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#1 Jul 12 2006 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
Finally, Debalic will get the scientific credit he deserves...

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Scientists are to investigate a hallucinogenic chemical in "magic mushrooms" as a possible new treatment for depression, anxiety and drug dependence.

The move follows an unusual study which showed that the compound, psilocybin, can prompt long lasting positive changes in mood and behaviour.

Researchers also found that people who took the chemical experienced genuine mystical experiences, as defined by psychologists.


Happy now?
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#2 Jul 12 2006 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:
Happy now?


I'm not on mushrooms right now. Smiley: lol

I slay me!
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#4 Jul 12 2006 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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MDMA was 100% legal in the US until the early '80s. It just worked a little better than expected. While you're getting happy, you're overworking the glands that help you deal with stress and maintain balance.

Burnt-out ekids are pitiful.
#5 Jul 12 2006 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I haven't ever taken shrooms. As a teen I'd done acid a few times, but the last time I was also on Prozac and that turned into a kind of bad trip. I've been off hallucinogens ever since. My friends here do shrooms and it seems all right, but I've always had a rather fragile mental/emotional state so I'll just stick to pot.
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#6 Jul 12 2006 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:
Finally, Debalic will get the scientific credit he deserves...

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Scientists are to investigate a hallucinogenic chemical in "magic mushrooms" as a possible new treatment for depression, anxiety and drug dependence.

The move follows an unusual study which showed that the compound, psilocybin, can prompt long lasting positive changes in mood and behaviour.

Researchers also found that people who took the chemical experienced genuine mystical experiences, as defined by psychologists.


Happy now?


If you define getting facinated with how well a Maxim magazine's ads were put together, along with a terrifying experience with a swarm of moths as a "mystical experience" then I would concur with that assessment.

Once was enough for me, thanks.
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#7 Jul 12 2006 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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My favorite story about shrooms involves a boyfriend I had way back in the day. He took too many mushrooms at Burning Man, of all places, and proceeded to take a crap in his tent, where everyone had set up their sleeping bags in readiness for drunken passouts. Not only that, he felt the need to label his abode with his monogram.

In ****.




Yep, earned him a nickname: they called him "Shitty T". Smiley: laugh Never tried shrooms again.
#8 Jul 12 2006 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
The test subjects were selected for low odds of problems, as I recall.

Also, as I recall, several said they had the most significant mystical experience of their lives while under the influence. (Average age was in the late 30's or early 40's IIRC so they weren't kids).

I still won't touch any of it. Never even been drunk. Plan to die that way. I am curious, however, so I get a kick out of the stories.
#9 Jul 12 2006 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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yossarian wrote:
Never even been drunk. Plan to die that way.


I've never been drunk either.





Although I've been completely shitfaced more than a few times.
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#10 Jul 12 2006 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
yossarian wrote:
Never even been drunk. Plan to die that way.


I plan to die drunk, too.

Most mystical experience I ever had on 'shrooms was being inspired to shave of my eyebrows while wathcing The Wall. My friend woer a bowl of macaroni and cheese as a hat that day for the majority of the trip.

For mystical out-o-body time travel type stuff though, huffing gas is like swimming through God.
#11 Jul 12 2006 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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yossarian wrote:

I still won't touch any of it. Never even been drunk. Plan to die that way. I am curious, however, so I get a kick out of the stories.


As a teenager in Alateen, it was hammered home to me pretty hard that, as the child and grandchild of alcoholics, I was at a substantially increased risk for becoming an alcoholic or drug addict myself, so I've always been VERY cautious about the way I expose myself to booze and drugs. At the age of (almost) 32, I can count on one hand the number of times I've been inebriated beyond the "hmm, the bed seems to be floating a little when I lie down" stage of tipsiness. I once did two hits off a joint, wasn't impressed, and decided I could continue my existence quite happily without ever trying pot again (though my husband seems to think we should get high before the Def Leppard concert we're going to in August--and I think he's only half joking.) Beyond that, I've done nada in the recreational drugs department.

What they don't warn you about in Alateen or ACA is the prescription stuff. Oi! INSTANT addiction, I'm telling you. I got Dilaudid ONCE when I was in immense pain due to an attack of gallstones, and I swear to you if someone offered me another hit of that stuff, I'd take it without a second thought. In the course of about five seconds, I went from moaning and writhing in agony, curled in fetal position and BEGGING for relief, to sighing and smiling and never feeling better in my entire life. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, so it's probably a VERY good thing that Dilaudid is not easy to come by.



Edited, Jul 12th 2006 at 8:06pm EDT by Ambrya
#12 Jul 12 2006 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Barkingturtle wrote:

For mystical out-o-body time travel type stuff though, huffing gas is like swimming through God.


Considering my husband's brother died doing inhalants, I feel perfectly justified calling anyone who huffs a F'UCKING IDIOT.

#13 Jul 12 2006 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
Ambrya wrote:
Barkingturtle wrote:

For mystical out-o-body time travel type stuff though, huffing gas is like swimming through God.


Considering my husband's brother died doing inhalants, I feel perfectly justified calling anyone who huffs a F'UCKING IDIOT.



Did he get off?


Not in time, apparently.
#14 Jul 13 2006 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:

What they don't warn you about in Alateen or ACA is the prescription stuff. Oi! INSTANT addiction, I'm telling you. I got Dilaudid ONCE when I was in immense pain due to an attack of gallstones, and I swear to you if someone offered me another hit of that stuff, I'd take it without a second thought. In the course of about five seconds, I went from moaning and writhing in agony, curled in fetal position and BEGGING for relief, to sighing and smiling and never feeling better in my entire life. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, so it's probably a VERY good thing that Dilaudid is not easy to come by.



Edited, Jul 12th 2006 at 8:06pm EDT by Ambrya


Interesting you should mention this. Prescription drug addicts are starting to become more and more of a problem. I've had several relatives get hooked on them, particularly Oxycotin. Oxy is apparently a synthetic heroin, more or less.

I was also flipping through the channels and came across a bit of a documentary on some gal who was hooked through the nose on prescription drugs. To make it worse, her father is slowly dying of some condition or another, and she lives with her parents. So she has a pretty much unlimited supply to sport her habit. Of course her folks know about it, but they won't kick her out because they're afraid of her becomming a hooker or something.

I suppose if you look at the big picture, the US is a nation that hands out prescriptions like candy. It's not suprising that a growing population is getting addicted to the pretty pills that are getting handed about.
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#15 Jul 13 2006 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Due to my deteriorating back, I could (and on occasion have been sorely tempted to) stock up on codeine and cyclobenzaprine. Take those together with a beer and you're smooth sailing for the rest of the night!
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#16 Jul 13 2006 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
Due to my deteriorating back, I could (and on occasion have been sorely tempted to) stock up on codeine and cyclobenzaprine. Take those together with a beer and you're smooth sailing for the rest of the night!
A buddy of mine used to have a big thing for pill popping. He had a hook up where you would get bottles of random **** throughout the week and his favorite was always the codeine with a Seagrams chaser. I think he died a year ago.

I recently started up on Ambien not too long ago. I'm a big enough dude to where it doesn't put me down right away and I can really see how people get hooked on these. Thirty minutes after I take it and I'm pretty wasted.
#17 Jul 13 2006 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
A buddy of mine used to have a big thing for pill popping. He had a hook up where you would get bottles of random sh*t throughout the week and his favorite was always the codeine with a Seagrams chaser. I think he died a year ago.

I recently started up on Ambien not too long ago. I'm a big enough dude to where it doesn't put me down right away and I can really see how people get hooked on these. Thirty minutes after I take it and I'm pretty wasted.

It's only an occasional thing, and if I get *too* tempted, or just bored of it, it's easy enough to trade the remainders for a bag of greenery.
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#18 Jul 13 2006 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
A buddy of mine used to have a big thing for pill popping. He had a hook up where you would get bottles of random sh*t throughout the week and his favorite was always the codeine with a Seagrams chaser. I think he died a year ago.

I recently started up on Ambien not too long ago. I'm a big enough dude to where it doesn't put me down right away and I can really see how people get hooked on these. Thirty minutes after I take it and I'm pretty wasted.

It's only an occasional thing, and if I get *too* tempted, or just bored of it, it's easy enough to trade the remainders for a bag of greenery.
That's one of the best parts about drugs, you can still rely on the barter system. I'll give you this VCR, 2 tickets to Pirates of the Carribean, a carton of Camels, and my Babe Ruth rookie card for that ounce of weed and a quarter sheet of Jesus Christ!
#19 Jul 13 2006 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
That's one of the best parts about drugs, you can still rely on the barter system. I'll give you this VCR, 2 tickets to Pirates of the Carribean, a carton of Camels, and my Babe Ruth rookie card for that ounce of weed and a quarter sheet of Jesus Christ!

Damn, those drugs must be *very* good! Smiley: laugh
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#20 Jul 13 2006 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Deb, if you are prescribed painkiller for a permanent back problem, move to Oregon.

It's not too hard to get your 'green card' for back issues, and it's a helluva lot more healthy than regular trips to the pharmacy. Growing your painkiller legally is a wonderful thing.
#21 Jul 13 2006 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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WTF is a mystical experience as defined by psychologists (and NOT defined by one of you twats going on about macaroni and cheese)?
#22 Jul 13 2006 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
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WTF is a mystical experience as defined by psychologists (and NOT defined by one of you twats going on about macaroni and cheese)?

Generally an otherworldly or dimensonal experience. Talking to God (or a god), seeing people as luminescent bodies, or life-threads that tie all people and their fates together could all be examples. Personally, I once tripped hard and integrated myself into a Stephen King story, poking holes in the fabric of reality between the correlating points.
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#23 Jul 13 2006 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Life magazine May 13 1957 wrote:
We were never more awake, and the visions came whether our eyes were opened or closed. /../

They were vivid in color, always harmonious. They began with art motifs, angular such as might decorate carpets or textiles or wallpaper or the drawing board of an architect. Then they evolved into palaces with courts, arcades, gardens-resplendent palaces all laid over with semiprecious stones. Then I saw a mythological beast drawing a regal chariot. Later it was as if the walls of our house had dissolved, and my spirit had flown forth, and I was suspended in mid-air viewing landscapes of mountains, with camel caravans advancing slowly across the slopes, the mountains rising tier above tier to the very heavens. /../

The visions were not blurred or uncertain. They wre sharply focused, the lines and colors being so sharp that they seemed more real to me than anything I had ever seen with my own eyes. I felt that I was now seeing plain, whereas ordinary vision gives us an imperfect view; I was seeing the archetypes, the Platonic ideas, that underlie the imperfect images of everyday life. /../ ,for the effect of the mushrooms is to bring about a fission of the spirit, a split in the person, a kind of schizophrenia, with the rational side continuing to reason and to observe the sensations that the other side is enjoying. /../

Meanwhile, the Senora and her daughter were not idle. /../ At one point, while the daughter sang, the Senora stood up in the darkness where there was an open space in our room and began a rythmic dance with clapping or slapping. We do not know exactly how she accomplished her effect. The claps or slaps were always resonant and true with pitch, rhythm and complexity. One thing is certain: this mysterious percussive utterance was ventriloquistic, each slap coming from an unpredictable direction and distance, now close to our ears, now distant, above, below, here and yonder, like Hamlet's ghost hic et ubique. We were amazed and spellbound Allan and I.

There we lay on our mat, scribbling notes in the dark and exchanging whispered comments, our bodies inert and heavy as lead, while our senses were floating free in space, feeling the breezes of the outdoors, surveying vast landscapes or exploring the recesses of gardens of eneffable beauty. And all the while we were listening to the daughter's chanting and to the unearthly claps and whacks, delicately controlled, of the invisible creatures darting around us.


This written by the VP of J.P. Morgan & Co. R. Gordon Wasson about his experience in a remote village of Mexico where (at the time) the old customs were still in practice. The night after this one, his wife and daughter came to the ceremony and partook of the mushrooms also. Six pairs of Psilocybe mexicana each.


#24 Jul 13 2006 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Debalic wrote:
Well, I haven't ever taken shrooms. As a teen I'd done acid a few times, but the last time I was also on Prozac and that turned into a kind of bad trip. I've been off hallucinogens ever since.


Acid wasn't a fun trip. The come down off of Acid is even worse. This is why after trying it once, I won't try it again. Shrooms are much, much better. The trip itself isn't so "uppity" and you don't get "cracked out". Mushy's are actually one of my favorites.

#25 Jul 13 2006 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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[quote=Life magazine May 13 1957]We were never more awake, and the visions came whether our eyes were opened or closed... /../



If you could guarantee me a trip like that without fear of addiction or criminal prosecution (and be "without fear" I mean legal not "let's do it in my basement, man, so the Man don't find us, man") I would try it. Until then I will continue to stick to alcohol and hangovers.
#26 Jul 13 2006 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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GitSlayer wrote:
Mossholder wrote:
[quote=Life magazine May 13 1957]We were never more awake, and the visions came whether our eyes were opened or closed... /../



If you could guarantee me a trip like that without fear of addiction or criminal prosecution (and be "without fear" I mean legal not "let's do it in my basement, man, so the Man don't find us, man") I would try it. Until then I will continue to stick to alcohol and hangovers.


Pooooosay!



Edited, Jul 13th 2006 at 6:24pm EDT by fenderputy
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