im watching an interview with this.....thing/. he is going on and on about how Israel is going overboard with their attacks. hiw it is Israles fault the two soldiers were kidnapped for not letting the terrorist they didnt kill but arrested instead back out of jail. how Hezbola,s actions are no where near as serious as the atrocities being done by Israel right now.
and im thinking.
what would we do if, say, mexico started lobbing missles across the texas border indescrimiantly. would we lob back 1 for 1? would we be "fair" about our response? nope, we would level their entire country back to its foundation and declair the entire thing "NEW or SOUTH" texas. and if that didnt work, a big mushroom cloud and a new glass parking lot for the biggest walmart you have ever seen would be ok for most of us too.
but the interview gives a snapshot of how these people think. toss in the thousands of people in the streets of Bagdad taking a break from killing each other to chant support for Hezbola, and "death to Israel", you begine to understand a reality.
some people should NEVER be free. some people should NEVER have a say in how their country is run. not me really, i have always understood that. but it is right there for the rest of america to see now too. well, those that bother to switch from the sports channel to see whats going on in their world anyway.
the other reality is, they have no friggin clue about how Americans feel, or the rest of the civilized world for that matter. they really may be just too stupid to let live.
lets offer up Iraq and Lebonon to China. we can use the oil in Iraq as a barganing chip to force them to take Lebonon too. mabe toss in Hati to boot. China is much easier to deal with.
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shadowrelm wrote:
what would we do if, say, mexico started lobbing missles across the texas border indescrimiantly.
Be very, very surprised?
Do what now?
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Posted: Aug 04 2006 at 11:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Be very, very surprised?
Think i found something that is o so true about this Leader in Lebanon
NOTE: Found this on the monkly-business forums
Here is the Link from the Monkly-Business forums that someone posted to this article
NOTE: Found this on the monkly-business forums
Quote:
President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.
Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:
1. Instigate a war.
2. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your *** handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire.
3. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.
4. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.
This tactic has never failed. Not once.
In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!
President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."
Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.
And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw.
As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.
Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:
1. Instigate a war.
2. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your *** handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire.
3. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.
4. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.
This tactic has never failed. Not once.
In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!
President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."
Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.
And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw.
As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.
Here is the Link from the Monkly-Business forums that someone posted to this article
not that i disagree entirely with that artical, but:
is not exactly true. hezbollah has been there for some time. since Isreal attacked Leb. years ago for their terrorist actions against Isreal, but before Hezbollah was formed. The hezbollah was founded out of that conflict. When Leb. agreed to the cease fire part of that agreement was to disband the Hezbollah, but the Leb. Gov. is NOT powerful enough to do so. not that they have not claimed to want them gone mind you, just that they really and truely do not have the power after the beating they took from isreal last time.
still that being said, it brings up an interesting point about a the tatics used by many Communist supported countries. this again is one of the bad things to the USSR having lost power. at least when the world had 2 true supper powers things were not as bad in the worlds eyes when things went south for some 3rd world country. the US and USSR would take care of things without the rest of the world throwing **** at the US all of the time and blaming the US for everything wrong in the world today.
as far as i am concerned all terrorist need to be quartered and hamstrung and left out to die a slow long painful death for the world to see what happens when you act like an rabid animal. you are removed from the peaceful world.
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Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country.
is not exactly true. hezbollah has been there for some time. since Isreal attacked Leb. years ago for their terrorist actions against Isreal, but before Hezbollah was formed. The hezbollah was founded out of that conflict. When Leb. agreed to the cease fire part of that agreement was to disband the Hezbollah, but the Leb. Gov. is NOT powerful enough to do so. not that they have not claimed to want them gone mind you, just that they really and truely do not have the power after the beating they took from isreal last time.
still that being said, it brings up an interesting point about a the tatics used by many Communist supported countries. this again is one of the bad things to the USSR having lost power. at least when the world had 2 true supper powers things were not as bad in the worlds eyes when things went south for some 3rd world country. the US and USSR would take care of things without the rest of the world throwing **** at the US all of the time and blaming the US for everything wrong in the world today.
as far as i am concerned all terrorist need to be quartered and hamstrung and left out to die a slow long painful death for the world to see what happens when you act like an rabid animal. you are removed from the peaceful world.
Nobby's Analysis
Lebanon is too weak to contain Hezbollah's terrorists.
Hezbollah is out to foment major conflict through random violence, in the hope that it will escalate their issues onto the world stage. (Achieved)
They try to provoke Israel into blind retaliation without thinking through the consequences (achieved)
Hezbollah keep provoking Israel into more and more barbaric acts (achieved)
The Shia and Christian Lebanese turn from opposing Hezbollah to expressing their full support (Achieved)
Way to go Israel. You have the support of USA and UK, you have an Uber Army, and you're clawing a 5-1 defeat from the jaws of victory
Lebanon is too weak to contain Hezbollah's terrorists.
Hezbollah is out to foment major conflict through random violence, in the hope that it will escalate their issues onto the world stage. (Achieved)
They try to provoke Israel into blind retaliation without thinking through the consequences (achieved)
Hezbollah keep provoking Israel into more and more barbaric acts (achieved)
The Shia and Christian Lebanese turn from opposing Hezbollah to expressing their full support (Achieved)
Way to go Israel. You have the support of USA and UK, you have an Uber Army, and you're clawing a 5-1 defeat from the jaws of victory
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
now some human rights group is slamming Israel with war crimes for killing civilians, and yet, saying nothing to Hezboloa.
kind of like the problem child in the familey always getting into truouble. when he does something bad, you ignore it. saying anything would get nothing accomplished, he will just mess up again. but slam the straight kid with restrictions and take his car away becuase...you know he cares.
my personal sentiment, israel should destroy as much of Lebonon as possible. everything. electric, water, bussiness, everything. leave nothing. and keep pounding them untill the rockets stop falling within their borders.
then, unlike the U.S., withdraw and leave it a mess with absolutly no recourse for recovering from their pockets.
the problem with terrorism is, you have no clear target. the logical solution is to totally destroy the country allowing them to operate within its borders. one of two things will happen. 1. the people who end up in charge with Lebonon wont want to start another war and again destroy everything they invest into their country, or 2. Hezbola will take over the whole country making it REAL EASY to identify the target the next time they get stupid.
civilains die in war. clearly Hezbola hates Israel more than they care about the citizens of Lebonon. if thats ok with the citizens of Lebonon, as is apparent by their support, then being destroyed along side of them shouldnt bother them or any one else that much.
look at all the protests in the streets of Bagdad going on. chanting death to Israel, death to America, and dancing in the streets when news of Hezbola rockets slamming indescrimenet targets within israel.
we want to liberate these people? put them in charge of a whole country?
frek them. we should withdraw right now and leave it the mess it is. if they are too stupid to not understand attacking someone unprovoked because you dont like their religion is a bad thing, then why in hell should we waste our tax dollars and our children to give them a better life?
getting rid of Hussin was stupid. giving them money and the lives of our children is even more stupid. let Iran have it. ***** them. they want to kill us. they will kill us the first time we turn our back and leave them an opening.
let them kill each other. and nuke the first fool over there that develops a longrange WMD as a lesson to the rest of them.
these people have no respect for life. so why should we respect theirs?
oil. thats why. blood for oil. welcome to the moral majority.
kind of like the problem child in the familey always getting into truouble. when he does something bad, you ignore it. saying anything would get nothing accomplished, he will just mess up again. but slam the straight kid with restrictions and take his car away becuase...you know he cares.
my personal sentiment, israel should destroy as much of Lebonon as possible. everything. electric, water, bussiness, everything. leave nothing. and keep pounding them untill the rockets stop falling within their borders.
then, unlike the U.S., withdraw and leave it a mess with absolutly no recourse for recovering from their pockets.
the problem with terrorism is, you have no clear target. the logical solution is to totally destroy the country allowing them to operate within its borders. one of two things will happen. 1. the people who end up in charge with Lebonon wont want to start another war and again destroy everything they invest into their country, or 2. Hezbola will take over the whole country making it REAL EASY to identify the target the next time they get stupid.
civilains die in war. clearly Hezbola hates Israel more than they care about the citizens of Lebonon. if thats ok with the citizens of Lebonon, as is apparent by their support, then being destroyed along side of them shouldnt bother them or any one else that much.
look at all the protests in the streets of Bagdad going on. chanting death to Israel, death to America, and dancing in the streets when news of Hezbola rockets slamming indescrimenet targets within israel.
we want to liberate these people? put them in charge of a whole country?
frek them. we should withdraw right now and leave it the mess it is. if they are too stupid to not understand attacking someone unprovoked because you dont like their religion is a bad thing, then why in hell should we waste our tax dollars and our children to give them a better life?
getting rid of Hussin was stupid. giving them money and the lives of our children is even more stupid. let Iran have it. ***** them. they want to kill us. they will kill us the first time we turn our back and leave them an opening.
let them kill each other. and nuke the first fool over there that develops a longrange WMD as a lesson to the rest of them.
these people have no respect for life. so why should we respect theirs?
oil. thats why. blood for oil. welcome to the moral majority.
No! You're the prime minister of lebanon!
My, oh my, this doesn't fly very high.
I don't mind people not giving a sh*t about what happens in the world.
But if you do, and are going to write about it, please make sure you have *some* idea about what the hell is going on. I know it's a lot to ask, but with the internets and all, it really can't be so hard...
So...
First of all, it's Lebanon.
Second, your metaphor with Mexico and the US is stupid. Unless, that is, we pretend that Mexico was created 30 years ago, that it is not a "state" but an organisation living inside another state (that we could call, erm, "Lebononon"?), that Mexico had just kidnapped two US soliders, that Lebononno was too weak to do much about it, but that another state (that we could call "Syryrya") could do something about it, etc...
So no, it's not the same, unless we make it completely different.
Third, this:
is complete bullshit.
"He" didn't do anything. Until recently, his country (Lebanon) was occupied, and run, by Syria. Hezbullah have been in Southern Lebanon for a long time, and was created because Israel was occupying Southern Lebanon. Hezbullah is not just a terrorist organisation, it is also a charity in Lebanon, taking care of many public services. It is mostly funded by Syria and Iran. And Syria is the only country that can control what goes through their border with Lebanon.
Lebanon is an extremely weak country. It was not properly independant until less than a year ago. It has an extremely weak army.
And finally. ISrael occupied Southern Lebanon for 15 years, with the hope of getting rid of Hezbollah. They, the great regional superpower didn't manage it in 15 years.
And now we're asking a new country with a weaki army to do in two weeks what Israel couldn't do in 15 years?
It is a complicated topic, like most things in the Middle-East. I would suggest that blinded ignorance and a manichean rethoric are not the best way to approach this subject.
Edited, Aug 7th 2006 at 6:10am EDT by RedPhoenixxxxxx
I don't mind people not giving a sh*t about what happens in the world.
But if you do, and are going to write about it, please make sure you have *some* idea about what the hell is going on. I know it's a lot to ask, but with the internets and all, it really can't be so hard...
So...
First of all, it's Lebanon.
Second, your metaphor with Mexico and the US is stupid. Unless, that is, we pretend that Mexico was created 30 years ago, that it is not a "state" but an organisation living inside another state (that we could call, erm, "Lebononon"?), that Mexico had just kidnapped two US soliders, that Lebononno was too weak to do much about it, but that another state (that we could call "Syryrya") could do something about it, etc...
So no, it's not the same, unless we make it completely different.
Third, this:
Quote:
He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.
is complete bullshit.
"He" didn't do anything. Until recently, his country (Lebanon) was occupied, and run, by Syria. Hezbullah have been in Southern Lebanon for a long time, and was created because Israel was occupying Southern Lebanon. Hezbullah is not just a terrorist organisation, it is also a charity in Lebanon, taking care of many public services. It is mostly funded by Syria and Iran. And Syria is the only country that can control what goes through their border with Lebanon.
Lebanon is an extremely weak country. It was not properly independant until less than a year ago. It has an extremely weak army.
And finally. ISrael occupied Southern Lebanon for 15 years, with the hope of getting rid of Hezbollah. They, the great regional superpower didn't manage it in 15 years.
And now we're asking a new country with a weaki army to do in two weeks what Israel couldn't do in 15 years?
It is a complicated topic, like most things in the Middle-East. I would suggest that blinded ignorance and a manichean rethoric are not the best way to approach this subject.
Edited, Aug 7th 2006 at 6:10am EDT by RedPhoenixxxxxx
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