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If doctors are able to diagnose a serious issue like this before they go off the deep end, why isnt there some kind of mandatory 60 day in home mental evaluation? To check them out, see how stable they are and if they are sticking to the prescribed drug or therapy regime. I just have such a hard time understanding how this woman fell threw the cracks. We cant lock them up on the misguided thought that every person with a disorder like this is going to crack, but how do we protect the people around them just incase?
Well, first off, there's no evidence that Yates is a psychopath. She is psychotic. Delusional. Scooters. Nuts. Out of her mind. Wigged out. It's like the opposite of psychopathic.
Second, she was held for evaluation several times, but the limit in most states is 72 hours unless a couple of psychiatrists can attest that s/he is still a danger to him/herself or others. The days of tossing people in the snake pit and losing the key are pretty well over, I think.
The bottom line is, life is a messy process and the lines are not razor-sharp. We don't always or even often know what the right thing is until it's too late to do it.
Second, she was held for evaluation several times, but the limit in most states is 72 hours unless a couple of psychiatrists can attest that s/he is still a danger to him/herself or others. The days of tossing people in the snake pit and losing the key are pretty well over, I think.
The bottom line is, life is a messy process and the lines are not razor-sharp. We don't always or even often know what the right thing is until it's too late to do it.
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Samira wrote:
Well, first off, there's no evidence that Yates is a psychopath. She is psychotic. Delusional. Scooters. Nuts. Out of her mind. Wigged out. It's like the opposite of psychopathic.
Aye, I think alot of folks are confusing psychopathy with insanity today. Insanity is sort of a catch-all for fUcked-up-in-the-head, while psychopathy is moreso just the absence of conscience, which is great when interviewing for jobs or on first dates.
Edited, Jul 26th 2006 at 6:27pm EDT by Barkingturtle
Correct me if I'm wrong, there is no active watching out for mothers who are suffering from Post-Partum Depression either. After the baby goes home with you, the father and other family members are told what to look out for and who to contact if they think the Baby Blues might be leading to Baby Murder. But there's no social agency, law enforcement agency or other agency to actively seek out mothers with PPD.
I also think that in the Andrea Yates case, the husband Rusty did not take her PPD seriously. He kept wanting more children DESPITE her doctors telling him that having more kids was literally making her crazy.
I also think that in the Andrea Yates case, the husband Rusty did not take her PPD seriously. He kept wanting more children DESPITE her doctors telling him that having more kids was literally making her crazy.
How do you tell which ones suffering from PPD are the ones going to go crazy and harm the kids, from the ones that arn't?
You're asking for a litmus test that will allow doctors to diagnose what a person may or may not do someday.
You never know what they will do until they do it. There's no other way.
It's be great to put every Andrea Yates in a safe place until they are better. But how do you determine who is Andrea Yates and who is a stressed out Soccer Mom suffering from PPD? You can't. Until it's too late.
You're asking for a litmus test that will allow doctors to diagnose what a person may or may not do someday.
You never know what they will do until they do it. There's no other way.
It's be great to put every Andrea Yates in a safe place until they are better. But how do you determine who is Andrea Yates and who is a stressed out Soccer Mom suffering from PPD? You can't. Until it's too late.
Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, there is no active watching out for mothers who are suffering from Post-Partum Depression either. After the baby goes home with you, the father and other family members are told what to look out for and who to contact if they think the Baby Blues might be leading to Baby Murder. But there's no social agency, law enforcement agency or other agency to actively seek out mothers with PPD.
In Canada mothers get a PPD screen at the baby's 2 month check-up. You have to sit down and have an interview with a nurse who evaluates your risk of suffering from PPD. Easy enough to fake, I suppose, but the measures are in place to catch some of the women who might otherwise fall through the cracks and end up doing something awful to themselves or others.
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Tare wrote:
Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, there is no active watching out for mothers who are suffering from Post-Partum Depression either. After the baby goes home with you, the father and other family members are told what to look out for and who to contact if they think the Baby Blues might be leading to Baby Murder. But there's no social agency, law enforcement agency or other agency to actively seek out mothers with PPD.
In Canada mothers get a PPD screen at the baby's 2 month check-up. You have to sit down and have an interview with a nurse who evaluates your risk of suffering from PPD. Easy enough to fake, I suppose, but the measures are in place to catch some of the women who might otherwise fall through the cracks and end up doing something awful to themselves or others.
The only thing I remember when my daughter was born was when a nurse came by 2 weeks later to do a check up on the baby and asked some vague questions about how I was feeling and whatnot.
I know I didn't have PPD. It was more Post-Partum Anger directed at my husband.
The more I think about the Yates case, the lmore pointless I think it is to find a scapegoat. I suppose you could sya it's her fault, and yes, I suppose it is more than anyone else's, but hers is a diseased mind that lacked the ability to prtoect both herself and her children. I suppose you could blame her therapists, but they were following procedure and they were dependant on the family to alert them if there were any problems. You could blame her husband, say he knew her best and he should have listened to her and taken her seriously when she said she didn't want more kids, but he was a layman attached to his faith who didn't understand just how sick his wife was. In the end, it's just a tragedy with a swiss-cheese effect of missed opportunities to halt a terrible outcome.
As someone who suffer from a bad case of PPD, I have to wonder why anyone thought it was safe to let Yates be alone with her children.
I spend months when I wasn't allow to be home by myself. During the day the girls went to childcare, while I was at the county mental health day program. I wasn't allow off the van until my ex drove up into the drive way.
There was some history of depression in my family, but for the most part it was ignored and left untreated. For my girls I am thankful that I saw how I needed to get help to keep them safe. I never got delusional
The only time I thought of killing them was the day I went for help. During the rest of my worst days, the thing I fear the most was my wanting to die. My therapists were honest with me, and let me know that I could send the girls to stay with family or they could call DDS, if it was felt that I may be a danger to my daughters. I sent the girls to their grandparents to live, while their father was out at sea.
Thankfully I was rational through out my illness and had therapists that wouldn't let me hide in corners. After months of therapy the depression lessen and 16 months later, I was completely off medicines and no longer in therapy. When my third daughter was born my ex and the doctors kept careful watch over me and made sure I was able to get enough sleep if needed.
It wasn't until I found myself in chronic pain for 3 months that the depression came back. Going for treatment, I was diagnosed with depression and PTSD due to my years of emotional abuse by my ex. When I finally found out I had Fibromyalgia, I discover that both the virus that set off the pain and stress of my divorce were factors in my becoming ill again.
Nothing is wrong with getting help when needed and suggesting others may need help at times to get through the baby blues.
I spend months when I wasn't allow to be home by myself. During the day the girls went to childcare, while I was at the county mental health day program. I wasn't allow off the van until my ex drove up into the drive way.
There was some history of depression in my family, but for the most part it was ignored and left untreated. For my girls I am thankful that I saw how I needed to get help to keep them safe. I never got delusional
The only time I thought of killing them was the day I went for help. During the rest of my worst days, the thing I fear the most was my wanting to die. My therapists were honest with me, and let me know that I could send the girls to stay with family or they could call DDS, if it was felt that I may be a danger to my daughters. I sent the girls to their grandparents to live, while their father was out at sea.
Thankfully I was rational through out my illness and had therapists that wouldn't let me hide in corners. After months of therapy the depression lessen and 16 months later, I was completely off medicines and no longer in therapy. When my third daughter was born my ex and the doctors kept careful watch over me and made sure I was able to get enough sleep if needed.
It wasn't until I found myself in chronic pain for 3 months that the depression came back. Going for treatment, I was diagnosed with depression and PTSD due to my years of emotional abuse by my ex. When I finally found out I had Fibromyalgia, I discover that both the virus that set off the pain and stress of my divorce were factors in my becoming ill again.
Nothing is wrong with getting help when needed and suggesting others may need help at times to get through the baby blues.
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
I just have such a hard time understanding how this woman fell threw the cracks.
It's probably a misnomer to call them cracks. Yawning chasms, vast voids, or gaping canyons might be more appropriate.
Deathwysh wrote:
It's probably a misnomer to call them cracks. Yawning chasms, vast voids, or gaping canyons might be more appropriate.
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