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#27 Aug 14 2006 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Barkingturtle wrote:
Peruvians are brown, aren't they? I don't see the difference.


Do they wear stuff on their heads though?

Hats should be banned on planes! That'd solve everything!

#28 Aug 14 2006 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
That's a great idea! We'll just stop Muslim people at the airports. In order to make them more easily identifyable, we'll make them wear little crescent moon badges on all of their clothing! It would work great! I can't possibly see where that could head culturally!


Tell them to quit trying to ruin humanity and you wouldn't have to.

And you're missing a big piece in your Godwin's theory here....the Jews didn't march around Germany trying to blow everyone up who disagreed with them.
#29 Aug 14 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
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Depends. Where's the terrorism? Cause all Peruvian terrorism is done by Peruvians.
WTF are you talking about Flea?

did you even read the first post?
Not all of it. Of course not. Too wordy.
WTF are you talking about? You honestly think it's okay to take something totally subjective, like percieved nationality, and make it a guidepost for a different set of rules to live by?
#30 Aug 14 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
where exactly do you think Pakistan came from Deb? Wales?


Oooh a migratory nation! Kinda like Israel only, you know, ebil.

#31 Aug 14 2006 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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WTF are you talking about? You honestly think it's okay to take something totally subjective, like percieved nationality, and make it a guidepost for a different set of rules to live by?
I am talking about the millions of my money being used to screen every single passenger that boards a plane, when the threat is from a specific group of people that are from ONE ethnic group.

If the Chinesse where bombing us i would only search chineese. If the Scandinavians where bombing us i would only search the Scandinavians.

I see no point stoping a group of girls on thier way to Kos on holiday from carrying liquids on a plane when it is blatently obvious that they are not in a high risk group.

Take of your "racism" cap and look at it from a logical and logistical point of view and you might get when i am driving at.
#32 Aug 14 2006 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
I live in the inner city, such as it is here in Southern California. No idea who the drug dealers are, but I'm certain they exist within one block of my house - drugs are virtually the national pastime - billions of US dollars, huge number of people involved.

Terrorism, on the other hand, is a tiny pasttime, tiny ammounts of money, tiny numbers of people involved. The most active groups are ecoterrorists, although they are not the most damaging to human life the commit the most acts (according to FBI statistics). We don't really have much luck rooting them out and they are far, far more open about what they do.

Thus I simply don't buy it that the islamic community can snap their fingers and make these people go away any more then, say, the evangalistic community can snap their fingers and make abortion clinic bombers go away.

Can they help? Certainly. I'd go further: with effort the community can be the key (the most important component) in solving the problem.

Should we profile the entire segment because of the actions of the few? Certainly not. For me, this is a hallmark of civilizaton - such as not using force to coerce confessions (torture). I feel both are counterproductive - but apparently I am in the minority on both counts.

Not a single sacrifice should be made to civil liberty to "fight" terrorism that is not sacrificed to, say, fight street gangs. (This is not to say not a single sacrifice should be made - just no more, for example habius corpus, handing criminal suspects over to the CIA or foreign governments for interrogation).

Yet I can only conclude from my fellow citizens actions that the majority are perfectly willing to lay open all kinds of personal info and freedom since they are not objecting and don't vote out the politicians who do it.

Terrorism is a crime used since biblical times and to try to eradicate it entirely at any cost will certainly end in a police state.

I'm sure some people must have died in California as a result of terrorism but none come to my mind and the number is likely very small. Gangs, by contrast, kill every day.

Humans are famously bad at assessing risk (see, for example, SARS) but in this case the consequences are so bad that I cannot imagine continuing this line of policy (which is advocated by so many here and elsewhere) without eternal damage to the national character and reputation.

When this current ferver passes I predict the majority wake up one day and realize how dirty their hands are with crimes unimaginable to their children.

Please don't be one of them.

Seriously,

Yossarian
#34 Aug 14 2006 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
That's a great idea! We'll just stop Muslim people at the airports. In order to make them more easily identifyable, we'll make them wear little crescent moon badges on all of their clothing! It would work great! I can't possibly see where that could head culturally!


Tell them to quit trying to ruin humanity and you wouldn't have to.

And you're missing a big piece in your Godwin's theory here....the Jews didn't march around Germany trying to blow everyone up who disagreed with them.


No, they just killed the son of God.
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#35 Aug 14 2006 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Youshutup wrote:
that bloody idiot wrote:
Tell them to quit trying to ruin humanity and you wouldn't have to.


Who's them?

Muslims? Or muslim terrorists?

There's a > 1 : 0.01 here, so you might want to make the distinction.


Any darky. Duh.
#36 Aug 14 2006 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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No, they just killed the son of God.
You mean the Alledged son of god killed by a Roman not a Jew?
#37 Aug 14 2006 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
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No, they just killed the son of God.
You mean the Alledged son of god killed by a Roman not a Jew?


Hey, I'm just going by what Mel told me after a few beers.
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#39 Aug 14 2006 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, the logic is perfectly clear chaps, it does indeed make sense.. if you don't believe in quality.


What are you selling?



I liked the typo better.

Edited, Aug 14th 2006 at 2:28pm EDT by Barkingturtle
#40 Aug 14 2006 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Equality.

You believe all people are equal at birth, that their conduct and actions are the only things worthy of review when deciding whether the government should reward or punish them, or you don't.

Yes, the logic is perfectly clear chaps, it does indeed make sense.. if you don't believe in equality.
hate to breakit to you but muslims don't believe in equality.
#41 Aug 14 2006 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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No, they just killed the son of God.


Well technically wasn't it a Roman who stabbed him with a spear? You should be hating on the I-ties.

Edti: Damned slow *** servers

Edited, Aug 14th 2006 at 2:30pm EDT by BloodwolfeX
#43 Aug 14 2006 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
hate to breakit to you but muslims don't believe in equality.



Well then perhaps we'd be justified in adopting some more of their behaviors, since two wrongs make a right.

And what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

And an eye for an eye.

I'm out of logical farts, care to spare one of yours?


Edited, Aug 14th 2006 at 2:34pm EDT by Barkingturtle
#44 Aug 14 2006 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
Take of your "racism" cap and look at it from a logical and logistical point of view and you might get when i am driving at.
It's one thing to claim to make sense, another to assume control of my accessories. Step off, ******. Hats mess up my hair.

As for my point, it's that I am honestly flabbergasted at the belief that your nation is racially homgenous (few are, especially in this day and age)to the point where you can distinguish 'us' from 'them'.

For example, I look Asian. Ask anyone. Not a drop of Asian blood in me, but if you are profiling, I would get stopped and searched every time. I am, however, Irish-Italian-Peruvian by blood, Ethnically Peruvian-American, American by citizenship and I only look Asian. That's what I'm driving at-that your method would actually be LESS effective, both trapping people who are not even your target, and letting others slide base on the fact that their looks don't fit your profile.
#45 Aug 14 2006 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
Flea is obviously good at math.
#46 Aug 14 2006 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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Barkingturtle wrote:
Flea is obviously good at math.
You should my Hello Kitty collection.
#47 Aug 14 2006 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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Barkingturtle wrote:
Flea is obviously good at math.


And she can drink you under the table!
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#48 Aug 14 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Neither do you, you ignroant ****.
I believe that if 99% of the threat comes from a certain area within the population you do not target the entire poulation equally.

Do i believe that muslims have a right to preach and live by thier religion: Yes.

Do i believe that the majority of Muslims are fine upstanding people with no thoughts of terrorism? : Yes.

Do i believe that the there is an equal threat from the christian population as there is from the Muslim population : No. Do you?
#49 Aug 14 2006 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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Kakar wrote:
Barkingturtle wrote:
Flea is obviously good at math.


And she can drink you under the table!
And yet, I am all kinds of Catholic.


Tarv, no one objects to your beliefs. You can believe that all you want, and you may even be right, but what you propose isn't only unfeasable due to most countries' basic respect of human rights, but also as effective as pointing to anyone with a headscarf, darker than tan and lighter than coal and saying "Maybe. Let's probe inside his **** cavity".

#50 Aug 14 2006 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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And she can drink you under the table!


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Irish-Italian-Peruvian by blood


Well duh!
#51 Aug 14 2006 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
"Maybe. Let's probe inside his **** cavity".



Poor Eldy.

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