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Anne coulter said.
We all know tha Annes a total cunt.
I wouldnt think that agreeing with the bile that drips from her ******* is something to be proud of.
My wife is indian. A doctor. I'd be pretty fucked off if i thought she was being 'profiled' for being brown. Your idea sucks tarv. As Yossarian mentioned, you have got more chance of being killed by a drug dealer than blown up by a terrorist. i for one dont want to see my rights erroded ' because a twerp like you, thinks that brown people from a certain geographical location are out to get me. Stop being so paranoid, before you allow your government to protect you so much that you end up living in HM. Prison UK.
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Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
We all know tha Annes a total cunt.
I wouldnt think that agreeing with the bile that drips from her ******* is something to be proud of.
My wife is indian. A doctor. I'd be pretty fucked off if i thought she was being 'profiled' for being brown. Your idea sucks tarv. As Yossarian mentioned, you have got more chance of being killed by a drug dealer than blown up by a terrorist. i for one dont want to see my rights erroded ' because a twerp like you, thinks that brown people from a certain geographical location are out to get me. Stop being so paranoid, before you allow your government to protect you so much that you end up living in HM. Prison UK.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
paulsol wrote:
Anne coulter said.
We all know tha Annes a total cunt.
I wouldnt think that agreeing with the bile that drips from her ******* is something to be proud of.
My wife is indian. A doctor. I'd be pretty fucked off if i thought she was being 'profiled' for being brown. Your idea sucks tarv. As Yossarian mentioned, you have got more chance of being killed by a drug dealer than blown up by a terrorist. i for one dont want to see my rights erroded ' because a twerp like you, thinks that brown people from a certain geographical location are out to get me. Stop being so paranoid, before you allow your government to protect you so much that you end up living in HM. Prison UK.
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Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
We all know tha Annes a total cunt.
I wouldnt think that agreeing with the bile that drips from her ******* is something to be proud of.
My wife is indian. A doctor. I'd be pretty fucked off if i thought she was being 'profiled' for being brown. Your idea sucks tarv. As Yossarian mentioned, you have got more chance of being killed by a drug dealer than blown up by a terrorist. i for one dont want to see my rights erroded ' because a twerp like you, thinks that brown people from a certain geographical location are out to get me. Stop being so paranoid, before you allow your government to protect you so much that you end up living in HM. Prison UK.
I find you to be the most boring poster on this site. That alone says alot.
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Stop being so paranoid, before you allow your government to protect you so much that you end up living in HM. Prison UK.
This post is nothing to do with paranoia, it's to do with stopping the complete shut down of the UK's airports.
Ecconomically the smaller Airlines may well not survive if this is the way that passangers are going to be treated.
So you have a choise, you direct the searches at the people who are most likely to be carrying a bomb or you reverse the new conditions on air Travel and take the risk, because it is not going to be possible to actively search every single one of the 200,000 Heathrow passengers that travel every single day.
Cancellations are running at 20 per cent of flights, both long and short haul to a variety of destinations and BAA (who run most of the major airports in the UK) have told the airlines that they will have to reduce the total number of flights permanently.
These are Facts:
The vast majoritory Islamic militants come from a particular section of ethnic backgrounds, which are easily recognisable.
The present condidtions set on Air travel is unsustainable, either companies will go bust or it has to change.
Islamic terrorism will not go away, even if you pull out of iraq and stop supporting Isreal.
The measures i am talking about are no different to those used on Irish nationals for the last 40 years.
It's only been a few days. Your airports will readjust. Ours did.
Aren't Irish white?
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The measures i am talking about are no different to those used on Irish nationals for the last 40 years.
Aren't Irish white?
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Aren't Irish white?
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It's only been a few days. Your airports will readjust. Ours did.
Add in no electronic devises in the cabin, no phones, no car fobs to unlock your cars, no Ipods.
Edited, Aug 14th 2006 at 6:04pm EDT by tarv
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If you can't tell an irishman from a Englishman/Welshman/Scotsman then you have serious issues.
I know a limey wehn I see one!
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s ACtualy, please tell me waht to look for if I were looking for a member of the indolent Irish race?
Edited, Aug 14th 2006 at 6:04pm EDT by Kelvyquayo
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ACtualy, please tell me waht to look for if I were looking for a member of the indolent Irish race?
Is anyone else finding it absolutely hysterical that Tarv's xenophobic rants are concluded with this in his sig?
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Is anyone else finding it absolutely hysterical that Tarv's xenophobic rants are concluded with this in his sig?
Do i somehow not deal with real fact and try and come up with a solution that will save businesses and totally remove the delays for 99% of passengers?
At a penalty of what? less delays for 1% than they are experiancing now but slightly more than before.
To have an open mind one should be able to look at the whole picture not just the ideal world that simply does not exsist, sorry for being a realist.
I have yet to have one poster come up with another solution.
But you aren't be nice and holding hands with everyone. That means you must be stupid.
A liberal and his logic and are soon parted. Or something like that.
A liberal and his logic and are soon parted. Or something like that.
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We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
Well, that is the way it's traditionally been done, I suppose. Convert or die, or both.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
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Is anyone else finding it absolutely hysterical that Tarv's xenophobic rants are concluded with this in his sig?
Hmmm, maybe the fact that you are so fixated on weeding out Akhmed Brownguy that you completely ignore the next Timothy McVeigh wannabe?
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Do i somehow not deal with real fact and try and come up with a solution that will save businesses and totally remove the delays for 99% of passengers?
No, actually, you don't. You deal with the "real facts" you want to see, but not the "real facts" you find inconvenient to your little scheme. Therefore, allow me to answer a question with a question.
Are you not completely ignoring (though it has been pointed out to you many times in this thread) the fact that skin color and/or nation of origin and/or religion is by no means a definite indicator of terrorist inclinations?
Here are some more "real facts" that have apparently escaped you despite the number of times they have been brought up.
Fact: There are plenty of white muslims.
Fact: There are plenty of black muslims.
Fact: Many of these white and black muslims hail from countries other than those deemed "the middle east."
Fact: There are plenty of non-muslim terrorists with agendas that have nothing to do with Islamic Jihad.
Under your oh-so-clever "scheme" any up and coming Timothy McVeigh wannabes and their compadres would get a free pass through security. Any "American Taliban" recruits would get a pass. People would die because terrorist cells would start recruiting Whitey and you'd never see it coming.
Your "scheme" leaves holes a mile wide through which anyone with the inclination to blow up a plane could just sail right through.
But don't allow these "real facts" to deter you from your comforting little delusion that it's only those of middle-eastern extraction whom we need to watch out for.
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At a penalty of what? less delays for 1% than they are experiancing now but slightly more than before.
At the penalty of Joe Whiteguy-with-a-grudge blowing up my family while we fly home for the holidays.
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To have an open mind one should be able to look at the whole picture not just the ideal world that simply does not exsist, sorry for being a realist.
You're not being a realist and you're not even coming close to looking at the whole picture.
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I have yet to have one poster come up with another solution.
That's because the one currently in implementation is doing just fine to address those "real facts" that you conveniently choose to ignore.
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
But you aren't be nice and holding hands with everyone. That means you must be stupid.
A liberal and his logic and are soon parted. Or something like that.
A liberal and his logic and are soon parted. Or something like that.
Please point out to me where I suggest being nice or holding hands, or make any appeal to sentimentality whatsoever.
I couldn't give a rat's *** about profiling or discrimination. I just want to be able to travel in safety.
Real liberal of me. Yeah. Right.
Maybe you'd feel different if it were the Nephlet sitting next to the latest white Jihad recruit on that plane...?
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Hmmm, maybe the fact that you are so fixated on weeding out Akhmed Brownguy that you completely ignore the next Timothy McVeigh wannabe?
A white muslim attending the types of fundamentalist groups that are birthing these extremeists mean that a white convert stands out a mile, as would a African, by the very nature of the muslim community these type of terrorist would be more likely to hinder an attack.
you can deal with these through in house surveillance and INTAPOL.
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Are you not completely ignoring (though it has been pointed out to you many times in this thread) the fact that skin color and/or nation of origin and/or religion is by no means a definite indicator of terrorist inclinations?
Did you know the first ever white islamic suicide bomber was only last year? Indicating that it's very very rare.
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Under your oh-so-clever "scheme" any up and coming Timothy McVeigh wannabes and their compadres would get a free pass through security. Any "American Taliban" recruits would get a pass. People would die because terrorist cells would start recruiting Whitey and you'd never see it coming.
Your "scheme" leaves holes a mile wide through which anyone with the inclination to blow up a plane could just sail right through.
But don't allow these "real facts" to deter you from your comforting little delusion that it's only those of middle-eastern extraction whom we need to watch out for.
Your "scheme" leaves holes a mile wide through which anyone with the inclination to blow up a plane could just sail right through.
But don't allow these "real facts" to deter you from your comforting little delusion that it's only those of middle-eastern extraction whom we need to watch out for.
come on you have to do better than that, at least try and come up with a solution if you are going to debunk mine.
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That's because the one currently in implementation is doing just fine to address those "real facts" that you conveniently choose to ignore.
NephthysWanderer the Charming said
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I bow down to your superior eloquence, political insight, thought provoking theories and general wit and humour. Excuse me for amusing myself at your expense.
Dude, You Rock!
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I find you to be the most boring poster on this site. That alone says alot.
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I wouldn't hold your breath Mr Poopy Panties.
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Am I the only one who is wondering who the f'uck Doug is or why we care about his job bagging groceries at Safeway?
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I doubt those pics are of angry Doug...
There must be 2 of them! Craziness!
There must be 2 of them! Craziness!
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Gonna find my baby, gonna hold her tight
gonna grab some afternoon delight.
My motto's always been; when it's right, it's right.
Why wait until the middle of a cold dark night.
When everything's a little clearer in the light of day.
And you know the night is always gonna be there any way.
gonna grab some afternoon delight.
My motto's always been; when it's right, it's right.
Why wait until the middle of a cold dark night.
When everything's a little clearer in the light of day.
And you know the night is always gonna be there any way.
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There's a "Katie's a barnyard animal" and an Aegis joke in there somewhere. Just make up something funny, chuckle, and then pretend I was creative enough to come up with it.
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I bow down to your superior eloquence, political insight, thought provoking theories and general wit and humour. Excuse me for amusing myself at your expense.
Dude, You Rock!
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
Funny how many non Arabic/Indian islamic terrorists have commited suicide bomb attacks ever?
Ever? Kamikaze's come to mind...
So do the Tamil Tigers. The Chechnians seems to make use of the tactic as well. Wasn't the tactic also used in Vietnam?
Wow, that's like... white and yellow you have to check for now, too! Only the Indians (Casino, not slurpee) can pass through checkpoints without a scan!
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
That's a great idea! We'll just stop Muslim people at the airports. In order to make them more easily identifyable, we'll make them wear little crescent moon badges on all of their clothing! It would work great! I can't possibly see where that could head culturally!
Tell them to quit trying to ruin humanity and you wouldn't have to.
And you're missing a big piece in your Godwin's theory here....the Jews didn't march around Germany trying to blow everyone up who disagreed with them.
But the Germans *believed* they were (metaphorically anyway), and that's what counts.
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Ever? Kamikaze's come to mind...
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So do the Tamil Tigers
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The Chechnians seems to make use of the tactic as well
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Wasn't the tactic also used in Vietnam?
Read the quote next time.
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But the Germans *believed* they were (metaphorically anyway), and that's what counts.
But it's easier to avoid the issue and quote godwins than it is to attually try and see if you can come up with a real solution.
I started this thread with a question:- Would it really be impossible to target the searches to the people who we know are going to be commiting the acts?
People seem to be largely ignoring that.
Edited, Aug 14th 2006 at 7:56pm EDT by tarv
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I am talking about the millions of my money being used to screen every single passenger that boards a plane, when the threat is from a specific group of people that are from ONE ethnic group.
If the Chinesse where bombing us i would only search chineese. If the Scandinavians where bombing us i would only search the Scandinavians.
I see no point stoping a group of girls on thier way to Kos on holiday from carrying liquids on a plane when it is blatently obvious that they are not in a high risk group.
Take of your "racism" cap and look at it from a logical and logistical point of view and you might get when i am driving at.
If the Chinesse where bombing us i would only search chineese. If the Scandinavians where bombing us i would only search the Scandinavians.
I see no point stoping a group of girls on thier way to Kos on holiday from carrying liquids on a plane when it is blatently obvious that they are not in a high risk group.
Take of your "racism" cap and look at it from a logical and logistical point of view and you might get when i am driving at.
Every race has something they're more likely to do than other races based on statistics.
Do you want to start putting black people on automatic parole at birth because blacks are a "high risk group" for comitting crime?
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..... At the moment you are trapping everyone. 200,000 people out of 200,000
If you where to only stop those who are of Arabic/Indian/Pakistani decent. (lets say 1%)
all of a sudden you are now only trapping 2000 with 198,000 people of other nationalities go through without the same stringent checks (just the normal ones as before) that removes 99% of the extra workload and cost correct?
Now can we argee that if there is going to be a fundamentalist islamic bomber the chances are extremely high that it's going to be a male of Arabic/Indian/Pakistani decent?
If the police are monitoring people who are frequenting places that are the hotbeds of said Fundermentalist views the small number of non Arabic/Indian?pakistani background are going to be alot easier to monitor as they would stand out and thier change in behaviour far easier to spot.
These people could be added to the Interpol records and would be subjected to the same level of extra scruteny as the 1%.
How can that be less effective?
If you where to only stop those who are of Arabic/Indian/Pakistani decent. (lets say 1%)
all of a sudden you are now only trapping 2000 with 198,000 people of other nationalities go through without the same stringent checks (just the normal ones as before) that removes 99% of the extra workload and cost correct?
Now can we argee that if there is going to be a fundamentalist islamic bomber the chances are extremely high that it's going to be a male of Arabic/Indian/Pakistani decent?
If the police are monitoring people who are frequenting places that are the hotbeds of said Fundermentalist views the small number of non Arabic/Indian?pakistani background are going to be alot easier to monitor as they would stand out and thier change in behaviour far easier to spot.
These people could be added to the Interpol records and would be subjected to the same level of extra scruteny as the 1%.
How can that be less effective?
More effective at stopping terrorism, sure. Also more effective at stooping to the same level as terrorists. So it's a wash.
Thank you tricky you're the first person to atually adress my points.
tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
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The Chechnians seems to make use of the tactic as well
Not sucide bombers
Chechnya suicide bombers
My apologies, I thought you meant Arabic Islamic/Indian Islamic suicide bombers.
And like hell the Chechens didn't use suicide bombs - they use female suicide bombers!
But on to the shifty muslims (it's odd that you keep changing things here - you want Mr Hussein searched... what if he's Chaldean? You after Muslims or Brownies?):
The Eastern Tamil province is quite Muslim - more use of female suicide bombers.
Jermaine Lindsay: one of four July 7 Tube bombers. Briton of Jamaican origin, converted to Islam
Richard Reid: tried to blow up a commercial flight with a shoe bomb. English mother and Jamaican father, converted to Islam while serving at young offenders' institution
Black Widows: Chechen female suicide bombers, widows of fighters killed by the Russian Army
linky
Indonesians too!
Your parachute's failing...
And like hell the Chechens didn't use suicide bombs - they use female suicide bombers!
But on to the shifty muslims (it's odd that you keep changing things here - you want Mr Hussein searched... what if he's Chaldean? You after Muslims or Brownies?):
The Eastern Tamil province is quite Muslim - more use of female suicide bombers.
Jermaine Lindsay: one of four July 7 Tube bombers. Briton of Jamaican origin, converted to Islam
Richard Reid: tried to blow up a commercial flight with a shoe bomb. English mother and Jamaican father, converted to Islam while serving at young offenders' institution
Black Widows: Chechen female suicide bombers, widows of fighters killed by the Russian Army
linky
Indonesians too!
Your parachute's failing...
tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
I started this thread with a question:- Would it really be impossible to target the searches to the people who we know are going to be commiting the acts?
People seem to be largely ignoring that.
People seem to be largely ignoring that.
Yes, it would be impossible. You don't seem to recognize that terrorist tactics are ever-evolving, that's what's causing your delays right now, in fact. Bad guys noticed all sorts of containers were allowed in carry-on so long as they contained some delicious or useful liquid, paste or my personal favorite, jelly.
You honestly think that implementation of your racial profiling wet-dream wouldn't result in different recruiting practices? Or maybe they'd just start taking the train more. In any case, it's demonstrated that the bad men are very adaptable, and eager to take advantage of the openings given to them.
If safety and prevention are your goal, then the things currently being done are the prudent path, but if you're just looking to speed up your stay at the airport, well, you can't really have it both ways.
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