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Ryne, I'm not saying that it's the job of teachers to test for drugs.

I'm saying that it's the student's job to learn, and going to school stoned impairs that.

If you are only an "in my own free time" smoker, then you have time to clean the system and are in no danger of failing a drug test.

Well agreed, it's a students job to learn, that's why they're in school. But the fact remains, that it's not the schools job to police what the student does outside of school. The arguement is not whether or not the student is stoned at class and how that should affect his ability to learn. The arguement is whether or not schools should be drug testing students, and reprimanding them based on the results of such tests.

Edited, Jul 21st 2006 at 2:27pm EDT by Ryneguy

You can't clean up for a urine test over the weekend. You can dilute it to a point but it won't help in that timeframe. Goldenseal is useless.

Saliva tests will be clean after as little as 24 hours and proper, thorough oral hygeine.

Yes, but that all depends on % body fat, amount comsumed, ect.



Ya know who is going to profit from this.. The kids that are smart enough to sell their ****.

Edited, Jul 21st 2006 at 2:35pm EDT by PsiChi

Americans are so funny with their all pervasive big-brother policies.

My highscool soccer team used to sit and smoke a big reefer before tournaments. We used to travel by our own means and would carpool our hot boxes. Those were the days.

It's a psychological benefit...doing something you're interested in helps better curb negative attitude. It's not just scholastic extra-curricular activities either. Any hobby...any interest, has a psychological benefit to keep kids and teens better focused. Why do you think those activities are there? No one is even making a comparison to environmental settings for the activity. It's not a matter of the activity keeping the kids off drugs, it's a matter of keeping the kid occupied in a positive way. Negative is drug testing Timmy before every Choir Concert or Chess Meet.



Heh, the American Educational System is not a joke because of kids doing drugs, I can assure you that much.

Is that how long it takes to pump fake **** up through your urethra?

No, but 8 hours is required for consumption & completion of a specific cleansing product that comes to mind. Anyone who goes to such extreme's as pumping fake or replacement **** into their bladder over smokin' a bone needs to re-evaluate their need to smoke that bone.

Personally, having played scholastic sports in my teenage years, I would've rathered a Narc bust me, than subject my entire team (nevermind the entire school) to a negative, demoralizing future indefinately. Sounds harsh, but my actions are my actions and only I should be held accountable for it, not an entire population.

And IMHO, it's one thing to get a Narc and address the issue through means such as parent/teach conferences, so on and so forth, recommending counseling, etc to the student. It's pretty freakin' harsh to just stick a Narc in the crowd and literally arrest 16 students. Kids experiment...it's part of growing up. The majority of people in the world have done something that can be classified as illegal. Kids act out more now (IMO) because everyone's putting such high expectations and hardcore restrictions on what they do (all the while setting a ridiculous "Do as I say, Not as I do" example).

It's called a segue.

And that is exactly the proper attitude imo. Your teammates have no need to worry about anything at all, unless they themselves are engaging in something that currently is illegal to 99.9% of americans. If they are, I hope they feel the same way that you do and can accept the consequences of their actions with a decent amount of grace.

BT, The only reason this is news is because they have stretched to SC ruling to
include parking passes. Sure it would be more effective to just test those that they see being stoned on campus, but that's not an option.

Why parking passes? So far in OR, TN, FL and MT I've met kids that hot box their cars/trucks during lunch. Those w/out vehicles have to find a place on campus, and are much easier to catch. Again, those that don't have nothing to worry about.

Why are you bringing ethics into a discussion on illegal activities? It's a case of students doing something illegal both on an around a public place of learning. It's not your playground, it's a school.

If your ego is so fragile that losing some privelages for something that could get you arrested is more than you can handle, then don't do it.

So we're traversing the land of fantasy now, or shall we stick to methods that actually work?

I think the problem here is the kids themselves. Everyone knows that adolescents and teens are going to ignore and rebuke authority as a matter of course. The best solution is to lock up everyone from 10 to 19 to make sure they never do anything wrong. Middle and high schools should be secure, self-sufficient facilities where these juvenile miscreants are forced to sit soberly in classes and perform menial, life-sustaining labor.

I think this is a fine alternative, as it would lead to graduating females being as repressed and horny as Catholic school-girls are presently but without the whole religion thing.