Poor gays in MOFollow

Yeesh.



Good point. I'm trying to sort out an argument on the fly here (you guys really put me back on my heels; I was definitely not expecting to be on the defensive). Implying that molestation wasn't requisite for my point was a mistake.

In my head I was picturing that the connection for the child would be with the fact that both homosexuality and said molestation would involve sexuality. That's what society would work off of, and what might mess with the kid. I really can't pretend to know what goes on in the mind of someone who's been abused though, so it's tough for me to make a case for that. I think I've heard of feelings of guilt and shame though, and those are emotions that would stack with what society would impress upon the child.

It's a weak argument, I know, but I feel like child development is a sensitive thing, especially in cases of abuse, so I'm apprehensive about going all-in without knowing full well that it'll work out.

Edited, Jul 31st 2006 at 12:54pm EDT by Eske

Edited, Jul 31st 2006 at 1:10pm EDT by Eske

I think I learned about homosexuality at around ten when I found and started reading some of my dad's old porno novels. "The Trembling of a Leaf" I think it was; primarily an incest story.

It's a sad state of affairs when having gay parents mean suffering that kind of abuse.



And I don't think the solution to this is for kids not to have gay parents.

To be honest, i'm still torn between spouting the "People are like flowers and Barney is your friend" view of the world, and the "Guys just wanna skull-fuck women, who in turn just want their cash+sperm (if it's a good evolutionary specimen, ofc)" view.

It depends on each person, really.

But I think you need a bit more hippy-lovin'-flower-lovin'-let's-hug-a-tree-cos-they're-people-too feeling inside your cynical and battle-hardened heart.

Edit: damn you crappy spelling

Edited, Aug 1st 2006 at 11:19am EDT by RedPhoenixxxxxx

In Europe kids understand that people are like flowers, and flowers are delicate, and we don't tease each other, only encourage each other.

And that's how we've produced the Gallagher Brothers.

Seriously though, I agree. And if kids can deal with being called fat/ugly/short/tall/gay/, or because they have a silly name/haircut/tee-shirt, eat their nose-poo, or smell funny, then surely they can deal with being teased by some red-neck inbred cos they have gay parents.

I think you may be on to something when it comes to an insightful observation about me, Red. To date I have yet to ever play a druid on any type of RPG, MMORPG or otherwise.

/looks at Redphoenixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with fresh respect

Very shrewd, my man, very shrewd.

Totem

Barkingbitch,



and this is what ****-apologists say to convince themselves they aren't living a deviant lifestyle shunned by the moral.

Homosexuality is a deviant behaviour that the immoral left is attempting to normalize.

Christians don't hate the sinner; but by the same token we are not to be complicit in sinful behaviour.

Varus

THought I would add my own useless perspective on this, and how we view or conceptualize the concept of gay love in our day to day live.
Some stuff first.
This is how it went for me.
When I was pretty young, I was incarcerated. That's a long, different story.
The point is I was there for a long, long, time. 8 years, I think. My first sexual encounter was with another boy, and it was just like any other encounter you ever read about. The staff at the institute left us pretty much alone in that regard, not biasing us either way, between moralities of the law and moralities of the heart.
Long story short, it was beautiful. I rememeber it often and fondly. Since those years, I have learned a lot about how people associate their own sexuality. For us, there was no religious right or connotation to how we learned about each other, or what we learned from the experience. I personally learned that for me, it wasn't about the body I was with, but the person that piloted it.
In later years, I have come to identify with the gay community more than the bi or straight community because I just seem to understand and relate to dudes better. It's just more comfortable to me...more...honest.
People seem to rely almost completely on the programming that was ramrodded down their throats when where young. Personally, I think the entire concept of defined sexuality is complete hogwash. I have been with women, men, and sometimes both at the same time. Does this make me unclean, or an aberration? I don't think so. I think that as I develop, I seem to lose those parts of me that require the soft grace of a woman's touch, and instead grow more...tractable to a more masculine perpsective. You'd be suprised at how may folks are eager to escape the established gender roles, which, from personal experience, I have come to belive are total *********
Am I stable enough to raise a child, with a mate, and do that child no harm and give them all that I have to offer, to make their life my life, revolve around them utterly?
Not yet, but soon, I think I will be, and I think I would have a lot to offer to a child. All I need is the chance to prove it. I hope and pray that that chance will see itself manifest in my lifetime.
Gay marriages and relationships seem to (in my exeperince) seem to last longer and are more full of open love and true correspondance between two people. I see nothing wrong with two healthy, loving, affectionate men raising a child in a loving, compassionate enviroonment as free as they can make it from the ontanst hate and prejdice America see, to relish dropping on us. Who knows, maybe it's just about fearr after all. The fear of change, the fear of diversity, the fear that it just might turn out to be okay in the end.
But who knows. i'm just one *** with a hear full o hope, and the fond wish that I'll someday get to share it with someone special.
Dear god in heavven, I want kids.

-Nagafen. Stil really drunk, and hoping that what I said comes from the heart, ane reaches someone there.

Nagaen Out.