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#1 Aug 13 2006 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-08-13T165540Z_01_L10356763_RTRUKOC_0_US-SCIENCE-PLUTO.xml&archived=False&src=081306_1309_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters

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PRAGUE (Reuters) - Despite being the farthest planet from Earth in our solar system, Pluto has come under attack from astronomers and may be about to lose its status in the battle.

Some 3,000 astronomers and scientists from around the world will meet in Prague this week to decide whether Pluto, discovered in 1930, measures up to the definition of a planet.

In defining for the first time what exactly a planet is, the International Astronomers Union (IAU) may be forced to downgrade Pluto's status, or add as many as 14 others.

Such a decision would send shockwaves through the scientific community, instantly outdate textbooks, and cause educators to re-teach the basics of our solar system.

"The pivotal question is the status of Pluto, which is clearly very different from Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune," Owen Gingerich, professor of Astronomy and History of Science emeritus a the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics told Reuters.

Debate has raged within the scientific community over the status of Pluto for decades after the planet was found to be only one four-hundredths of the mass of the earth.

That discussion intensified in 2003 when astronomers at the California Institute of Technology discovered UB 313. Nicknamed Xena after the character in the television show, UB 313 is one of more than a dozen celestial bodies in our solar system found to be larger than Pluto.

Xena and Pluto are large icy bodies that reside in the Kuiper Belt -- where thousands of floating bodies travel -- beyond Neptune. Images from the Hubble Space Telescope put Xena's diameter at 1,490 miles or so. That is slightly bigger than Pluto, which measures 1,422 miles across.

Gingerich is the chair of a committee that was asked to come up with a definition of a planet and hand it to the IAU general assembly, which runs August 14-25.

In the run-up to the assembly, emotions have been running high in both directions.

Some have appealed to Gingerich's group not to downgrade Pluto, saying it would disappoint children and throw our understanding of the universe into chaos.

Others say let the chips fall where they may and seem to relish the idea of overturning our current view of the universe.

Gingerich said that modern technologies have allowed scientists to delve into the solar system further, and in more detail, than ever before. Therefore, it is no surprise that questions on the fundamental assumptions of it are arising.

"Should it (Pluto), for historical reasons, be considered a planet like the rest?" Gingerich asks, refusing to tip his hand on how the seven-member group has agreed after deciding on the wording in June.

Scientists say the group may make a new class of planets that accepts large bodies such as Xena and Pluto that do not measure up to the eight larger planets. They could also drop Pluto's status as a planet or expand the list of planets to include many similarly-sized bodies found in the solar system.

#2 Aug 13 2006 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I'll say that this:

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Some have appealed to Gingerich's group not to downgrade Pluto, saying it would disappoint children and throw our understanding of the universe into chaos.


...seems like a very unscientific approach to the issue. I hope nothing like that motivates the decision.

Edited, Aug 13th 2006 at 5:13pm EDT by Eske
#3 Aug 13 2006 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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I think they should just get rid of Uranus and save the next generation the joke.

Be done with it already!
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#4 Aug 13 2006 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Tare wrote:
I think they should just get rid of Uranus

But then how would they ****?
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#5 Aug 13 2006 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Whether or not it "upsets the children" should DEFINATELY not be a factor in the decision. And:

"Oh no! The teachers will have to leave out Pluto in their lesson plans! Or just say, 'And up until 2006, Pluto, just beyond Neptune, was also concidered a planet. Nowadays there's a new term for large bodies of mass that just aren't up to scale with the other 8 planets, and that term is ____'"

Didn't Pluto start out as a moon and only gain planetary status somewhere in the late 20th century?
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#8 Aug 13 2006 at 5:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Didn't Pluto start out as a moon and only gain planetary status somewhere in the late 20th century?
I don't think so. According to Nineplanets.org (an excellent site for novice astromony),
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Pluto was discovered in 1930 by a fortunate accident. Calculations which later turned out to be in error had predicted a planet beyond Neptune, based on the motions of Uranus and Neptune. Not knowing of the error, Clyde W. Tombaugh at Lowell Observatory in Arizona did a very careful sky survey which turned up Pluto anyway.
And, according to Wikipdia, in naming the new planet:
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In the matter of Pluto, the discretion of naming the new object belonged to the Lowell Observatory and its director, Vesto Melvin Slipher, who, in the words of Tombaugh, was "urged to suggest a name for the new planet before someone else did."
Note the word 'planet' being used from the start.

I'd think that, even if Pluto was offically changed, it'll still wind up living on for another generation or two in popular culture and thought as a planet. Kind of like brotosaurus vs apatosaurus.
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#9 Aug 13 2006 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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Apatosaurus? Smiley: confused

I'll have to drive my Datsun to the Amoco station by Comiskey Park and find out what that is.

#10 Aug 13 2006 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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Also, I don't think Pluto was ever considered a moon because it doesn't revolve around another planet. Pluto would more likely be classified as a "minor planet," a large comet, or "binary planet" with its own moon, Charon.

#11 Aug 13 2006 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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What a total waste of time and money.

#12 Aug 13 2006 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
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For some reason I thought of popeye when reading this.

...was pluto even from popeye?

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You're thinking of Bluto.
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Apatosaurus? Smiley: confused

I'll have to drive my Datsun to the Amoco station by Comiskey Park and find out what that is.
Except that Apatosaurs is the real scientific name. Technically, there's no such thing as the Brontosaurus.
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#14 Aug 14 2006 at 12:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is this some shifty way for unusually endowed scientists to prove that size matters? A slippery slope, I tell ya.


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Except that Apatosaurs is the real scientific name. Technically, there's no such thing as the Brontosaurus.


Oh sure, now that you've shed "supposively" you're going to get all self-righteous on people!

#15 Aug 14 2006 at 2:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Did anyone check to see if Pluto gives a fuck?
#16 Aug 14 2006 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
Pluto should be a sub planet, that would make both sides happy and start naming the other larger massed objects sub planets as well, but drop the name Xena.

#17 Aug 14 2006 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
Heartless bastards. Nuking Pluto will never be forgiven by the kids.
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#18 Aug 14 2006 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Except that Apatosaurs is the real scientific name. Technically, there's no such thing as the Brontosaurus.

Then what the hell was in those burgers the Flintstones always ate?
#19 Aug 14 2006 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Such a decision would send shockwaves through the scientific community, instantly outdate textbooks, and cause educators to re-teach the basics of our solar system.



Outdated text books? Ive had text books that older members of my family have had from when they went to school >.>

#20 Aug 14 2006 at 11:27 PM Rating: Good
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Speaking of killing Pluto, I was driving to work tonight and saw some lady trying to coax a German Shepherd off the right lane of Highway 99 tonight as cars and trucks were whizzing past them. I have no idea how the dog got there in the first place, but I suspect by the way the dog looked very intimidated and confused that shortly after I passed them by at 80 mph the the pooch was turned into a field expedient animal skin rug.

I could easily imagine that the dog would run out into the center lane, cause a car/truck to swerve and smack the chick trying to be a hero. She was squatting down to make herself more inviting to the dog, but she was awfully close to the edge of the lane and hunkered down, which would make her harder to see.

Not smart.

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#21 Aug 15 2006 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
Totem, it is natural selection. Being stupid near a highway is just...stupid!

Pluto should stay simply otherwise our planet ends at Uranus
#22 Aug 15 2006 at 8:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Didn't the world used to be flat at some point in time too until someone woke up and smelled the herb?

Making a mistake is not something to be afraid of. Not learning from a mistake, on the other hand, is.

So someone with a 70 year old telescope saw something and called it a planet and the rest of the world went along with it. Now we know better. Accept it and move on.
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So someone with a 70 year old telescope saw something and called it a planet and the rest of the world went along with it. Now we know better. Accept it and move on.
Well, it's not actually not a planet until they arrive at a true definition of what a planet is. So far the definition seems to be as basic as "spherical object in rotation around the sun" (well, not counting other star systems).
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#24 Aug 15 2006 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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They're going put Pluto to sleep.
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#25 Aug 15 2006 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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She was squatting down to make herself more inviting...


I would have stopped.
#26 Aug 15 2006 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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... instantly outdate textbooks...

This is nothing new...textbooks have been outdated for decades...Columbus didn't discover America...The first known European to find America was Leif Ericsson (he lived between AD 970 -1020)...this is all forgetting about the people that "found" this land when the crossed the land bridge following their food around.

Textbooks also claim that Lincoln "freed" the slaves...when he did not. He only "freed" the slaves in the union, not the Confederacy as has been believed for decades now.
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