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Radiocarbon dating, metallurgical analysis of artifacts, isotope or other chemical analyses of materials or residues are all under the heading of "archaeometry". All of these techniques are used to reconstruct what happened at a particular location and are integral to forensic investigations of crime scenes. Jones is an expert in this field and that makes him qualified to study the samples on the steel at the wtc in order to come to an understanding of what happened.

I said that Jones was submiting evidence for others to verify his results. It's simply a matter of time. It's not up to him to make other people confirm his results, other experts have to take the initiative to dedicate thier time to such a project.

My point that you where responding to, however, was a different point. My point was that such examinations should have been done right away, by FEMA, NIST, and whoever else is responsible for such investigations.

With all due respect, I find your statements to be very disconcerting. There are numerous victems of 9/11 who have had thier family members killed, many of whom witnessed the events directly and survived, who believe that the government was complicit. Cognative dissonance is the greatest weapon that our government can use against us in order to subvert public dissent and keep us in the dark as to what's going on. It doesn't make any sense that victems wouldn't be interested in evidence of who attacked them unless they truly didn't want to know. And that, in my opinion, is a very dangerous position to be in.

If it's true that the government performed the 9/11 attacks, then it should be obvious why such knowledge is relevant beyond helping people stay in the comfort of self delusion. It's that very state of fear and ignorance that allows our government to do what they're doing unchecked. We have the power to hold our government officials accountable and we have the civic duty to do so.


“In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, Brave, Hated, and Scorned. When his cause succeeds however,the timid join him, For then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.”
- Mark Twain

"This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men, who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them, cannot be enslaved."
- Benjamin Franklin

Let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.
- Thomas Jefferson

"Fear can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the facts ".
- Thomas Jefferson

"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny"
- Thomas Jefferson

"It is the fist responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
- Benjamin Franklin


The greatest fight that is being fought is that of psychological warfare. Pentagon war planners have admited that 90% of thier battle plans are psychological rather than physical. Edward Bernaise is a poineer in using psychological techniques against mass populations. His clientell include many major news orginizations, multiple presidents, the US army, and many different corperations.

Here's a quote from Bernaise' book "Propaganda"

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the orginized habbits and opinions of the masses is an essential element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of soiciety constitute an invisible government, which is the true ruling power of our government. We are governed, our minds molded, our tasts formed, our ideas sugested largely by men we have never heard of."
Here you can find some inside information on how the news is used to manipulate public opinion for political purposes.

This nonesense that we can't do anything to change what's going on, and the idea that everything the government says is true is conterproductive to preserving the interests of americans as a free people.

Edited, Jul 18th 2006 at 10:30am EDT by Dronadesh

Oh yeah? Well I spoke to jones and he said you are a doody head!

niobia.... dat choo?!

Ok Dronadesh, I'll respond to the rest of your post. And I'm interested to see what Jones and Fetzer have to say about their lies and exagerations of their 'scholars' credentials.




Listen, I linked to a man with a Chemistry PhD. You followed with a link to a Physicist that specializes in fusion. I don't care that Jones has "worked with chemicals before". Greenings specialty in life is the study of chemical reactions. He's dedicated his life to this study. Compared to Greening, Jones is an amateur in the subject. If you really want to combat Greenings paper, than please provide an expert that is QUALIFIED IN THE FIELD to counter him with. Find another man with a PhD in chemistry. Don't quote me a theologist. Don't quote me a philosopher. Don't quote me a physicist. I don't care if they've once worked with a chemical before. That doesn't make them experts in chemicals at the level Greening is. And as it stands, I'm going to believe what the RELEVENT experts say over the agenda pushing physicist under a 'jack of all trades' guise.




Hmmm... back to this again. I quote a paper written by the most relevent experts in the world when it comes to building collapses: structural engineers. The paper passed peer review. I also linked to at least 30 more structural engineers. You countered with a Physicist again. Man. You just don't get it, do you? When your car breaks down, do you bring it to your barber for repairs? When your pet is sick, do you take him to your dry cleaner for medication?
Do you understand the concept of experts in relevent fields? Why is it that I have zero problems finding RELEVENT experts whose qualifications are EASILY PROVEN in the various fields we're discussing? When chemistry comes into play, I quote the most relevent experts. A chemist. When building collapses come in to play, I quote over 30 of the most relevent experts, structural engineers. In both cases, you quote the same physicist and other irrelevent experts with (as best we can tell) made up qualifications. Doesn't that send some warning signals to you? Are you starting to consider the fact that you were maybe duped?

I have to go now, but I'll be back later to laugh at the rest of your post.

All that tells me is that this Bernaise person (love the sauce, by the way) can't spell either.

I have yet to see anything that passes as a real argument about this. Everything is a bunch of re-hashed logical nitpicking. Regardless of anything else; it must be denied based on popular sentiment and nothing more; no real counter-facts that disprove or discredit the conjecture, merely empty antagonistic knee-jerk exasperations.

Ditto