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#1 Aug 01 2006 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
Alright now normaly I don't repost links but you have to read this and laugh at how freaking backwards these people are.





Museum tells Earth's history with Bible

By DYLAN T. LOVAN
Associated Press Writer


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PETERSBURG, Ky. (AP) -- Like most natural history museums, this one has exhibits showing dinosaurs roaming the Earth. Except here, the giant reptiles share the forest with Adam and Eve.

That, of course, is contradicted by science, but that's the point of the $25 million Creation Museum rising fast in rural Kentucky.

Its inspiration is the Bible - the literal interpretation that contends God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in them just a few thousand years ago.

"If the Bible is the word of God, and its history really is true, that's our presupposition or axiom, and we are starting there," museum founder Ken Ham said during recent tour of the sleek and modern facility, which is due to open next year.




Ham, an Australian native who started the Christian publishing company Answers in Genesis in the late 1970s, said the goal of his privately funded museum is to change minds and rebut the scientific point of view.

"We're going to show you that we can make sense of the different people groups, we can make sense of fossils, we can make sense of what you see in the world," he said.

Visitors to the museum, a few miles from Cincinnati, will be able to watch the story of creation unfold in a 180-seat special-effects theater, see a 40-foot-tall recreation of a section of Noah's Ark and stare into the jaws of robotic dinosaurs.

"It's education, but it's also doing it in an entertaining way," Ham said.

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Scientists say fossils and sophisticated nuclear dating technology show that the Earth is more than 4 billion years old, the first dinosaurs appeared around 200 million years ago, and they died out well before the first human ancestors arose a few million years ago.

"Genesis is not science," said Mary Dawson, curator emeritus of vertebrate paleontology at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh. "Genesis is a tale that was handed down for generations by people who really knew nothing about science, who knew nothing about natural history, and certainly knew nothing about what fossils were."

Ham said he believes most fossils are the result of the Great Flood described in Genesis.

Mark Looy, a vice president at Answers in Genesis, said the museum has received at least $21 million in private donations. He said two anonymous donors have given $1 million, and he expects the museum to be debt-free when it opens next May.

John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research in San Diego, an organization that promotes creationism, said the museum will affirm the doubts many people have about science, namely the notion that man evolved from lower forms of life.

"Americans just aren't gullible enough to believe that they came from a fish," he said.


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#2 Aug 01 2006 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
Just another crackpot wasting away $25 million dollars on a gigantic waste of development space. $25 million dollars that could feed the hungry, or help fund scientific research into treatments for diseases. His last name suits him perfectly, though.
#3 Aug 01 2006 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Queue Evolotion/Creation debate in 3... 2....



actually... any person familiar with Christian studies ever hear of the idea of a "water canopy" that supposedly covered the sky in antideluvian times?

I argued with a Christian friend of mine for the longest time about it.. he says that the sky was covered in water and it all fell during the flood.. I told him that was the most ridiculous interpretation I've ever heard about such a thing.

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I still wish people would learn to differentiate between the origins of the spirit and the origins of the body.... It's not that complicated.


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#4 Aug 01 2006 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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I still wish people would learn to differentiate between the origins of the spirit and the origins of the body.... It's not that complicated.

Yeah, it's pretty straightforward: One's made-up, the other's real. Smiley: wink
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#6 Aug 01 2006 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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#7 Aug 02 2006 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
Seriously wasn't trying to start a argument about which is right, basicly I don't care, what ever you follow is what you follow. I just thought it was all flintstons like seeing the cave man next to the dinosaur. Thanks to who ever rated me into the basement...
#8 Aug 02 2006 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
I still wish people would learn to differentiate between the origins of the spirit and the origins of the body.... It's not that complicated.
Which people? Because hardcore Baptists (I'm assuming that's what there are in Kentucky) think God made both.
#9 Aug 02 2006 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to make mention that it's not the Bible that is scientifically incorrect, but it's those individuals who attempt to shoehorn Scripture into a specific agenda which makes such a mess of things. Furthermore, Christians have not cornered the market on trying to portray the Bible in a particularly wrong light. Non-Christians, both antagonistic and sympathetic to religion, have done a remarkable job of making it say things which it does not say.

So a good laugh? I suppose so if your brand of humor runs in the knock-knock joke vein...

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Edited, Aug 2nd 2006 at 12:34pm EDT by Totem
#10 Aug 02 2006 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
I'd like to make mention that it's not the Bible that is scientifically incorrect, but it's those individuals who attempt to showhorn Scripture into a specific agenda which makes such a mess of things.
Well, a literal reading of Genesis is certainly scientifically inaccurate, at least with what we know of biology, geology, astronomy and the rest of the natural sciences.

If you want to argue artistic interpretations and author intent, that's another story. But that's not what Mr. Ham is up to.
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#11 Aug 02 2006 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, it seems Kansas voters think the Bible is incompatible with teaching science, too.
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TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who pushed anti-evolution standards back into Kansas schools last year have lost control of the state Board of Education once again.

The most closely watched race was in western Kansas, where incumbent conservative Connie Morris lost her GOP primary Tuesday. The former teacher had described evolution as "an age-old fairy tale" and "a nice bedtime story" unsupported by science.

As a result of Tuesday's vote, board members and candidates who believe evolution is well-supported by evidence will have a 6-4 majority. Evolution skeptics had entered the election with a 6-4 majority.

Critics of Kansas' science standards worried that if conservatives retained the board's majority, it would lead to attempts in other states to copy the Kansas standards.

"There are people around the country who would like to see the Kansas standards in their own states," said Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, Calif., which supports the teaching of evolution.

Also Tuesday, Kansas Republicans chose a nominee to challenge Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius in November. With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, state Sen. Jim Barnett captured his party's nomination with 36 percent of the vote, besting six other candidates.

Control of the school board has slipped into, out of and back into conservative Republicans' hands since 1998, resulting in anti-evolution standards in 1999, evolution-friendly ones in 2001 and anti-evolution ones again last year.

Late-night comedians have been making cracks about Kansas, portraying it as backward and ignorant. Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" broadcast a four-part series titled, "Evolution Schmevolution."

The school board contest was part of a larger effort by the intelligent design movement to introduce its ideas in public schools.

A suburban Atlanta school district is locked in a legal dispute over its putting stickers in 35,000 biology textbooks declaring evolution "a theory, not a fact."

Last year, in Dover, Pa., voters ousted school board members who had required the biology curriculum to include mention of intelligent design. A federal judge struck down the policy, declaring intelligent design is religion in disguise.

A poll by six news organizations last year suggested about half of Kansans thought evolution should be taught alongside intelligent design.

Proponents of Kansas' latest standards contend they encourage open discussion.

"Students need to have an accurate assessment of the state of the facts in regard to Darwin's theory," said John West, a vice president for the Center for Science and Culture at the Seattle-based, anti-evolution Discovery Institute.

The standards say that the evolutionary theory that all life had a common origin has been challenged by fossils and molecular biology. And they say there is controversy over whether changes over time in one species can lead to a new species.

Three incumbent conservatives faced primary foes Tuesday, and there was a contested GOP race for the seat held by a retiring conservative. A pro-evolution Democratic incumbent also had a challenger.

With almost all the votes counted early Wednesday, pro-evolution Republican Jana Shaver picked off a conservative incumbent and won the primary for the open seat.

Conservative Republican John Bacon kept his seat by besting two pro-evolution challengers, as did another conservative incumbent, Ken Willard. Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who opposed the new standards, easily defeated a more conservative Democrat who favored the anti-evolution language.

#12 Aug 02 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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There's the rub, FleaJo2. Is Genesis a literal description of the event (as many interpret it to be) or is it poetry designed to portray Creation as an act of wonder and God's power? I'm not taking a stand here, but just highlighting the fact that there are those who, like those intent on interpreting current events as evidence of End Times, will attempt to force a particular belief into canonized doctrine.

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#13 Aug 02 2006 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Totem wrote:
There's the rub, FleaJo2.
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Totem wrote:
Is Genesis a literal description of the event (as many interpret it to be) or is it poetry designed to portray Creation as an act of wonder and God's power? I'm not taking a stand here, but just highlighting the fact that there are those who, like those intent on interpreting current events as evidence of End Times, will attempt to force a particular belief into canonized doctrine.
I used to find that this was a small segement of the population, but in the last, oh, 15 years or so, I've really seen this kind of black-and-white stance on religion, where, if you don't believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, it means you have no faith.
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There's the rub, FleaJo2. Is Genesis a literal description of the event (as many interpret it to be) or is it poetry designed to portray Creation as an act of wonder and God's power?
And?

The amusement of this comes not so much from the Bible as a whole as it does from those who refuse to accept the scriptures in anything less than literal terms, including Adam and Eve carvorting amongst the fig tree eating Tyrannosaurs.
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#15 Aug 02 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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including Adam and Eve carvorting amongst the fig tree eating Tyrannosaurs.
Heathen!
Burn him!

#16 Aug 02 2006 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe the serpent was a pterodactyl or something. He'd squawk "Rrrrawk! and Eve thought he was talking to her. After all, it's a proven psychosis where when a social being has no creatures to interact with (and we all know how men are uncomminicative) they will begin hearing voices and talking to themselves.

It could happen...

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#17 Aug 04 2006 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
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The Bible is true. No doubt about it! Paul explains God's authoritative Word, and everyone who rejects His history-including six-day creation and Noah's Flood-is ‘willfully’ ignorant.


Their website is priceless. Take the online tour of the museum.
#18 Aug 04 2006 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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I find it quite disgusting that the Christians who try the hardest to preach the word do the best job of turning people away.

Anyone trying to gleem a timeline of definite events out of Genesis is mistaken.

The bible is rarely completely literal nor all defining of every message. Man just simply can't understand any instruction unless every clause is laid out and explicitly stated.
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Creation Museum wrote:
The Bible is true. No doubt about it! Paul explains God's authoritative Word, and everyone who rejects His history-including six-day creation and Noah's Flood-is ‘willfully’ ignorant.


Their website is priceless. Take the online tour of the museum.


And I quote....
T. rex
T. rex—the real king of the beasts. That’s the terror that Adam’s sin unleashed! You’ll run into this monster lurking near Adam and Eve. How’s this possible? Find out soon!


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#20 Aug 05 2006 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
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If you look closely at the "Day in Paradise" slide, there's like a homeless guy slumped by the tree watching Adam and Eve cavorting in the waterfall. Pretty creepy Paradise, if you ask me.
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For a somewhat interesting and more rational view, The Vatican maintains observatories for scientific research
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[...]There, more than 10,000 feet above the vast Arizona desert, appeared an unlikely sight: one of the most advanced telescopes on Earth, a piece of equipment containing a mirror so fragile that some had joked it would require divine intervention to haul the mirror to the peak of Mt. Graham without damaging it.

Even more unlikely was the small plaque indicating the telescope's primary owner--the Vatican, an institution known for its focus on an ancient religion, not cutting-edge science.

Though few Americans know it, the Vatican has for more than 100 years funded and staffed world-class observatories, first in Italy and, since the early 1980s, in Arizona, where the height of Mt. Graham and the dark desert nights are ideal for telescope use. Assigned to the observatories--technically as the pope's personal astronomers--are men who not only hold advanced astronomy and mathematics degrees but who are Jesuit priests. Their scientific findings are formally presented to church officials in Rome once a year.

"Our work is to be good scientists as well as good Catholics," said Rev. Christopher Corbally, the vice director of the Vatican Observatory Research Group, who was giving a Catholic church group a tour of the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope one morning earlier this summer.

The Vatican, which still fights its image as the institution that tried Galileo during the Inquisition for endorsing the idea that Earth was not the center of the universe, has said the observatory's mission is to serve as a bridge between religion and science.

"Many see the disciplines of science and theology as mutually exclusive," said Rev. Bill Stoeger, one of the Vatican astronomers.
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In fact, the claims of the pope's astronomers have been the sort that may make Christians who advocate a literal interpretation of the Bible squirm. One Vatican astronomer announced several years ago that the star of Bethlehem probably never existed. And virtually all of the pope's astronomers have come to the conclusion that God could not have created the universe in just six days about 10,000 years ago, as some literal interpreters of the Bible believe.

"People often ask me: `Do you believe in the Big Bang or in creation by God?'" Stoeger said, "and my answer is, `Yes.'"


Edited, Aug 7th 2006 at 1:27pm EDT by Jophiel
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#22 Aug 07 2006 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Man, I love Jesuits. I was going to go to a Jesuit school, until I realized I fucking hate Los Angeles and couldn't live there even for 2 years.
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