The same principle can be demonstrated on a smaller scale using a blow dryer and a maxi pad, so long as it has wings. One can also substitute the blower dryer with a conveyor belt found at your local sushi spot, although this is against Japanese custom.
I've got nothin'.
- Forums
- Cross Site
- The Asylum
- So, will it take off?
So, will it take off?Follow
MentalFrog wrote:
Wow so if I take my car to get an emissions test and they put it on the rollers so it can run in place and put into gear I can stick my head out the window and the wind will blow my toupee off? Cool!
Case #1 - On a conveyor that is not moving (a regular runway):
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Plane speed in relation to the air: 10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Car speed in relation to the air: 10 mph
Car speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Case #2 - On a conveyor going the same speed as the vehicle, but in the opposite direction:
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: -10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the air: 10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the conveyor: 20 mph
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: -10 mph
Car speed in relation to the air: 0 mph (no you will not feel the wind here :)
Car speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Case #3 - On a conveyor going twice as fast speed as the vehicle, but in the opposite direction:
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: -20 mph
Plane speed in relation to the air: 10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the conveyor: 30 mph
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: -20 mph
Car speed in relation to the air: -10 mph
Car speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Since the plane is generating speed by pushing against the air, the speed of the plane in relation to the air is constant. The car uses the conveyour to generate speed, so the speed of the car in relation to the conveyour is constant.
MentalFrog wrote:
Wow so if I take my car to get an emissions test and they put it on the rollers so it can run in place and put into gear I can stick my head out the window and the wind will blow my toupee off? Cool!
It's two completely different principles.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
MentalFrog wrote:
Wow so if I take my car to get an emissions test and they put it on the rollers so it can run in place and put into gear I can stick my head out the window and the wind will blow my toupee off? Cool!
It's two completely different principles.
I know that he was being facetious, but I think you missed the point.
In either case, CrescentFresh, you fail at teh physics. Please discontinue to verbally rape natural science, or I will be forced to demonstrate the princle of electron tunneling on your face. With my fist.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
E=MC^2
Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
I think you missed the point.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
In either case, CrescentFresh, you fail at teh physics. Please discontinue to verbally rape natural science, or I will be forced to demonstrate the princle of electron tunneling on your face. With my fist.
Care to explain where I went wrong?
This is all assuming that "the air" is a neutral, non-moving reference frame.
Fixed for accuracy and consistency with the laws of physics.
Professor CrescentFresh wrote:
Case #1 - On a conveyor that is not moving (a regular runway):
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Plane speed in relation to the air: 10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Car speed in relation to the air: 10 mph
Car speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Case #2 - On a conveyor going the same speed as the vehicle, but in the opposite direction:
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: -10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: -10 mph
Car speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Car speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Plane speed in relation to the air: 10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Car speed in relation to the air: 10 mph
Car speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Case #2 - On a conveyor going the same speed as the vehicle, but in the opposite direction:
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: -10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Plane speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Conveyor speed in relation to the air: -10 mph
Car speed in relation to the conveyor: 10 mph
Car speed in relation to the air: 0 mph
Fixed for accuracy and consistency with the laws of physics.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
So, you fixed Car Case #2 to say exactly what I said in the first place. For Plane Case #2, if what you are typed is correct, then I either really don't understand it or I have not clearly communicated my scenario and results. Given that either one of these are entirely possible, my communication on this subject is unlikely to improve, and I'm losing interest in the topic, I'll just call you a cyber-bully and go on.
That's it. There's only one sure-fire way about this:
It's time for the MythBusters.
Only they have the ability to misinterpret the scenario, focus on trivialities and completely botch an experiment to such a degree as to obfuscate the original issue for anyone else.
It's time for the MythBusters.
Only they have the ability to misinterpret the scenario, focus on trivialities and completely botch an experiment to such a degree as to obfuscate the original issue for anyone else.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
I win at teh internets!~
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Debalic wrote:
That's it. There's only one sure-fire way about this:
It's time for the MythBusters.
Only they have the ability to misinterpret the scenario, focus on trivialities and completely botch an experiment to such a degree as to obfuscate the original issue for anyone else.
It's time for the MythBusters.
Only they have the ability to misinterpret the scenario, focus on trivialities and completely botch an experiment to such a degree as to obfuscate the original issue for anyone else.
You say that like it is a bad thing.
And you forgot the addition of explosives for no reason.
Either way, you gotta admit it would make for atleast 10 minutes of funny television.
Edited, Jul 20th 2006 at 2:07pm EDT by PsiChi
Deballic wrote:
It's time for the MythBusters.
Only they have the ability to misinterpret the scenario, focus on trivialities and completely botch an experiment to such a degree as to obfuscate the original issue for anyone else.
Only they have the ability to misinterpret the scenario, focus on trivialities and completely botch an experiment to such a degree as to obfuscate the original issue for anyone else.
Funny but true.
Was watching the one last night where they tried to blow up a car by shooting the gas tank. They then decided to see if you are in a gun fight would using the door as a shield work.
They chose to shoot assault rifles at the car and blow the crap out of it. Ignoring the fact that most hollywood movies show people shooting at each other with pistols when car doors are used as shields. I kind of just shook my head and still wonder, would pistols of made the difference?
they were doing the hollywood theme with the exploding gas tank trick and moved onto the shooting the doors, hence the hollywood reference
Debalic wrote:
completely botch an experiment to such a degree as to obfuscate the original issue
Eschew obfuscation!
Solution to everything: Affix rockets to it.
Oh, and by the way, since I did not leave any marks, Gbaji's Law requires that I be acquitted of the charge of verbally raping natural science.
Yeah, they're amusing enough, especially when they give up on the myth itself and go all-out to blow stuff up. The cement mixer? Fucking nails, man! That was the best.
Last night's orginal episode had them shooting a steam-powered cannon. At the end, when one model finally worked, they found their cannonball about a mile out. "It probably only made it a thousand feet in the air," they claimed, rolling to a rest. Then, Jamie proceeded tp pick up the cannonball - out of what appeared to be a crater, inches deep. That certainly looked like a landing impact.
Last night's orginal episode had them shooting a steam-powered cannon. At the end, when one model finally worked, they found their cannonball about a mile out. "It probably only made it a thousand feet in the air," they claimed, rolling to a rest. Then, Jamie proceeded tp pick up the cannonball - out of what appeared to be a crater, inches deep. That certainly looked like a landing impact.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Oh, and Kari is fucking hot as hell, especially when the show involves getting her wet or shooting a gun. 
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Debalic wrote:
The cement mixer? Fucking nails, man! That was the best.
Damn straight. I keep that one on my Tivo just to watch the last 5 minutes whenever I need a good laugh.
No, it won't for the same reason that aircraft carriers often turn into the wind for operations and why you see an aircraft off a carrier drop below the deck after it leaves the deck.
Don't get it? Figure it out.
Don't get it? Figure it out.
Nizdaar wrote:
No, it won't for the same reason that aircraft carriers often turn into the wind for operations and why you see an aircraft off a carrier drop below the deck after it leaves the deck.
Don't get it? Figure it out.
Don't get it? Figure it out.
If you took the same plane and strapped skiis to it, and coated the treadmill out of a very slippery substance, would it take off? Essentially the ball bearings in the wheels are your "very slippery substance." You just have to have the IQ to actually realize that the wheels have nothing to do with the actual forward motion of the plane. It's a trick question. The plane moves forward just fine, as it normally would relative to the ground and the surrounding air. It's just the wheels are spinning quickly on the treadmill.
It's like saying If I shot you with a bazooka, would the bleeding kill you? It's a totally irrelevant question since the bazooka will blow the sh*t out of you and you would be dead before you had time to bleed.
Edit: Exactly the same applies to a pontoon plane taking off against the current of a stong flowing river. The plane will still take off.
Edited, Jul 20th 2006 at 3:59pm EDT by Elderon
Debalic wrote:
Oh, and Kari is fucking hot as hell, especially when the show involves getting her wet or shooting a gun.
Scotty > Kari
The wheels allow for the forward motion the engines provide the propulsion for. This causes the air to pass over and under the wings giving the lift needed for take off.
If there is no air moving past the wings there is no lift off.
If there is no air moving past the wings there is no lift off.
CaptainOmelette the Meaningless wrote:
The wheels allow for the forward motion the engines provide the propulsion for. This causes the air to pass over and under the wings giving the lift needed for take off.
And?
Quote:
If there is no air moving past the wings there is no lift off.
And?
Are you saying that being on the conveyor belt will cause the plane to have no forward movement, thus have no wind pass over the wings, and thus not be able to lift off?
PsiChi the Meaningless wrote:
CaptainOmelette the Meaningless wrote:
The wheels allow for the forward motion the engines provide the propulsion for. This causes the air to pass over and under the wings giving the lift needed for take off.
And?
Quote:
If there is no air moving past the wings there is no lift off.
And?
Are you saying that being on the conveyor belt will cause the plane to have no forward movement, thus have no wind pass over the wings, and thus not be able to lift off?
I was just replying to Elderons post. I've already stated that I think no foreward movement means no lift and no flight.
Recent Visitors: 251
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (251)
- Forums
- Cross Site
- The Asylum
- So, will it take off?
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC