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Straight from the horses mouth....Bolton Says Lebanese lives ain't worth worrying about!



So now that we know what the official stance is, anyone feel like defendind the idea that some (read Lebanese)peoples lives are somehow worth less than others (read Israeli)?

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that is not what he is stating. he is stating that those who support terrorist deserve their fate.

if you support terrorist you are not better then a terrorist your self and as a resuult you deserve the same fate as a terrorist.

now if the Lebanese would give up the hezbuhla(sp) espeicially those who kidnaped the soldiers then things would be differnt for them.

the biggest differance between Isreal's action vs. the terrorist is the intended target.

isreal targets military, terrorists, and the government.

the terrorists target the civilian population more then 90% of the time.

if isreal targeted the civilians 90% of the time the civ. death would be in the 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands or more. it would be a complete massicar(sp?0 bloody and savage without a doubt.

so yes, i do feel sorry for the deaths of the leb. civs. but i do support isreals actions, but wish they would either declare war or use some restraint on their actions.

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You obviously know nothing of the situation in Southern lebanon.



You think that Israel, with all its incrdibly sophisticated military equipment and intelligence is hitting anything that it doesnt intend to hit? Wise up.



Like I said....





No. you dont feel sorry for the lebanese civilian deaths. Otherwise you wouldnt be supporting Israels actions against them. Israel and Lebanon are still officially 'at war', and have been since 1982, when Israel invaded southern Lebanon.

Why do you hate the Jews?

You obviously know nothing of international law. Lebanon is the sovereign state that "owns" the territory from which Hezbollah is attacking. As such it is responsible for their actions. It is aboslutely proper to require that the government of Lebanon be required to take care of Hezbollah.

The reality is that the government of Lebanon *cannot* do anything about Hezbollah. It doesn't have the strength. That's part of why this is a critical process. First, you have to establish that. You have to give Lebanon the opportunity to fullfill it's international obligations. If/when it is unable to do so, *then* the international community must act to "help" it remove Hezbolla from its midst. We all know this, but have to go through the process.

For the record, the absolute worst case result here is if the UN comes in and simply deploys peacekeepers in order to maintain some sort of cease fire. That will be a disaster. They need to disarm Hezbollah. With or without Lebanon's support (but preferrably "with", which I *hope* is why there's been delay on this).

The second worst result will occur of the UN does not act to disarm Hezbolla. Israel will be forced to do so themselves, and we'll have another round of occupation and fuel Arab hatred towards Isreal even more. On can argue that this is exactly what Hezbollah wants.



You're kidding right? All the sophisticated military equipment in the world does not prevent bombs from blowing up everything near them. It does not prevent an attack on a single window of a building to destroy a rocket launcher placed inside from blasting the rooms right next door. And if civilians happen to be there, there will be casualties.

What kind of dream world do you live in where militaries can magically push a "don't hurt any innocent people" button and have it work? These are not nerf weapons here. They are bombs. They explode. Anyone in the radius of explosion will be hurt and/or killed.



Isreal is specifically targetting three things:

1. Specific rocket installations. These tend to be hidden among populated areas, so it's hard to hit them without hitting people who might be nearby.

2. Specific Hezbolla command and control locations. These are offices, buildings, and homes of the leaders of the organization. See. Militaries like ours do things like build structures to do military planning in (like the Pentagon, and military bases and such). Militant groups like Hezbollah tend to run this stuff out of rented rooms and homes and office buildings, often shared with other people. Makes it hard to hit just them. Which is, of course, the whole reason they choose those locations to operate out of.

3. Supply routes. They know. We know. Everyone knows, that Hezbollah is supported by Iran via Syria. Thus, Isreal has targetted routes by which Hezbollah can be resupplied. Yeah. This sucks for the citizens of Lebanon because they can't get supplies either. But there's nothing militarily "wrong" with doing that. Hitting airports, bridges, and roads are a pretty standard part of miltary attacks. It's the first thing you do, in fact.


Meanwhile, Hezbolla is specifically avoiding targetting military targets, or command/control, and instead aiming their rockets at civilian centers.



Yeah. Who? I'd say it's Hezbollah. Any sane person would. Why don't you?



Um. No. The only reason they're still officially "at war" is because Lebanon has not complied with the final terms in the agreement. That was to disarm Hezbollah. Isreal has officially met every term set by the UN sponsored peace agreement.

Way to totally twist things around though.

gab, thank you. i tried to post just about exactly what you posted but the servers did not like me last night and by the time they did i was at work and did not have the time for a long reply to correct his mistakes.

one more thing i will add:

the military of isreal has about as much sophisitacted weapons, accuracy, as the US military had in the 50s and 60s. that is it. dumb bombs, semi guided missles, NOTHING to compair with any modern military even that of the GWI, let alone of todays GPS guided munitions.

so yes when you blow up a power plant, or a bridge, or a command structur of the hezbuhlla, some civilians will get hurt or worst killed. it is a shame, but at least they are not carpet bombing like WWI, or Vietnam error attacks. there have been NO HIGH level bombing raids. there have been selected target destructions with the best ability they have to minimize civlian deaths.

sad part is Leb. is 100% responsible and thus the people of Leb. are also 100% responsible for this action being taken against them. i do feel sorry for the average citizen, but i also have limited simpathy for a group who supports and sponcers terrorists and chooses them as leaders.

as for the "still at war" that is bunk, and you sir/ma am have no understanding of history. that "war" was ended according to international law years ago. Sadly Leb. has not upheld their end of the end of war agreement by disarming and removing from all power that terrorist organization called Hezbollah.

so please learn your history, learn some basic concept of civility and the understanding of governement in the world scheme of the world and the responsibilities of a government to its people and its world neighbors.

Funny, I always thought Israel had one of the more advanced weapons programs...Jews are smart little pricks, indeed.

Make **** up it is then!

If you wanted to make the argument that they weren't using computer guided missles for the attack thats fine. However to say that they are using archaic 60's stuff is imprecise. Especially when the f15 and f-16 are both in active service by the US Airforce, as well have seen a number of technological upgrades since their initial release.

If you end up making a faulty statement because your grasp of the language and rhetorics is far from perfect then perhaps you best swallow it and admit where you were wrong and re-clarify your position.





Edited, Jul 19th 2006 at 2:00pm EDT by bodhisattva

A Plague on bot their houses.

Constant & mindless provocation from both sides for 4,000 years means we'll need lots of popcorn for this one.

Just confident that the medium term outlook is more kamikazes in Europe and USA

The lack of condemnation from Bush and Bliar for the targeting of civilians makes us ever likelier targets.

And just on time for the five year anniversary of 09/11!

If you get the popcorn I'll spring for the Raisinettes, but who's bringing the thermate?

In!

But the real question is....what kind of soup do you want in it? I'm a clam chowder with tabasco kind of guy.

Not Kosher or Halal. Baaad Anti-semite!