Lefein wrote:
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
Lefein wrote:
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Edited, Jul 14th 2006 at 9:51pm EDT by Kelvyquayo
Meh, something bigger and better will take over long after we are dust in the wind...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/02/red.rain/index.html
Kelvyquayo wrote:
Lefein wrote:
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LoL
"war is never a good thing." --Singdall
An interesting and utterly stupid take.
Totem
An interesting and utterly stupid take.
Totem
war should always be a last resort. the act of war is bad, let me put it that way to clear things up for you.
They'll all die when we switch to Hydrogen powered cars anyways..
And the lowest common denominator needs to be killed off or else we'll never be able to replace them with a cybernetic workforce. Well, at least without a crippling government welfare program...
And the lowest common denominator needs to be killed off or else we'll never be able to replace them with a cybernetic workforce. Well, at least without a crippling government welfare program...
you mean like the one Clinton tried to get passed, or the junk gov. we have in place today.
Singdall wrote:
war should always be a last resort. the act of war is bad, let me put it that way to clear things up for you.
You and Neville Chamberlain have something in common then! :)
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Can a terrorist organization actually be powerful enough to fight a real "Open War" with Israel?
Im a bit confused....perhaps someone could clarify something for me.
Hezbollah 'captured' active duty soldiers, on the disputed border between 2 countries still 'at war'. In the process a army vehicle was destroyed, and 8 uniformed soldiers where killed.
How did Israel respond? They bombed civilian targets and civilian infrastructure and have killed many civilians.
Let's see if I have this right. The Arab 'terorists' attack militery units, destroy at least one tank, and are therefore terrorists. Israel retaliates by launching aerial, naval, and artillery bombardments of civilian areas and they are engaging in self-defense. If we ar'nt able to see the hypocrisy of this, then we are so twisted by propaganda and emotion that, like the Israelis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, we arn't thinking rationally.
Israel is not attacking the individuals who hit their soldiers. Israel is engaged in mass punishment against a people who are innocent bystanders. Supported and supplied by the USA. Again.
So.....who are the terrorists again????
I await enlightenment....
Edited, Jul 17th 2006 at 11:42pm EDT by paulsol
Hezbollah 'captured' active duty soldiers, on the disputed border between 2 countries still 'at war'. In the process a army vehicle was destroyed, and 8 uniformed soldiers where killed.
How did Israel respond? They bombed civilian targets and civilian infrastructure and have killed many civilians.
Let's see if I have this right. The Arab 'terorists' attack militery units, destroy at least one tank, and are therefore terrorists. Israel retaliates by launching aerial, naval, and artillery bombardments of civilian areas and they are engaging in self-defense. If we ar'nt able to see the hypocrisy of this, then we are so twisted by propaganda and emotion that, like the Israelis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, we arn't thinking rationally.
Israel is not attacking the individuals who hit their soldiers. Israel is engaged in mass punishment against a people who are innocent bystanders. Supported and supplied by the USA. Again.
So.....who are the terrorists again????
I await enlightenment....
Edited, Jul 17th 2006 at 11:42pm EDT by paulsol
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
well, they did drop leaflets over Lebannon telling people to watch out....
Not sure, but maybe all those rockets aimed at Israeli cities got 'em (the Israelis) off their game...but then all those residents are really soldiers cause they have that required military service thing (or used to) you know, so damn Hezbolla is in the right.
Jawbox wrote:
You're not very smart are you?
Quote:
Why do you hate Jews?
You're not very smart are you?
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
paulsol wrote:
Jawbox wrote:
You're not very smart are you?
Quote:
Why do you hate Jews?
You're not very smart are you?
/whoooooooosh
paulsol wrote:
Im a bit confused....perhaps someone could clarify something for me.
Hezbollah 'captured' active duty soldiers, on the disputed border between 2 countries still 'at war'. In the process a army vehicle was destroyed, and 8 uniformed soldiers where killed.
How did Israel respond? They bombed civilian targets and civilian infrastructure and have killed many civilians.
Let's see if I have this right. The Arab 'terorists' attack militery units, destroy at least one tank, and are therefore terrorists. Israel retaliates by launching aerial, naval, and artillery bombardments of civilian areas and they are engaging in self-defense. If we ar'nt able to see the hypocrisy of this, then we are so twisted by propaganda and emotion that, like the Israelis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, we arn't thinking rationally.
Israel is not attacking the individuals who hit their soldiers. Israel is engaged in mass punishment against a people who are innocent bystanders. Supported and supplied by the USA. Again.
So.....who are the terrorists again????
I await enlightenment....
Hezbollah 'captured' active duty soldiers, on the disputed border between 2 countries still 'at war'. In the process a army vehicle was destroyed, and 8 uniformed soldiers where killed.
How did Israel respond? They bombed civilian targets and civilian infrastructure and have killed many civilians.
Let's see if I have this right. The Arab 'terorists' attack militery units, destroy at least one tank, and are therefore terrorists. Israel retaliates by launching aerial, naval, and artillery bombardments of civilian areas and they are engaging in self-defense. If we ar'nt able to see the hypocrisy of this, then we are so twisted by propaganda and emotion that, like the Israelis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, we arn't thinking rationally.
Israel is not attacking the individuals who hit their soldiers. Israel is engaged in mass punishment against a people who are innocent bystanders. Supported and supplied by the USA. Again.
So.....who are the terrorists again????
I await enlightenment....
Wow. Amazingly wrong assessment. First off, there's a bit of semantic rhetoric going on here. Hezbolla is not officially a "government" military (it's a civilian militia), so any Hezbolla targets hit are technically "civilians", making it an incredibly skewed statement to say that Israel "bombed civilian targets".
Hezbolla started the conflict. It invaded a sovereign, UN recognized state. Check.
Hezbolla is a military organization. Therefore, civilian or not, it counts as a "party to the conflict" under Geneva Convention rules. Check.
Hezbolla is specifically positioning itself among unarmed civilians in Lebanon, concealing its weapons in apartment buildings and such. That's a violation of GC rules of war. Check.
Hezbolla is using those weapon positions (the ones in civilian occupied appartment buildings) to fire long range attacks at Israel. This legally allows Israel to respond militarily according to every rule of law (and technically *should* require every UN nation to support Isreal as part of the prime rules of UN charter, but mysteriously that isn't happening...). Check.
Isreal is attempting to target just the Hezbolla targets, but *can't* because of the points above. By GC rules, Hezbolla is accountable for innocent civilians killed as a result. Check.
Isreal, on the other hand, has moved its military away from civilian areas (as required by the GC). It's lined up nicely on the Lebanese border. It's operating under the rules of war as best it can. Check.
Hezbolla, despite having a big military target directly in front of it, is proceeding to fire rockets and missiles right over the Isreali military's heads in order to hit 100% civilian targets further in the country. Check.
What's staggering to me is how many people point to the civilian casualities resulting from Israel's attacks, but fail to realize that those casualties are occuring specifically because the military force that is attacking them is hiding in those civilian areas and using those civilians as human shields. Furthermore, they seem to ignore the fact that civilians killed by Isreal (the one's that aren't members of Hezbolla of course!) are accidents. They aren't deliberately targetting them. Meanwhile Hezbolla is deliberately and specifically targeting civilians in Isreal.
So yeah. One's a terrorist organization and is violating every tenant of the UN and the Geneva Conventions on War. The other is responding as best it can despite a suspicious and massive lack of support and assistance by the international community. Why on earth are people picking the side of the guys who started the conflict and are acting in a manner designed specifically to maximize innocent civilian casualities? What kind of bizarro logic allows you to take that position?
Isreal is 100% in the right here. What boggles my mind is that the UN didn't mobilize an international force on day one, send it onto south Lebanon, and disarm every single person there (as required by an existing UN resolution requiring the disarming of Hezbolla), and hold every Hezbolla leader on trial for war crimes? That's what we *should* be doing. Why we aren't is a testiment to just how warped out political process has gotten, and just how firmly those terrorist groups seem to hold the rest of the world in fear...
The correct response to an action like this should be swift and final. Period. The UN should simply not tolerate a military attack on a member state. Period. The only point of debate is the degree to which the Lebanese government may be responsible for the attacks. That some are actually trying to blame Isreal for being attacked after complying with every term of the pull out from Lebanaon by the guys who have yet to comply with *any* is just staggering.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
EXCELLENT POST GBAJI
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gbaji wrote:
First off, there's a bit of semantic rhetoric going on here.
You must feel right at home then.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
paulsol wrote:
Im a bit confused....perhaps someone could clarify something for me.
Hezbollah 'captured' active duty soldiers, on the disputed border between 2 countries still 'at war'. In the process a army vehicle was destroyed, and 8 uniformed soldiers where killed.
How did Israel respond? They bombed civilian targets and civilian infrastructure and have killed many civilians.
Let's see if I have this right. The Arab 'terorists' attack militery units, destroy at least one tank, and are therefore terrorists. Israel retaliates by launching aerial, naval, and artillery bombardments of civilian areas and they are engaging in self-defense. If we ar'nt able to see the hypocrisy of this, then we are so twisted by propaganda and emotion that, like the Israelis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, we arn't thinking rationally.
Israel is not attacking the individuals who hit their soldiers. Israel is engaged in mass punishment against a people who are innocent bystanders. Supported and supplied by the USA. Again.
So.....who are the terrorists again????
I await enlightenment....
Edited, Jul 17th 2006 at 11:42pm EDT by paulsol
Hezbollah 'captured' active duty soldiers, on the disputed border between 2 countries still 'at war'. In the process a army vehicle was destroyed, and 8 uniformed soldiers where killed.
How did Israel respond? They bombed civilian targets and civilian infrastructure and have killed many civilians.
Let's see if I have this right. The Arab 'terorists' attack militery units, destroy at least one tank, and are therefore terrorists. Israel retaliates by launching aerial, naval, and artillery bombardments of civilian areas and they are engaging in self-defense. If we ar'nt able to see the hypocrisy of this, then we are so twisted by propaganda and emotion that, like the Israelis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, we arn't thinking rationally.
Israel is not attacking the individuals who hit their soldiers. Israel is engaged in mass punishment against a people who are innocent bystanders. Supported and supplied by the USA. Again.
So.....who are the terrorists again????
I await enlightenment....
Edited, Jul 17th 2006 at 11:42pm EDT by paulsol
I hate you.
You owe me 30 seconds of my life back you sonofabitch!
Youshutup wrote:
So Israel is justfied in attacking civilians because their opponents will not give
Israel the opportunity to attack them as a seperate entity?
Why?
Nothing has been done to hinder the organisation they're up against.
Innocents are killed, the half dozen people left who didn't already hate Israel now do.. what exactly has been accomplished?
Strip away the context and "eye for an eye" mentality, forget all the bloodlust.. what's been accomplished?
"We can give as good as we get"?
You think that's going to help stop the conflict? You think it's going to ensure Israel's long term security?
Because it seems to me like they're all pretty much resigned to it and have no intention of stopping, and golly, those nice Americans did just drop off all those pretty bunker busters..
Israel the opportunity to attack them as a seperate entity?
Why?
Nothing has been done to hinder the organisation they're up against.
Innocents are killed, the half dozen people left who didn't already hate Israel now do.. what exactly has been accomplished?
Strip away the context and "eye for an eye" mentality, forget all the bloodlust.. what's been accomplished?
"We can give as good as we get"?
You think that's going to help stop the conflict? You think it's going to ensure Israel's long term security?
Because it seems to me like they're all pretty much resigned to it and have no intention of stopping, and golly, those nice Americans did just drop off all those pretty bunker busters..
Why? Are you 100% certain that if Israel stops attacking, Hezbollah will stop attacking too?
MentalFrog wrote:
So the loss of life is worth the price of a cheesy video game. What are you 14?
Youshutup wrote:
So Israel is justfied in attacking civilians because their opponents will not give
Israel the opportunity to attack them as a seperate entity?
Why?
Israel the opportunity to attack them as a seperate entity?
Why?
First off. Isreal is not "attacking civilians". They're attacking Hezbollah. But innocent bystanders are getting killed because Hezbollah has chosen to operate from within crowds of civilians instead of removing themselves as they are supposed to.
What is the alternative? Isreal should just allow its citizens to be targetted and killed by rocket attacks and kinda toss its hands up, shrug and do nothing because the people firing the rockets aren't hanging out in places that are easy to attack? That's absurd. If you allow groups like Hezbollah to succeed by using the tactics they are using, it will only give them a reason to continue doing it. The correct response is to absolutely destroy them for doing so. They should be held responsible for *all* civilian casualties. They should be tried for war crimes for those casualties. Because, at the end of the day, those casualties occured specifically as a result of their decision to conduct military action against a legitmate government and their people while hiding among civilians.
You don't get it both ways. You can't act as a civilian *and* a military. The second you start firing rockets across international borders, you *are* a military, and are required to act responsibly as one (and in accordance with GC rules). Hezbollah is not doing so. Thus, they are responsible for the casualties that result from their actions. What part of that is hard to understand?
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Nothing has been done to hinder the organisation they're up against.
You're kidding right? Isreal is pounding Hezbollah. How exactly do you define "hindering"? Hezbollah put itself out on a limb here. In the past it could always kinda fall back on the idea that it was fighting for freedom or something. But here is a clear cut case of them being absolutely in the wrong. No excuse for its behavior.
What's mind boggling is that in a case that's so clear cut, some people are *still* trying to come up with excuses for the behavior of groups like Hezbollah. What we should be doing is seeing them for what they are and taking the opportunity to disarm and destroy them, rather then seeing if we can find a way to keep them around for some bizarre reason.
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Innocents are killed, the half dozen people left who didn't already hate Israel now do.. what exactly has been accomplished?
What part of "Hezbolla attacked Israel for absolutely no reason at all" do you not get? Which should we believe here? That Hezbollah is just a misunderstood organization fighting to defend the Lebanese people from Isreali oppression? Or that the decades of them saying "Our goal is to destroy Isreal and wipe it from the map" is actually true and they exist for no purpose other then to do that?
Gee. Hezbollah tells you that is their goal. They've now acted, with zero provocation, to attack Isreal. And *still* you're trying to find an angle to excuse them? Wow. This just takes the cake. Can we at any point realize that in this world there are some people who are just plain "bad"? And that these people, if given the chance, will kill other people simply because they can? And maybe, as responsible citizens of the world, it should be our duty to prevent such things? And guess what? Sometimes that means taking military action to defeat the forces of the "bad guys". That's what's happening here. Again. I'm frankly stunned that some people still try to defend Hezbollah on this.
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Strip away the context and "eye for an eye" mentality, forget all the bloodlust.. what's been accomplished?
Well. If people like you have their way, nothing. We'll stop short of disarming Hezbollah and insist that Isreal "play nice with their neighbors". And 10 years from now, Hezbollah will strike again, only this time they'll have a nuke, or chemical weapons in their ********
Or... We could actually take action to destroy Hezbollah. We could recognize them as the enemy to civilization that they are and fight them. We could actually enforce the UN resolution requiring the disarming of Hezbollah. And then we will have accomplished something. We'll have removed a major destabilizing force in the region.
What definition of accomplishment do you use?
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"We can give as good as we get"?
You think that's going to help stop the conflict? You think it's going to ensure Israel's long term security?
Because it seems to me like they're all pretty much resigned to it and have no intention of stopping, and golly, those nice Americans did just drop off all those pretty bunker busters..
You think that's going to help stop the conflict? You think it's going to ensure Israel's long term security?
Because it seems to me like they're all pretty much resigned to it and have no intention of stopping, and golly, those nice Americans did just drop off all those pretty bunker busters..
Of course they have no intention of stopping? Why on earth should they? Your argument is like saying that attacking Germany in WW2 is pointless and wont accomplish anything, and pointing at casualties on both sides and snidely observing that the US forces show no sign of stopping (with the implication that they should).
When will the world remember that while conflict should be avoided, once joined, it's best to actually win rather then simply seek to reduce the loss of life. This is a shooting war. Instead of lamenting that fact and trying to get the Isrealis to stop shooting, maybe you should be picking a damn side and working towards getting that side to win? There'll be less loss of life over time if we actually defeat Hezbollah *now* rather then just finding a way to stop the shooting. Because there's zero reason to believe that they wont just resume attacks once they re-arm themselves down the line.
Wow. Just wow...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji.
Christ on a bike, you got selective memory or what?? You are makin **** up!
For the hard o thinking, heres a simplified timeline for you.....
1982. After an assasination attempt by Abu Nidal (remember?) on an Israeli ambassoador in london, menachim Begin ordered the invasion of Lebanon, ostensibly to crush the PLO who at that time were operating from Lebanon. Not that the PLO had anything to do with Abu Nidal you understand..
the red crescent estimated 14,000 deaths in the first month. The Palestinians fought back. the IDF responded with indiscriminate bombing, killing hundreds of civilians. The IDF bombed the buildings housing the local bureaus of the Los Angeles Times, United Press International, and Newsweek. They also cut off Beirut’s water and electricity supply and imposed a blockade.
Hezbollah was formed to resist the invasion by the IDF. It wasnt set up to 'wipe Israel off the map'. It was set up to 'repel the invaders'.
The UN brokered a peace deal by which the United States and other multinational troops went to Beirut to uphold a ceasefire to allow the PLO to be transported them to Tunisia, who had offered to give them safe haven.
The U.S. government signed an agreement with Arafat, pledging that U.S. forces would safeguard civilians who stayed behind:
Shortly after the U.S. troops withdrew, Lebanese president-elect Bashir Gemayel was assassinated.
The IDF invaded Muslim West Beirut.
The Israeli army encircled Palestinian refugee camps in the area and prohibited anyone from entering or leaving without its permission.
Ariel Sharon (defence Minister at the time) invited Lebanese Phalangist militia units trained and equipped by Israel to enter the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps and over the next 48 hours, more than seven hundred Palestinian women, children, and men were executed; many corpses were mutilated.
The slaughter provoked outrage around the world, and also within Israel itself.
The Americans returned to beirut a couple of days later. Reagan called for Israeli withdrawal from Beirut and said "Israel must have learned that there is no way it can impose its own solutions on hatreds as deep and bitter as those that produced this tragedy."
April 18, 1983 a delivery van pulled up to the front door of the U.S. embassy in Beirut and detonated, collapsing the building and killing 46 people (including 16 Americans) and wounding over a hundred others.
Fighting between Christians and Muslims in Lebanon escalated, the U.S. peacekeeping mission became a farce. The U.S. forces were training and equipping the Lebanese army, which was seen in Lebanon as a pro-Christian, anti-Muslim force.
October 23, 1983, A muslim suicide bomber blew a truck up outside us marine HQ in Beirut.The explosion left a 30-foot-deep crater and killed 243 marines. A second truck bomb moments later killed 58 French soldiers.
US left.
Israel’s invasion of Lebanon turned into an 18-year quagmire that cost the lives of more than 1,500 Israeli soldiers. Israel maintained control over a swath of land in South Lebanon to protect itself from terrorist attacks by Hezbollah and others.
In 1993 and 1996 Israel launched massive shelling campaigns on Lebanese villages. Yitzhak Rabin said of the attack: "We want to cause a wave of flight and damage to everyone involved in Hezbollah activity."
On April 18, 1996 the IDF artillery shelled a United Nations compound near Qana that was overflowing with 800 Lebanese civilians "who had fled from their villages on IDF orders." The barrage killed 102 refugees and wounded hundreds of others.
Since then its been a low level (whatever that means) conflict consisting of cross border skirmishes, hostage taking (on both sides) and random exchanges of fire, and prisoners.
Thats where we came in this time. Hezbollah nipped over the border to 'capture' some IDF soldiers to use to swap for some of their own men. Israel, in response has attacked, with all resources availiable to them, short of nuclear bombs, the whole of Lebanon, killing hundreds of civilians, and generally stuffing up the infrastructure.
It is the Israelis who started this particular ****-fight. Im not saying that Hezbollah are innocent. Of course their not. But they were formed in response to the ground invasion of Lebanon by the IDF.
Im not even saying that Israel is wrong to be wanting to rid their region of Hezbollah. But what they are doing at the moment has nothing to do with targetting Hezbollah, and everything to do with an idiotic, ill conceived mission to 'exact revenge' on the 'people' of Lebanon for allowing the Hezbollah to operate from their country.
Judging from their past experiences, it would seem obvious that this tactic has little merit. In fact considering the other conflicts in the region, it will only stir up even more hatred of the Israeli people. (something i truly don't want to see. I still have good friends in Israel, both jews and palestinian). Surely not a good thing.
Your last paragraph gbaji is so utterly sad. You sound like a wannabe John Wayne, surrounded by indians, trying to pep up the last survivors of the wagon train to make a last stand before the cavalry arrive. Maybe thats what it is to you, a movie, or a game. Trouble is, dude, these dead folk don't get up again when the cameras stop rolling.
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What part of "Hezbolla attacked Israel for absolutely no reason at all" do you not get? Which should we believe here? That Hezbollah is just a misunderstood organization fighting to defend the Lebanese people from Isreali oppression? Or that the decades of them saying "Our goal is to destroy Isreal and wipe it from the map" is actually true and they exist for no purpose other then to do that?
Gee. Hezbollah tells you that is their goal. They've now acted, with zero provocation, to attack Isreal.
Gee. Hezbollah tells you that is their goal. They've now acted, with zero provocation, to attack Isreal.
Christ on a bike, you got selective memory or what?? You are makin **** up!
For the hard o thinking, heres a simplified timeline for you.....
1982. After an assasination attempt by Abu Nidal (remember?) on an Israeli ambassoador in london, menachim Begin ordered the invasion of Lebanon, ostensibly to crush the PLO who at that time were operating from Lebanon. Not that the PLO had anything to do with Abu Nidal you understand..
the red crescent estimated 14,000 deaths in the first month. The Palestinians fought back. the IDF responded with indiscriminate bombing, killing hundreds of civilians. The IDF bombed the buildings housing the local bureaus of the Los Angeles Times, United Press International, and Newsweek. They also cut off Beirut’s water and electricity supply and imposed a blockade.
Hezbollah was formed to resist the invasion by the IDF. It wasnt set up to 'wipe Israel off the map'. It was set up to 'repel the invaders'.
The UN brokered a peace deal by which the United States and other multinational troops went to Beirut to uphold a ceasefire to allow the PLO to be transported them to Tunisia, who had offered to give them safe haven.
The U.S. government signed an agreement with Arafat, pledging that U.S. forces would safeguard civilians who stayed behind:
Shortly after the U.S. troops withdrew, Lebanese president-elect Bashir Gemayel was assassinated.
The IDF invaded Muslim West Beirut.
The Israeli army encircled Palestinian refugee camps in the area and prohibited anyone from entering or leaving without its permission.
Ariel Sharon (defence Minister at the time) invited Lebanese Phalangist militia units trained and equipped by Israel to enter the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps and over the next 48 hours, more than seven hundred Palestinian women, children, and men were executed; many corpses were mutilated.
The slaughter provoked outrage around the world, and also within Israel itself.
The Americans returned to beirut a couple of days later. Reagan called for Israeli withdrawal from Beirut and said "Israel must have learned that there is no way it can impose its own solutions on hatreds as deep and bitter as those that produced this tragedy."
April 18, 1983 a delivery van pulled up to the front door of the U.S. embassy in Beirut and detonated, collapsing the building and killing 46 people (including 16 Americans) and wounding over a hundred others.
Fighting between Christians and Muslims in Lebanon escalated, the U.S. peacekeeping mission became a farce. The U.S. forces were training and equipping the Lebanese army, which was seen in Lebanon as a pro-Christian, anti-Muslim force.
October 23, 1983, A muslim suicide bomber blew a truck up outside us marine HQ in Beirut.The explosion left a 30-foot-deep crater and killed 243 marines. A second truck bomb moments later killed 58 French soldiers.
US left.
Israel’s invasion of Lebanon turned into an 18-year quagmire that cost the lives of more than 1,500 Israeli soldiers. Israel maintained control over a swath of land in South Lebanon to protect itself from terrorist attacks by Hezbollah and others.
In 1993 and 1996 Israel launched massive shelling campaigns on Lebanese villages. Yitzhak Rabin said of the attack: "We want to cause a wave of flight and damage to everyone involved in Hezbollah activity."
On April 18, 1996 the IDF artillery shelled a United Nations compound near Qana that was overflowing with 800 Lebanese civilians "who had fled from their villages on IDF orders." The barrage killed 102 refugees and wounded hundreds of others.
Since then its been a low level (whatever that means) conflict consisting of cross border skirmishes, hostage taking (on both sides) and random exchanges of fire, and prisoners.
Thats where we came in this time. Hezbollah nipped over the border to 'capture' some IDF soldiers to use to swap for some of their own men. Israel, in response has attacked, with all resources availiable to them, short of nuclear bombs, the whole of Lebanon, killing hundreds of civilians, and generally stuffing up the infrastructure.
It is the Israelis who started this particular ****-fight. Im not saying that Hezbollah are innocent. Of course their not. But they were formed in response to the ground invasion of Lebanon by the IDF.
Im not even saying that Israel is wrong to be wanting to rid their region of Hezbollah. But what they are doing at the moment has nothing to do with targetting Hezbollah, and everything to do with an idiotic, ill conceived mission to 'exact revenge' on the 'people' of Lebanon for allowing the Hezbollah to operate from their country.
Judging from their past experiences, it would seem obvious that this tactic has little merit. In fact considering the other conflicts in the region, it will only stir up even more hatred of the Israeli people. (something i truly don't want to see. I still have good friends in Israel, both jews and palestinian). Surely not a good thing.
Your last paragraph gbaji is so utterly sad. You sound like a wannabe John Wayne, surrounded by indians, trying to pep up the last survivors of the wagon train to make a last stand before the cavalry arrive. Maybe thats what it is to you, a movie, or a game. Trouble is, dude, these dead folk don't get up again when the cameras stop rolling.
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