We all know that one day Russia is going to push that button and go back to the USSR, just like in the Simpsons.
But seriously if you just accepted Chavez, then he would probably go away. As for it being more weaponry than he needs for defence, how much did America spend on the military for this year something trillion?? Good arguement.
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BBBD wrote:
if you just accepted Chavez
I have no immediate problem with ole Hugo. I'm not especially fond of Bush (I'm not comparing the two, just making a point). But it's asinine to pretend that Chavez doesn't go out of his way to milk his "The US is gonna get us!" angle every chance he gets. His whole international platform is based off of being a martyr to the scary Bush regime.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
While it is important that we pull out we can't. We're standing knee deep in a pile of shit. And unless we want to pull the boot off we can't take a step.
We have no choice but to stay in there until the retards running Iraq can get their shit together and run their own damn country then we have to stay. I don't think creating another Taliban-type government.
And lest anyone thinks I'm pro-Bsuh I say hell no! I'm anti-idiot. This moron has lied from top to bottom, stolen not 1 but TWO elections, outted a CIA spy, ruined many, many lives and allowed 3000 people to die because he's a child living in an adult's body.
Getting back to the subject at hand. Chavez is a moran. He thinks (somewhat correctly) that by spouting at how America is the great Satan (where have we heard that before) that he can ally himself with other nations against us. Well his country is an insignificant little place in the middle of nothing. All it has is oil. Which our government loves. And brown people. Which our government hates. So you remove one, you can have the other. Worked in Afghanistan, Worked in Iraq. Even worked in New Orleans. Which has yet to rebuild most of it's infrastructure.
And as far as Russia is concerned, big deal. They lead the world when it comes to manufaturing arms and weapons for countries fighting wars. The entire Middle East, Most of Asia, South America, Cuba all have Russian guns, planes and/or tanks. Despite the fact that Russia is ****-poor and rusting from the inside out.
Belaruz? Heh, one of Russia's ******* children. Big deal.
Now Antartica is one place we don't want to go up against. Yeti. Alien Spacecraft hidden under the snow. Ice fortress'. Scary stuff.
We have no choice but to stay in there until the retards running Iraq can get their shit together and run their own damn country then we have to stay. I don't think creating another Taliban-type government.
And lest anyone thinks I'm pro-Bsuh I say hell no! I'm anti-idiot. This moron has lied from top to bottom, stolen not 1 but TWO elections, outted a CIA spy, ruined many, many lives and allowed 3000 people to die because he's a child living in an adult's body.
Getting back to the subject at hand. Chavez is a moran. He thinks (somewhat correctly) that by spouting at how America is the great Satan (where have we heard that before) that he can ally himself with other nations against us. Well his country is an insignificant little place in the middle of nothing. All it has is oil. Which our government loves. And brown people. Which our government hates. So you remove one, you can have the other. Worked in Afghanistan, Worked in Iraq. Even worked in New Orleans. Which has yet to rebuild most of it's infrastructure.
And as far as Russia is concerned, big deal. They lead the world when it comes to manufaturing arms and weapons for countries fighting wars. The entire Middle East, Most of Asia, South America, Cuba all have Russian guns, planes and/or tanks. Despite the fact that Russia is ****-poor and rusting from the inside out.
Belaruz? Heh, one of Russia's ******* children. Big deal.
Now Antartica is one place we don't want to go up against. Yeti. Alien Spacecraft hidden under the snow. Ice fortress'. Scary stuff.
Chavez wrote:
"The jaws of imperialism and hegemonism have both us and Belarus in their grip."
Hehe. Funny guy, that Hugo Chavez. Unless he meant Russia, in which case he did have a valid point about Belaurs.
As for the troop withdrawal, it's completely crazy. I'm all against the war, but withdrawing now would not only be seen a sign of huge weakness, it would also completely ***** up that country. Even more than it is now. It would mean leaving it in the hands of extremists militias, and is surely the best receipe for anoher hardcore fanatic Islamist governemnt in the region. It is suicidal.
One option, though by no means easy, it to be nice and friendly to the UN again. Make a few concessions, say "Sorry about the mess, we learnt our lesson", and let them take over.
The reasoning is that American troops fuel the flames of the sectarian violence, and are a convenient excuse for all the killings. But at the same time, the Iraqi army is nowehere near ready to take over. They need **** loads more trainnig and money.
So crank up the diplomacy, get the friendly-American-face out there, and let the UN send Muslim peacekeepers to Iraq, and NATO can train the army.
It might sound far-fetched, but I think you can't defeat the insurgents/ terrorists by military power alone. What you have to do is to get the average Iraqi on your side. Without the cooperation of the local population, these guys will run out of places to hide. And this can only really happen when American troops are replaced by "neutral" Muslim UN peace-keepers.
RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:
As for the troop withdrawal, it's completely crazy.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:
As for the troop withdrawal, it's completely crazy.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!Jophiel wrote:
RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:
As for the troop withdrawal, it's completely crazy.
Hehe. I was referring to other posts in that thread that mentionned troop withdrawal, not Chavez's statement, scary as it might be.
chevez is just looking for an enemy to unite his people against so they dont start lloking at the sorry state of affairs of their own country and assinate his stupid *****
he is no threat to this country, saying that, he is more of a threat tothis country than Hussin ever was, read between the lines.
he is no threat to this country, saying that, he is more of a threat tothis country than Hussin ever was, read between the lines.
Quote:
THE BOOK OF DAMN YANKEES
Otherwise Known as the Book of Manifest Destiny
{154 Chapters}
Chapter 154
And so, all of a sudden, it seemed like maybe the Yanks weren't quite as youthful anymore,
2 Or as confident,
3 Or as hopeful,
4 Or as all-powerful as they had thought,
5 Which is usually the first sign that a Chosen Nation isn't quite as Chosen as it used to be,
6 And is maybe getting a little tired,
7 and more than a little confused,
8 And in need of some new ideas about how to live in a world that's a lot more complicated than it looks,
9 Which is how it came to pass that the Brits extended a helping hand,
10 And within months of Kennedy's funeral,
11 Sent a great gift to their friends the Yanks,
12 A gift designed to help educate the Yanks about the world,
13 At long last,
14 So that they would know how to face a future full of pain and suffering and failure,
15 fAnd how to get ready for the inevitable decline that befalls every Chosen Nation sooner or later,
16 gWhich the Brits knew everything there was to know about,
17 hAnd wanted to share with their cousins across the sea,
18 So that a day would eventually come when the Yanks were as bad at everything as the Brits had gotten to be,
19 And maybe they would even forget how to build nuclear weapons properly,
20 So that they wouldn't work,
21 just like everything the Brits made,
22 Which would make the world safer,
23 Unless it wouldn't,
24 But what can you do,
25 Because when the world is coming to an end,
26 It's coming to an end,
27 And it doesn't much matter if it ends the American Way or the Russkie Way or the Brit Way,
28 Because it's all the way of Mankind,
29 And no one has ever thought of any other way,
30 No matter how much they wanted to believe that they were different,
31 Because a pointed stick is a cannon is a nuclear warhead,
32 And a killer ape is a Roman is a Brit is a Kraut is a Yank,
33 And being Chosen is a delusion is a lie is a joke,
34 And so what can you do?
35 Which is why the Yanks accepted the gift of the Brits,
36 A little dubiously,
37 But willing to listen,
38 Because it was getting a lot harder to go on being proud and confident and hopeful about everything,
39 Since nobody else was,
40 And maybe it ws time for the Yanks to pay attention to somebody else's ideas,
41 For a change,
42 And learn how to make it better the Brit way.
43 Yeah yeah yeah.
Otherwise Known as the Book of Manifest Destiny
{154 Chapters}
Chapter 154
And so, all of a sudden, it seemed like maybe the Yanks weren't quite as youthful anymore,
2 Or as confident,
3 Or as hopeful,
4 Or as all-powerful as they had thought,
5 Which is usually the first sign that a Chosen Nation isn't quite as Chosen as it used to be,
6 And is maybe getting a little tired,
7 and more than a little confused,
8 And in need of some new ideas about how to live in a world that's a lot more complicated than it looks,
9 Which is how it came to pass that the Brits extended a helping hand,
10 And within months of Kennedy's funeral,
11 Sent a great gift to their friends the Yanks,
12 A gift designed to help educate the Yanks about the world,
13 At long last,
14 So that they would know how to face a future full of pain and suffering and failure,
15 fAnd how to get ready for the inevitable decline that befalls every Chosen Nation sooner or later,
16 gWhich the Brits knew everything there was to know about,
17 hAnd wanted to share with their cousins across the sea,
18 So that a day would eventually come when the Yanks were as bad at everything as the Brits had gotten to be,
19 And maybe they would even forget how to build nuclear weapons properly,
20 So that they wouldn't work,
21 just like everything the Brits made,
22 Which would make the world safer,
23 Unless it wouldn't,
24 But what can you do,
25 Because when the world is coming to an end,
26 It's coming to an end,
27 And it doesn't much matter if it ends the American Way or the Russkie Way or the Brit Way,
28 Because it's all the way of Mankind,
29 And no one has ever thought of any other way,
30 No matter how much they wanted to believe that they were different,
31 Because a pointed stick is a cannon is a nuclear warhead,
32 And a killer ape is a Roman is a Brit is a Kraut is a Yank,
33 And being Chosen is a delusion is a lie is a joke,
34 And so what can you do?
35 Which is why the Yanks accepted the gift of the Brits,
36 A little dubiously,
37 But willing to listen,
38 Because it was getting a lot harder to go on being proud and confident and hopeful about everything,
39 Since nobody else was,
40 And maybe it ws time for the Yanks to pay attention to somebody else's ideas,
41 For a change,
42 And learn how to make it better the Brit way.
43 Yeah yeah yeah.
Kelv wrote:
stuff
Its getting old.
Boomer Bible wrote:
PSONG 60
I could give up sleeping,
2 But for the alarm of morning,
3 Which wants to surprise us awake,
4 With a brand new ancient lesson.
5 Every morning is everywhere,
6 The center of being undraped and unafraid,
7 On display for its satellites.
8 When I was in Rio, I flung open the broad smiling horizon built upon my balcony,
9 And I squinted the darkness away.
10 Today I roll out under the roof of morning,
11 Trusting a sun I can’t see,
12 Imagining the boastful light above the trusses and timbers and shingles of our conceits,
13 But I do not dare to look at the blush of retreating night,
14 That pink behind we all must show,
15 In impotent flight.
16 Darkness always loses courage in the end,
17 And dawn wins every day.
18 So must I,
19 But more slowly now than then,
20 When I was young.
I could give up sleeping,
2 But for the alarm of morning,
3 Which wants to surprise us awake,
4 With a brand new ancient lesson.
5 Every morning is everywhere,
6 The center of being undraped and unafraid,
7 On display for its satellites.
8 When I was in Rio, I flung open the broad smiling horizon built upon my balcony,
9 And I squinted the darkness away.
10 Today I roll out under the roof of morning,
11 Trusting a sun I can’t see,
12 Imagining the boastful light above the trusses and timbers and shingles of our conceits,
13 But I do not dare to look at the blush of retreating night,
14 That pink behind we all must show,
15 In impotent flight.
16 Darkness always loses courage in the end,
17 And dawn wins every day.
18 So must I,
19 But more slowly now than then,
20 When I was young.
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