Professor Steven E. Jones was able to get ahold of a sample of a material found on the exterior of one of the steel beams of the WTC that was being held in a memorial of 9/11 (the only steel that wasn't immediately scrapped before it could be examined was sent to multiple memorial parks). He claims that within that sample are found the by-products of thermate, a compound of thermite and sulpher which is specifically used in demolitions to cut through steel support beams.
Steven E. Jones has taught graduate courses on Archaeometry, which is a branch of physics used in forensics to reconstruct crime scenes, so he's certainly an expert on the subject. He personally told me that he has documented the chain of custody of this evidence on thermate in the WTC and is in the process of publishing it. He intends to submit this evidence for further independent experimentation in order to confirm it's authenticity.
It's very curious that the steel beams where sent to scrap yards before they could be examined, espeically considering all the eyewitness testimony claiming that bombs had gone off and other corraborating evidence concerning the use of demolitions. The most accurate way to understand if explosives where used would be to examine the steel, and thus it's very odd that investegators where prevented from examining this steel, especially in light of Professor Jones' work.
Edited, Jul 9th 2006 at 6:43pm EDT by Dronadesh
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our friends at Wikipedia wrote:
The BYU physics department has issued a statement: "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review." The Fulton College of Engineering and Technology department has also added, "The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones." [5]
So, yeah. It's hardly a slam dunk.
BYU is where Professor Jones teaches, by the way.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I think you missed the next paragraph in that wikipedia article you referred to;
"In April 2006, BYU removed those statements from their website following a letter saying that Jones' paper was, indeed, peer reviewed. The letter, written by linguistics professor Richard McGinn to Alan Parkinson, Dean of the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology, also says that McGinn is entitled to file an ethics complaint with the American Society of Civil Engineers against Parkinson for continuing to run those statements. [6]"
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 1:25am EDT by Dronadesh
"In April 2006, BYU removed those statements from their website following a letter saying that Jones' paper was, indeed, peer reviewed. The letter, written by linguistics professor Richard McGinn to Alan Parkinson, Dean of the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology, also says that McGinn is entitled to file an ethics complaint with the American Society of Civil Engineers against Parkinson for continuing to run those statements. [6]"
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 1:25am EDT by Dronadesh
And that information isn't the half of it. There where pools of molten steel found in the rubble of world trade centers 1 and 2 as well as in WTC7. Such pools of molten steel can be explained through the theory that thermite was used, however you'd be hard pressed to expain this yellow hot material otherwise.
Link to source material showing these molten pools as well as some nice pictures of thermite coming out of the sides of the WTC.
Platned demolitions also explains the plumes of smoke ejected from the building during the collapse sometimes up to 30 floors below the collapsing portion of the building.
There are countless people who heard and experienced explosions.
And there's this excellent audio/video
footage where the explosions can be heard prior to the collapse of the building.
Link to source material showing these molten pools as well as some nice pictures of thermite coming out of the sides of the WTC.
Platned demolitions also explains the plumes of smoke ejected from the building during the collapse sometimes up to 30 floors below the collapsing portion of the building.
There are countless people who heard and experienced explosions.
And there's this excellent audio/video
footage where the explosions can be heard prior to the collapse of the building.
Dronadesh wrote:
I think you missed the next paragraph in that wikipedia article you referred to;
"In April 2006, BYU removed those statements from their website following a letter saying that Jones' paper was, indeed, peer reviewed. The letter, written by linguistics professor Richard McGinn to Alan Parkinson, Dean of the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology, also says that McGinn is entitled to file an ethics complaint with the American Society of Civil Engineers against Parkinson for continuing to run those statements. [6]"
"In April 2006, BYU removed those statements from their website following a letter saying that Jones' paper was, indeed, peer reviewed. The letter, written by linguistics professor Richard McGinn to Alan Parkinson, Dean of the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology, also says that McGinn is entitled to file an ethics complaint with the American Society of Civil Engineers against Parkinson for continuing to run those statements. [6]"
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D. Allan Firmage, Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, Brigham Young University[7] responded to an article from the Provo Daily Herald which detailed a presentation that Steven Jones had recently given and remarked that after reading reports from FEMA, the American Society of Civil Engineers and from several other professional engineering organizations, as well as the Steven Jones report, that, "I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable." Dr. Firmage also stated that, "Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing."[8]
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
=oD
Firmage's critisism of Jones' work is based solely on his personal (albeit profesional) opinion as he's failed to submit his arguments to peer review. He also doesn't refer to any specific points brought up in Steven Jones' work. There are many engineers who are critical of the methodology and conclusions givin in the FEMA and NIST reports. There are also engineers who support the NIST version, but regardless, neither NIST, FEMA, or any other civil engineer has explained the molten metal at ground zero, the pulverization of the concrete into dust and ejection of debris hundreds of feet away, the near free fall speed of the towers falling, the thermite footage (which they say is aluminum from the plane but that isn't possible because aluminum doesn't turn red/orange but remains silvery when molten), or the thermate residue found on the WTC steel.
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 4:30am EDT by Dronadesh
Firmage's critisism of Jones' work is based solely on his personal (albeit profesional) opinion as he's failed to submit his arguments to peer review. He also doesn't refer to any specific points brought up in Steven Jones' work. There are many engineers who are critical of the methodology and conclusions givin in the FEMA and NIST reports. There are also engineers who support the NIST version, but regardless, neither NIST, FEMA, or any other civil engineer has explained the molten metal at ground zero, the pulverization of the concrete into dust and ejection of debris hundreds of feet away, the near free fall speed of the towers falling, the thermite footage (which they say is aluminum from the plane but that isn't possible because aluminum doesn't turn red/orange but remains silvery when molten), or the thermate residue found on the WTC steel.
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 4:30am EDT by Dronadesh
I find it disturbing that people are willing to call a "scientific" paper purporting to detail how a structural building collapse occured "peer reviewed" when the peers in question were contributers to Research in Political Economy magazine, not an engineer amongst them.
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Dronadesh wrote:
I think you missed the next paragraph in that wikipedia article you referred to;
"In April 2006, BYU removed those statements from their website following a letter saying that Jones' paper was, indeed, peer reviewed. The letter, written by linguistics professor Richard McGinn to Alan Parkinson, Dean of the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology, also says that McGinn is entitled to file an ethics complaint with the American Society of Civil Engineers against Parkinson for continuing to run those statements. [6]"
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 1:25am EDT by Dronadesh
"In April 2006, BYU removed those statements from their website following a letter saying that Jones' paper was, indeed, peer reviewed. The letter, written by linguistics professor Richard McGinn to Alan Parkinson, Dean of the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology, also says that McGinn is entitled to file an ethics complaint with the American Society of Civil Engineers against Parkinson for continuing to run those statements. [6]"
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 1:25am EDT by Dronadesh
Why, no, I didn't miss it at all. Anyone will remove a statement when threatened with legal action. Did YOU miss the next paragraph where they went on to say that they still do not believe or support his theories? Or the one after that where a colleague called his behavior "very disturbing"?
Edit: Drat you Joph! I obviously didn't finish the thread before posting.
Jones' work has not been effectively peer reviewed. It just hasn't. He blustered and bullied the university into removing their statement; that's their bad. It proves nothing, however.
By the way, you'd better serve your... cause... by referring to him as a physicist, for reasons that should be obvious.
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 9:13am EDT by Samira
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Dronadesh wrote:
(which they say is aluminum from the plane but that isn't possible because aluminum doesn't turn red/orange but remains silvery when molten)
Edit: The picture doesn't specify if the 1300 is in Celcius or Fahrenheit. However, 1300C is equal to ~2370F which is still lower than the melting point of steel by a few hundred degrees. If the 1300 was in Fahrenheit, it is nearly 1200 degrees lower than the melting point of steel
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 11:41am EDT by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Bizzam!
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
I got a really cool Thermate coffee mug for Christmas one year. The cool part was that the cup was contained inside the top and it could also double as a soup container.
Man, that does sound like a sweet cup.
Jophiel wrote:
Suprised he hasn't linked to that goddamn Loose Change video that you see so much of in OOT.
He's done that before...
GO THE FUCK AWAY, dronadesh. Didn't you learn from your last time here, former scholar?
GO THE FUCK AWAY, dronadesh. Didn't you learn from your last time here, former scholar?
Metastophicleas wrote:
He's done that before...
GO THE FUCK AWAY, dronadesh. Didn't you learn from your last time here, former scholar?
GO THE FUCK AWAY, dronadesh. Didn't you learn from your last time here, former scholar?
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Professor Steven E. Jones was able to get ahold of a sample of a..
This thread would be 1000% cooler if it were about Steve Jones the Sex Pistols' guitarist, and how he became an archaeometrologist...
alas
Kelvyquayo wrote:
This thread would be 1000% cooler if it were about Steve Jones the Sex Pistols' guitarist, and how he became an archaeometrologist...
alas
Agreed.
Metastophicleas wrote:
He's done that before...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Dronadesh wrote:
(which they say is aluminum from the plane but that isn't possible because aluminum doesn't turn red/orange but remains silvery when molten)
Edit: The picture doesn't specify if the 1300 is in Celcius or Fahrenheit. However, 1300C is equal to ~2370F which is still lower than the melting point of steel by a few hundred degrees. If the 1300 was in Fahrenheit, it is nearly 1200 degrees lower than the melting point of steel
Edited, Jul 10th 2006 at 11:41am EDT by Jophiel
Sure it does;
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The ingot is placed in the gas fired crucible (the silicon carbide vats where the aluminum alloy is melted) which is heated to approximately 1300 degrees F.
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