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And I still hold by my statement that a friday/saturday smoker can be clean by monday should the number fall his way to be tested. The weekend smoker has no fear of punishment in this case, the lunchtime smoker does. Debalic's info is a bit different from people I've worked with that cleaned up over a 24hr period without trouble every time the company started testing.
That's exactly what I said. Those w/out vehicles have to find a place on campus to smoke. Those with vehicles have a way of getting out of sight.
Nice analogy, except for the fact that it's not the school's dress-code. Its a Federal dress code and it does apply to you in your home. Be glad that you only risk losing your parking pass for a violation.
Do you think that the purpose for the school in this is to punish people having fun on the weekend? Did they send a narc out into students houses to pick up a sack? Nope, they just want it out of school and it's apparently become enough of a problem that testing people with parking passes has become an option for them.
If you don't like it, then tell the morons that come to school stoned to cut it out. They are the reason you're being tested.
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And can you honestly say you believe the kids with cars aren't just going to find a nearby alley to park in instead of toking up in the parking lot?
That's exactly what I said. Those w/out vehicles have to find a place on campus to smoke. Those with vehicles have a way of getting out of sight.
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This is like the school implementing its dress-code when you're kickin' it at the casa.
Nice analogy, except for the fact that it's not the school's dress-code. Its a Federal dress code and it does apply to you in your home. Be glad that you only risk losing your parking pass for a violation.
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Even though the drugs are illegal, as long as they are being used off of school property and after the student is released from the school, why is it the schools problem? The school would no longer be considered the parent in absentia, so why are they able to now police the childs time outside of the schools jurisdiction?
Do you think that the purpose for the school in this is to punish people having fun on the weekend? Did they send a narc out into students houses to pick up a sack? Nope, they just want it out of school and it's apparently become enough of a problem that testing people with parking passes has become an option for them.
If you don't like it, then tell the morons that come to school stoned to cut it out. They are the reason you're being tested.
First off, you seem to think that I attend this school, and therefore it affects me personally. You are wrong on both counts, and I suggest you try cribbage, as you seem to loose at this.
Nice analogy, except for the fact that it's not the school's dress-code. Its a Federal dress code and it does apply to you in your home. Be glad that you only risk losing your parking pass for a violation.
Then let the federal government enforce it. We are just saying that it is not the schools place, since we are talking about things that happen OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL, AWAY FROM SCHOOL PROPERTY, and NOT DURING SCHOOL HOURS. Get it yet? Everyone agrees that people stoned or bringing drugs to school should be dealt with, so stop trying to argue that point.
Do you think that the purpose for the school in this is to punish people having fun on the weekend? Did they send a narc out into students houses to pick up a sack? Nope, they just want it out of school and it's apparently become enough of a problem that testing people with parking passes has become an option for them.
No, the purpose of school, as I said before is to educate children. That is it. Everythign else should be left up to the parents. Again, you seem to think that I want drugs in school, which just shows that you are a perfect posterchild for the American education system.
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This is like the school implementing its dress-code when you're kickin' it at the casa.
Nice analogy, except for the fact that it's not the school's dress-code. Its a Federal dress code and it does apply to you in your home. Be glad that you only risk losing your parking pass for a violation.
Then let the federal government enforce it. We are just saying that it is not the schools place, since we are talking about things that happen OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL, AWAY FROM SCHOOL PROPERTY, and NOT DURING SCHOOL HOURS. Get it yet? Everyone agrees that people stoned or bringing drugs to school should be dealt with, so stop trying to argue that point.
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Even though the drugs are illegal, as long as they are being used off of school property and after the student is released from the school, why is it the schools problem? The school would no longer be considered the parent in absentia, so why are they able to now police the childs time outside of the schools jurisdiction?
Do you think that the purpose for the school in this is to punish people having fun on the weekend? Did they send a narc out into students houses to pick up a sack? Nope, they just want it out of school and it's apparently become enough of a problem that testing people with parking passes has become an option for them.
No, the purpose of school, as I said before is to educate children. That is it. Everythign else should be left up to the parents. Again, you seem to think that I want drugs in school, which just shows that you are a perfect posterchild for the American education system.
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And I still hold by my statement that a friday/saturday smoker can be clean by monday should the number fall his way to be tested. The weekend smoker has no fear of punishment in this case, the lunchtime smoker does.
So long as they invest in chemicals to detox or cover-up something that should be no business of the school's. Gotcha.
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And can you honestly say you believe the kids with cars aren't just going to find a nearby alley to park in instead of toking up in the parking lot?
That's exactly what I said. Those w/out vehicles have to find a place on campus to smoke. Those with vehicles have a way of getting out of sight.
And at the same time gets these little stoned chaps dispersed into the nieghborhood. Good call!
Mossholder wrote:
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This is like the school implementing its dress-code when you're kickin' it at the casa.
Nice analogy, except for the fact that it's not the school's dress-code. Its a Federal dress code and it does apply to you in your home. Be glad that you only risk losing your parking pass for a violation.
Except it's not the federal dress-code which is being enforced, because the feds don't **** test citizens randomly, they wait till you are caught in the act.
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Do you think that the purpose for the school in this is to punish people having fun on the weekend? Did they send a narc out into students houses to pick up a sack? Nope, they just want it out of school and it's apparently become enough of a problem that testing people with parking passes has become an option for them.
Indeed, it's not the purpose of this to punish the weekend toker, but that's who it's punishing anyway! Your failure to recognize this makes it clear that you are a moran.
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If you don't like it, then tell the morons that come to school stoned to cut it out. They are the reason you're being tested.
I'm not being tested. I haven't been high-school age for a decade, but I haven't matured to the point apparently where I no longer value the individual's privacy.
Edited, Jul 21st 2006 at 6:28pm EDT by Barkingturtle
Psichi wrote:
No, the purpose of school, as I said before is to educate children.
Your statement is a correct one, but doesn't apply to what you quoted me as saying. Try reading it again, I'll bold the important part.
Mossholder wrote:
Do you think that the purpose for the school in this is to punish people having fun on the weekend?
The word this can be an important one. It's a good thing that a posterchild for the American educational system is here to help you.
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And at the same time gets these little stoned chaps dispersed into the nieghborhood. Good call!
Been happening for a long long time now in everywhere I've lived. The school in discussion believes that the threat of random drug tests for those with cars will deter this.
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Except it's not the federal dress-code which is being enforced, because the feds don't **** test citizens randomly, they wait till you are caught in the act.
Good point.
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Indeed, it's not the purpose of this to punish the weekend toker, but that's who it's punishing anyway! Your failure to recognize this makes it clear that you are a moran.
It's not that I don't recognize that fact, it's that I accept it as a part of the process.
Many adults work for companies that have random drug testing (once or twice annually), and a much larger number have a test at hiring and when you get injured. Limiting your time being high to occasions where you can get it back out of your system safely is a part of the responsibility of holding your job.
It's a part of life and being a responsible adult, and I don't have any qualms about giving a student the same treatment that they will recieve in the very near future.
Thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun to disagree with you.
Mossholder wrote:
BarkingTurtle wrote:
Indeed, it's not the purpose of this to punish the weekend toker, but that's who it's punishing anyway! Your failure to recognize this makes it clear that you are a moran.
It's not that I don't recognize that fact, it's that I accept it as a part of the process.
Oh, well than I s'pose we have that in common; holding the masses responsible for the failures of a few. I'm in insurance. I'm gleaning that you must be a teacher?
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Thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun to disagree with you.
Agreed, see you next week.
Edited, Jul 21st 2006 at 7:49pm EDT by Barkingturtle
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