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#1 Jul 13 2006 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Or just another scuffle?

CNN wrote:
Israel attacks airports, major highway after Hezbollah lobs rockets

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- As the Israeli-Lebanese violence that has killed dozens of Lebanese civilians and 10 Israelis entered its third day, Israeli warplanes launched an assault on the main highway between Beirut and the Syrian capital of Damascus.

Hezbollah guerillas on Thursday lobbed dozens of Soviet-era Katyusha rockets into northern Israel. Rockets also landed in the northern port city of Haifa, which would mark the deepest point into Israel that Hezbollah rockets have ever reached, but Hezbollah denied that they fired the rockets.

An Israeli diplomat called the rocket attacks "a major escalation" in the violence.

I know these guys like to play punch-for-punch but this may be getting out of hand. It's a good thing we have such a large force already in the area, no?
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#2 Jul 13 2006 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
From where I'm sitting, it seems to have begun. Most bridges, all airports (I thought we only had 1, it turns out there were 3), a power station (maybe more) many homes, all major highways in Lebanon are currently being bombarded (I hear bombs dropping as I type). There is a naval and aerial blockade going on as well.

I was kinda happy to have forgotten what being on the receiving end of a bombardment was like... Too bad.

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lol, I wish. You can call it punch for punch when it's proportional.
#3 Jul 13 2006 at 9:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Whatever, it always seems to me like a slap-fight.

My highschool buddy happened to be visiting Israel this week. He messaged me from the airport as he waited for his plane. Apparently he was on a hill in Haifa, taking pics of the Lebanese scenery, that got bombed two days later.
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#4 Jul 13 2006 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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From where I'm sitting, it seems to have begun. Most bridges, all airports (I thought we only had 1, it turns out there were 3), a power station (maybe more) many homes, all major highways in Lebanon are currently being bombarded (I hear bombs dropping as I type). There is a naval and aerial blockade going on as well.

I was kinda happy to have forgotten what being on the receiving end of a bombardment was like... Too bad.

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lol, I wish. You can call it punch for punch when it's proportional.
Get on the phone with those terrorist guys and tell them to give up the soldiers. Then the Jews will leave you alone. Sucks sharing a house with an evil brother doesn't it?
#5 Jul 13 2006 at 9:30 PM Rating: Good
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I really dont see how Isreal is justified. Yes they are often threatened and everybody hates them, but this instance they have completely taken it too far.

WWIII is just around the bend.


They weren't justified? Somone fired missiles at them so they are firing them back. Theres a good ammount of justification in what they are doing.
#6 Jul 13 2006 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
Good to hear your friend wasn't hurt Debalic, but he should know that it's risky to be taking pictures at the border between 2 countries at war (we're still in a state of war with Israel, even though the Lebanese army was not mounting any military action, you could call it a passive war)

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Get on the phone with those terrorist guys and tell them to give up the soldiers. Then the Jews will leave you alone. Sucks sharing a house with an evil brother doesn't it?


Jews? No problem with jewish people man, we're at war with a country, not a religion. And frankly it sucks more having 2 warlike neighbors and no military power at all. As for me calling my "evil brother", hehe, yeah right, maybe if I said pretty please with sugar on top they'll fork them right over.

I'm not arguing politics, I don't know much about it (which should disqualify me from posting on the Asylum). Just stating a few facts from the warzone.

And Acorntaru, I don't think it's WWIII at all, just another crappy year for Lebanon. Since our major (only) income is from tourism, this is the lowest blow we could be dealt. With an already struggling economy, losing the summer tourist trade will, I'm afraid, be fatal.
#7 Jul 13 2006 at 9:38 PM Rating: Good
danieldakkak wrote:
Good to hear your friend wasn't hurt Debalic, but he should know that it's risky to be taking pictures at the border between 2 countries at war (we're still in a state of war with Israel, even though the Lebanese army was not mounting any military action, you could call it a passive war)

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Get on the phone with those terrorist guys and tell them to give up the soldiers. Then the Jews will leave you alone. Sucks sharing a house with an evil brother doesn't it?


Jews? No problem with jewish people man, we're at war with a country, not a religion. And frankly it sucks more having 2 warlike neighbors and no military power at all. As for me calling my "evil brother", hehe, yeah right, maybe if I said pretty please with sugar on top they'll fork them right over.

I'm not arguing politics, I don't know much about it (which should disqualify me from posting on the Asylum). Just stating a few facts from the warzone.

And Acorntaru, I don't think it's WWIII at all, just another crappy year for Lebanon. Since our major (only) income is from tourism, this is the lowest blow we could be dealt. With an already struggling economy, losing the summer tourist trade will, I'm afraid, be fatal.
All I can say is I hope your government sticks it out and doesn't let the terrorists destroy their democracy.
#8 Jul 13 2006 at 9:40 PM Rating: Decent
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No, the US will never be "thrust" into anything overseas. They will thrusts there own noses into it, with or without the invovled parties permission/request.
#9 Jul 13 2006 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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Right, they butted there noses into isreal(and many other places) and many people around the world are pissed at the US because of how they act. They are responces, not initial events. Anything they get involved in is their own fault or own choice.
#10 Jul 13 2006 at 10:03 PM Rating: Good
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No, you said something about the US being forced to join in if the war excalates to far. The US sees them selves as the police of the world. Obviously the extremist are going overboard, thats why they're called extremists, but they are justified with not likeing the US's policy on foreign nations. Also, of course the deaths aren't all one partis fault, I wouldn't even say they are majority the US fault, that falls on the terrorists.
#11 Jul 13 2006 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
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And by declaring war on an idea instead of a group of people/country, they force themselves to get involved wherever that act/idea shows up.
#12 Jul 13 2006 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
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I am being rational but I'm not being fair. The US does act close to the way it should, it has just been shortening the leash on the rest of the world in the last handful of years due to fear.

Edited, Jul 13th 2006 at 11:14pm EDT by Darkuwa
#13 Jul 14 2006 at 1:31 AM Rating: Good
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Just waiting to see if Joph has any response to this. He is usually quite rational and fair. And in bed by 9 pm.


Wait until morning, after his bowl of Lucky Charms. And a slice of Peruvian Pot Pie.
#14 Jul 14 2006 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
This thread is great because I like my geo-political discussion with a side of down syndrome.
#15REDACTED, Posted: Jul 14 2006 at 3:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Terrorists are cool I hope they **** all over your horrible little country!
#16 Jul 14 2006 at 4:33 AM Rating: Decent
danieldakkak wrote:
lol, I wish. You can call it punch for punch when it's proportional.


And clearly it isn't. Blaming the Lebanese government for not controlling Hezbullah is a joke. It's the same as when they ask Fatah to disarm the Palestinian militias. It's physically imposible for them to do so. If they asked Syria and Iran, on the other hand... But then again those countries are barely on speaking terms with Israel. It's pretty ****** up. I don't see how bombing Beirut International Airport can help in any way.

I understand that Israel has been "attacked", and Hezbullah's excursion into its territories to capturee military personel is unjustifiable. Especially coming a few days after Hamas took a soldier as well, it looks coordinated. And then you add the few rockets attack from Gaza, and some shells into Haifa, it's not surprising the Israelis are getting nervous.

But this sort of response is compltetly disproportionate. And they are not helping their cause by killing all these innocent civilians.

And now they justify it all with this "war on terror" ********* War is terror.

We need a strong and united internationla community to deal with this, before it escalates too much. Everytime these things happen, it breeds more radicalised soldiers for the fundemantalists, and reiforces the view point of some rascist Israelis.

They are all to blame in this conflict. Excpet the civilians that keep getting in the way of these bombs.
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#17 Jul 14 2006 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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#18 Jul 14 2006 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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#19 Jul 14 2006 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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#20 Jul 14 2006 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Terrorists are cool I hope they sh*t all over your horrible little country!


And when they do, you'll be there in the UK to wipe it off us =P
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#21 Jul 14 2006 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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I understand that Israel has been "attacked", and Hezbullah's excursion into its territories to capturee military personel is unjustifiable. Especially coming a few days after Hamas took a soldier as well, it looks coordinated. And then you add the few rockets attack from Gaza, and some shells into Haifa, it's not surprising the Israelis are getting nervous.

But this sort of response is compltetly disproportionate. And they are not helping their cause by killing all these innocent civilians.

And now they justify it all with this "war on terror" bullsh*t. War is terror.



Israel backed out of lands it occupied under the UN resolution that Lebanon would put a stop to Hezbollah. They never did. Hezbollah is an organization bent on the destruction of Israel and, is funded by Iran. Hezbollah also occupies up to 30% of the legislature in Lebanon. Simply harboring these terrorists and allowing them to bomb Israel is enough grounds for attack.
#22 Jul 14 2006 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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Hezbollah is an organization bent on the destruction of Israel and, is funded by Iran. Hezbollah also occupies up to 30% of the legislature in Lebanon. Simply harboring these terrorists and allowing them to bomb Israel is enough grounds for dropping missiles on women & children who live nearby.
That'll learn 'em.

Israel are entitled to attack their aggressors like anyone else. Too bad it's becoming a cliché, but the word 'proportionality' should apply.



Hizbollah nutters (happy to see them rot in hell) have moved into southern Beirut. Correct me if I'm wrong danieldakkak, but ISTR that's not an affluent neighboUrhood. The locals aren't in a position to buy a new condo on the nice part of time if shady men move in down the street. And Israel's indiscriminately bombing the living f'uck out of 'em.

Justification? "Sure we killed 35 kiddies, but the baddy next door has a bruise on his leg!" Smiley: oyvey

Israel couldn't stir the hornet's nest more if it tried. For all of us Smiley: mad
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#23 Jul 14 2006 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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Hezbollah is an organization bent on the destruction of Israel and, is funded by Iran. Hezbollah also occupies up to 30% of the legislature in Lebanon. Simply harboring these terrorists and allowing them to bomb Israel is enough grounds for dropping missiles on women & children who live nearby.
That'll learn 'em.

Israel are entitled to attack their aggressors like anyone else. Too bad it's becoming a cliché, but the word 'proportionality' should apply.



Hizbollah nutters (happy to see them rot in hell) have moved into southern Beirut. Correct me if I'm wrong danieldakkak, but ISTR that's not an affluent neighboUrhood. The locals aren't in a position to buy a new condo on the nice part of time if shady men move in down the street. And Israel's indiscriminately bombing the living f'uck out of 'em.

Justification? "Sure we killed 35 kiddies, but the baddy next door has a bruise on his leg!" Smiley: oyvey

Israel couldn't stir the hornet's nest more if it tried. For all of us Smiley: mad

Sorry for the lack of updates, frequent power failures are preventing me from seeing much of the news and accessing the internet.

Right now I'm pretty incensed at the news being reported on BBC... One-sided pro-Israeli misinformation is an understatement. Other channels aren't better. Everyone is biased, one way or another. I long to see some fair news reporting...

Nobby, you know more about the news than I do at this point. Very little news reaches me at this point. And what local news I manage to get seems the same, more and more raids all over the country. I think I'll take out my BB gun, provide some additional AA fire... Sheesh!

As for the affluent neighborhood, yeah right. Not only is it impossible for most people to move for financial reasons, but moving in general is no longer possible. It would take a very stupid man to take his family out in the streets when the bombs are dropping, even if by some sort of voodoo he managed to find roads that aren't gutted. There are ******* craters in the middle of the ******* streets in residential areas!

Everyone I know in the most affected regions is living in shelters (every building has one, ironically enough).
#24 Jul 14 2006 at 6:23 PM Rating: Decent
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War is what Israel does best, and we’re about to get a full bloody plate of it.

Well, not we good Americans — not directly, anyway. Not until some pissed-off jihadists decide to answer our bankrolling of this present round of aggression with God knows what. Because, like it or not, every Israeli missile that hits residential Beirut (and elsewhere) comes courtesy of our collective pocket. Might as well have “Howdy From The USA!” painted on each shell. When Israel attacks, we attack, a reality that a lot of Americans either ignore, dismiss, or in some corners, celebrate. …


Thought this seemed applicable to this thread......
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#25 Jul 14 2006 at 10:26 PM Rating: Decent
Honestly, I think both sides are acting like children. Syria/Hezbollah knew how Israel would react, were counting on it, and still attacked an Israeli check-point, killing several soldiers and capturing two. With all that was going on in Gaza, they knew that this would prevoke a massive over-reaction, and, dispite their claims that they're fighting Israel to help their Shi'ite brothers, have callously launched attacks from civilian neighborhoods, ensuring that the Israeli response will kill innocents. Then they claim that further attacks are in vengance for these deaths. Really, all their interested is using this strife to gain more power and influence.

As for Israel, they're falling for it each and every time. While they frequently win each and every individual battle, they're loosing the war because they either don't care or don't realize what kind of damage they're doing to their own image. Every time they strike at civilian infrastructure and make life harder on the poor SOB's who aren't involved, they make an enemy. Essentially, every civilian they kill creates at least two more people willing to fight them. This cycle will probably continue in each and every generation, until they either manage to kill each other off, or a MLK or Ghandi figure rises above the endless violence and breaks the cycle. Hell, look at the massive ************ that is the balkans. That has been going for centuries!

Unfortunately, the people who get screwed the most are the ones caught in the middle. Right now, Lebanon reminds me of Poland in 1939, caught between two powers who would love to fight each other, but in this case they're just using you as a "convienient" battlefield so that they don't have to deal with the mess afterwards. Personally, you've had enough problems, and sometimes I wonder if it would be just easier if both Israel and Syria would bomb each other into the stone-age, and leave you out of it for once. You have my sympathies. (now if I could just get Shrubya to listen to me and cut off both of them until they grow up.)
#26 Jul 14 2006 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
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War is what Israel does best, and we’re about to get a full bloody plate of it.

Well, not we good Americans — not directly, anyway. Not until some pissed-off jihadists decide to answer our bankrolling of this present round of aggression with God knows what. Because, like it or not, every Israeli missile that hits residential Beirut (and elsewhere) comes courtesy of our collective pocket. Might as well have “Howdy From The USA!” painted on each shell. When Israel attacks, we attack, a reality that a lot of Americans either ignore, dismiss, or in some corners, celebrate. …


Thought this seemed applicable to this thread......



Ok. But where do you think the rockets and missiles that Hezbollah are firing are coming from? Aliens? Other nations are supporting them as well (Iran in this particular case).

The difference is that the last time I checked, Israel is a legitimate sovereign state. Hezbollah is a militant terrorist group, operating out of a state with an (in theory) separate government, under UN resolution to disarm, being supplied by Iran. Are you actually trying to suggest that supplying weapons and supplies to a legitmate sovereign state is even vaguely similar to supplying weapons to a terrorist group? And one that's under UN resolution to disarm?


Cause that seems a bit of a stretch to me...
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