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#1 Aug 23 2006 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
Sorry SassyBoy, this is not a thread about you.

Declawing a house cat is...
a horrible mutilation.:25 (31.2%)
not a bad idea.:36 (45.0%)
Hail Kitler!:19 (23.8%)
Total:80


I just had an IM conversation about this that surprised me. I know what I think about it, but I'm not saying yet.
#2 Aug 23 2006 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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I have never declawed any of my house cats. They can (and do) get outside, sometimes without you realizing it. So they might need to climb a few trees after Bowzer starts after them.
#3 Aug 23 2006 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
Nadenu wrote:
I have never declawed any of my house cats. They can (and do) get outside, sometimes without you realizing it. So they might need to climb a few trees after Bowzer starts after them.
This is why ALL cats should be declawed starting at birth.
#4 Aug 23 2006 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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You leave my cats alone, meanie head!

or, the cats I used to have
#5 Aug 23 2006 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
Nadenu wrote:
You leave my cats alone, meanie head!

or, the cats I used to have
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE pussies.
#6 Aug 23 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I had a ferret that got outside once. I never found him. Smiley: cry

Oh yes, I think cats should not be declawed. We had a few and they didn't cause any problems. Now if we'd had expensive furniture....
#7 Aug 23 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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My cat has its front claws taken out. He is an indoor can and has no need for them (my furniture and arms love me for it, too).

#8 Aug 23 2006 at 1:42 PM Rating: Default
Damn...
#9 Aug 23 2006 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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All 3 of my cats are declawed. I don't worry too much about them getting out because they refuse to step outside. I have left the front door open, the back door open, all the windows open, and you'll see all 3 cats lined up right inside the doorway looking out. They know they have it good in our house.
#10 Aug 23 2006 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm for declawing the front paws of housecats (and HOUSEcats should remain indoors). However, cats fight defensively by raking their rear claws so a fully declawed cat is at a major disadvatage should it get loose.

My opinion changes for "working" cats such as those on farms or stables.

I've heard the bits about how declawing removes the front digit of the paw but I don't equate that with losing your fingers the same way some animal advocates do. The paw "toes" aren't fingers and aren't used in remotely the same fashion.
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#11 Aug 23 2006 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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My cat loves his scratching post, and hates certain smells (like tea tree oil, for some reason). So, between positive and negative reinforcement I've never seen the need to declaw him, or any cat I've had.

Besides, it seems like it would hurt. Smiley: frown
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#12 Aug 23 2006 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I used to have two house cats for years when I lived in an apartment, that were brothers from the same litter. They had the front claws only declawed and they seemed none for the worse. They sometimes get into fights with each other with the front paws smacking each other in the head in rapid fashion while sitting back on their hind legs, which probably would have hurt alot, and not been as totally hilarious as it was, if they still had claws.
#13 Aug 23 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm in the no declawing camp, too, and it's funny but I use tea tree oil to dissuade my cat, too. Works like a charm.


Jophiel wrote:
My opinion changes for "working" cats such as those on farms or stables.


Now, if we're going to have housecats who presumptively fulfill the household duties, then I believe their counterparts would be called fieldcats.
#14 Aug 23 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
Samira wrote:
hates certain smells (like tea tree oil, for some reason)
I believe this. I once went on one date with a girl that smelled like tea tree oil. I could not tolerate it.
#15 Aug 23 2006 at 2:07 PM Rating: Default
w00h speaking of my toe, I just got my health insurance card today!
#16 Aug 23 2006 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
hates certain smells (like tea tree oil, for some reason)
I believe this. I once went on one date with a girl that smelled like tea tree oil. I could not tolerate it.
She was trying to combat lice. You really shouldn't be going to the homeless shelter to pick up your womens.
#17 Aug 23 2006 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Besides, it seems like it would hurt. Smiley: frown


Know a girl that had her cat declawed. The cat took it quite hard and had a hell of a time and was in quite rough condition for a while after the declawing. The girl swore never to do it to another cat again. She almost tears up when she talks about it.

If you're a suck when it comes to cats and can find a way around it like Samira then do your damndest to avoid it. If you feel that you must at least take the time to educate yourself about the process and find a decent vet to do the procedure.

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#18 Aug 23 2006 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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You really shouldn't be going to the homeless shelter to pick up your womens.
Good point. Is it still ok to take them there for dinner?
#19 Aug 23 2006 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
Professor CrescentFresh wrote:
Samira wrote:
hates certain smells (like tea tree oil, for some reason)
I believe this. I once went on one date with a girl that smelled like tea tree oil. I could not tolerate it.
She was trying to combat lice. You really shouldn't be going to the homeless shelter to pick up your womens.


Wow, is there anything it can't do? I use it as an antiseptic, which is how I found out the cat hates it - I put it on a blister on my heel and he FLEW out of the room. Fun stuff!
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#20 Aug 23 2006 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
Professor CrescentFresh wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
You really shouldn't be going to the homeless shelter to pick up your womens.
Good point. Is it still ok to take them there for dinner?
Only on soup night.
#21 Aug 23 2006 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
Our cats are declawed and inside only. The surgery was recommended by the vet and performed when they were young. They recovered quickly and everything has been fine. The only time I have regretted it was when they escaped and I thought I had lost them, but that regret went away as soon as I saw them trying to scratch up one of their rescuers.

I was IMing with one of my old EQ2 guildies today and she seemed upset at the idea. She felt very strongly about it and kept trying to get me to see the error of my ways. It didn't work, but it made me curious enough to ask the question. She lives in Denmark and claims that the US is one of few countries where declawing cats is legal. I have always heard the 'toe amputation' stuff before but I just don't get too upset about it.

My are living the good life in my house and having their toes amputated is part of the deal.
#22 Aug 23 2006 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
As an alternative, I hear cement booties work well to stop the cats from scratching. The real fun is when you do this when they are kittens, then remove the cement booties when they are adults. It's an old Chinese secret.
#23 Aug 23 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I say declaw the fUckers. Slowwwwly. With a pair of rusty pliars.
#24 Aug 23 2006 at 2:49 PM Rating: Default
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I say declaw the fuckers. Slowwwwly. With a rusty hacksaw.


Fixxed for cooler sounds effects.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2006 at 3:54pm EDT by Kaelesh
#25 Aug 23 2006 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Professor CrescentFresh wrote:
She lives in Denmark and claims that the US is one of few countries where declawing cats is legal.
This is the sort of comment that raises my eyebrow so I did a quick Google. While a good percentage of Europe has laws against it, the total number of countries where it is outlawed numbers about 20-25. Which, globally speaking, is not remotely near most of the world's nations having outlawed it.

Per Declawing.com, the list of nations with bans is:
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England
Scotland
Wales
Italy
France
Germany
Austria
Switzerland
Norway
Sweden
Netherlands
Northern Ireland
Ireland
Denmark
Finland
Slovenia
Portugal
Belgium
Brazil
Australia
New Zealand
Yugoslavia
Japan
I don't doubt that this list was once accurate but I have to question the current accuracy of a list that still includes "Yugoslavia". And the UK regions of N. Ireland, Scotland, etc are not true countries, per se.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2006 at 6:57pm EDT by Jophiel
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#26 Aug 23 2006 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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both of my house cats were front declawed as kittens and neither are worse for wear. Also my couch and pseakers look spiffy.

If you are not able to keep your house cats in the house and they get loose, dont declaw them. My cats hate the outdoors though, and think any mortal who steps outside their domain of a house is moronic at best.
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