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#1 Jul 28 2006 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
Syeria snubs Rice and tells her not to come.
Jordan snubs the U.S. and sends in dailey flights of aid to Lebonon dailey, refuses to work with U.N.
Iran....well....is still Iran, heh.

the only people willing to talk to Rice are Israel, and the impotent leadership of lebonon.

Rice goes screaming to the U.N. about creating a multinational force to go into Jordan, U.N. says they dont stop wars, they only inforce the peace. no thanks, call us when the fighting stops.

this is the most impotent addministraition for foreign affairs in the history of this country. just as well, most americans polled feel we should not get directly involved anyway.

not to fear, the new democracy of Iraq will shine like a beacon in the middle east and bring a lasting peace for the entire reagon. well, if they democratically elect a leader that wont openly condemm Israel for defending themselves, and champion terrorist tossing missles into sovern countries.

hahahahaha, the moral majority destroying the world, one country at a time, for you.
#2 Jul 28 2006 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
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#3 Jul 28 2006 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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For fuck's sake the spell check option is offered on 90% of all text based programs. Use it you goddamn moran.
#4 Jul 30 2006 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
As former Middle East envoy Dennis Ross has noted, Hezbollah had respected the Israeli-Lebanese border (save for a contested postage stamp of territory called Shebaa Farms) for the six years since Ehud Barak pulled Israeli troops out of southern Lebanon. Although Hezbollah may have had an interest in carrying out the latest attack as a push-back against internal Lebanese pressure to disarm, it is difficult to imagine that the group would have kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and killed several others without orders from Iran.

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the writer is taking liberty here with certain events.

for 6 years they did respect the border with Israel, but not because they chose to, but because at the time, Syeria was occupying Lebonon to end decades of constant civil war, and constant war with Israel.

when the U.S spearheaded the political pressure to condem Syeria for the occupation of Lebonon, in hopes of sponsering a U.S. friendly democratic government (sound familiar? iraq anyone?), and thus bufering Israel on two of its fronts with democracies friendly to the U.S., and thus Israel, Syeria caved in.

Syeria was in Lebonon to begine with at the request of the League of Arab States to stop the constant violance from the factious warlord / clerics occupying differant parts of the area. as a direct result, we could enter Lebonon and negitiate with them. when we did, all we accomplished was creating (buying) a faction to champion a democracy and try and push Syeria out. prior to Syeria going in, it was a no-mans land for us.

when Syeria left, they effectivly unleashed the dogs of war in Lebonon. the people of Lebonon WANT war with Israel. the border was only respected because Syeria had a leash on their dogs.

Syeria is probably laughing their **** off now at us. we boitched and moaned about Syeria stiffeling the freedoms of the people of Lebonon, so Syeria said, okay, we will leave, but be carefull what you ask for and dont comecrying to me when the sheit (punn intended) hits the fan.

we did this to ourselves. just like the mess we created in Iraq.

here is some intellegance the whitehouse just cant seem to get a grip on. they HATE Israel, and they HATE us. give them freedom and they will try to KILL us and Israel to boot.

this should be blatently aparrent now with in your face examples like Iraq and the mess going on in Lebonon. not that the idiots in the whitehouse will pick up on the obvious however.

Hussin had a handle on Iraq. Syeria had a handle on Lebonon. and the world was a safer place bacause of it. enter the U.S. and a totaly ignorant policy for world domination...........stupid is as stupid does.

there are some places in the world that SHOULD NOT have freedom. there are some palces in the world where TYRANNY is NECESSARY to preserve some sembalance of peace. the solution to the mess in the middleeast must be a MUSLIM solution. anything we or Israel touch will be tainted and hated. we cannot do it. they have already proven they can, even though we dont like the way they are doing it.

this addminitraition created this mess out of ignorance and arrogance. we did this. this blood is on our hands.

can you see the leaders in Syeria laughing their **** off when Rice called and asked to meet? they are probably rolling on the floor and wiping tears from their eyes.

yes, we look that stupid to the rest of the world. welcome to the moral majority.
#5 Jul 30 2006 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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I once again express my wonderment that Shadowrelm can spell "Israel" correctly and not "Syria" nor "Lebanon". Israel being the least intuitive of the three.
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#6 Jul 30 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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That may be why he never gets the hint?
#7 Jul 31 2006 at 4:11 AM Rating: Good
shadowrealm wrote:
for 6 years they did respect the border with Israel, but not because they chose to, but because at the time, Syeria was occupying Lebonon to end decades of constant civil war, and constant war with Israel.


You make it sound like Syria did Lebanon a favour by invading them to stop the bloodshed. They were protecting their own interests, and had been involved in LEbanon militarily since the mid-70s.

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when the U.S spearheaded the political pressure to condem Syeria for the occupation of Lebonon, in hopes of sponsering a U.S. friendly democratic government (sound familiar? iraq anyone?), and thus bufering Israel on two of its fronts with democracies friendly to the U.S., and thus Israel, Syeria caved in.


Syria had no business to be in Lebanon anymore. The Hariri murder was a good exemlpe of the way Syria dealt with political oppopnents. It was a convenient excuse for the US to put pressure on them to leave. But it can hardly be compared with the Iraq situation.

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when Syeria left, they effectivly unleashed the dogs of war in Lebonon. the people of Lebonon WANT war with Israel. the border was only respected because Syeria had a leash on their dogs.


That's completely untrue. The "people of Lebanon", that famously homogeonous group, do not want war with Israel. They have lived through 15 years of civil war, through the occupation from Syria, and have finally become free. The last thing they wanted was another war. I have friends in Beirut, and none of the reasonable-minded Lebanese people want war.


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here is some intellegance the whitehouse just cant seem to get a grip on. they HATE Israel, and they HATE us. give them freedom and they will try to KILL us and Israel to boot.


Who is "they"? It's not the people of Lebanon, who are mostly American-friendly, and war-weary. It might Hizbollah, but Hizbollah is NOT the Lebanese people.

Until the recent kidnapping, there was a big debate going on in Lebanon about the usefulness of Hizbollah now that Israel had withdrawn from its southern territory. Their support was diminishing, and there was growing pressure to incorporate them into the LEbanese army.

The fact they kidnapped those 2 soldiers, knowing that Israel's reaction would be huge, is a good pointer in understanding why they did it, and why now.

Neither the US nor Israel want a cease-fire. They both know a cease-fire will not achieve anything. Hizbollah will still be on Israel's doorstep, except they will have a much bigger public support than before. Nothing to stop them bombing and kidnapping again.

Israel ideally would want to re-occupy a buffer zone in Southern Lebanon, since it is painfully they obvious they cant militarily destroy Hizbollah. And the most likely way to achieve this will be through an international force. It didn't work in the 80s, but it might work today.

Syria might be laughing, but it's relief more than anything. Until now, they were under sever pressure from the international community and from its own population. These events are such a god-sent for them it is hard to believe they have nothing to do with it. The same goes for Iran. The biggest losers in this conflict are, as usual, the people of Lebanon.
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#8 Jul 31 2006 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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yes, i look that stupid to the rest of the posters. welcome to the moral majaurity.

70% how you look
20% how you sound
10% what you actually say

You look and sound like a hyper, dysfunctional six year old, so who cares what you're saying?
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#9 Jul 31 2006 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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You look and sound like a hyper, dysfunctional six year old, so who cares what you're saying?


Sounds like a perfect match! Vote shadowrelm in 2008!
#10 Jul 31 2006 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
In a large way, I think the U.N. needs to get off its ***. In most cases they are usually the last ones to get involved, and when they do act, they don't accomplish much anyway.
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