? He's mad because his sockpuppets keep having unfortunate accidents.


Yeah, he's threatening me with a lawsuit now. Man, people love to threaten to sue when they're mad about their socks being banned, don't they?
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Hi-larious.
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Yeah, It's truly hilarious how some of the more unstable ones seem to think the legal system works.
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Random Forum User: You should fire Kastigir, he's a awful forum admin
Me (mentally): Kaolian?
Forum User's Email Attchment: (Kastigir saying random stuff)
Me: Does he have the four red stars and A under name? Not an admin.
Random Forum User: Oh, if Kastigir isn't an admin, can you fire Kaolian instead?

Woot! Where's my sooper sekret Admin aksess?

Edited, Aug 27th 2006 at 7:07pm EDT by Kastigir
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Yeah, It's truly hilarious how some of the more unstable ones seem to think the legal system works.


It's actually been a constant obervance of mine that the less one knows of the legal system, the more one thinks they can get away with using it.
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Yeah, It's truly hilarious how some of the more unstable ones seem to think the legal system works.


It's actually been a constant obervance of mine that the less one knows of the legal system, the more one thinks they can get away with using it.


/catty voice I could name names, but I'll let Joph or Tare do that. They're the ones (if I recall correctly) that called out a certain someone who claimed to have checked something with an attorney when it appeared to have been a copy and paste from a website. And when the certain same someone said something along the lines of the accused has to prove his innocence, Joph just had a good old time with that one.
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